Would you want to see a serious Dem challenger to Obama in '12

[EastMed]

It's not just them, though they're sort of the tip of the iceberg. I just get tired of going all sorts of places and seeing that crap, from Democrats as well as Republican, gay as well as straight, young as well as old.

I about punched a guy at a gay bar one night when he told his BF he wasn't going to go dance unless those "gooks" got off the floor.

Though I was a bit befuddled recently in a college town when I heard someone talking about Obama ask loudly, "What has that nigger done for me?"... and I turned to see a (very fine-looking) black college student.


Anyway...



I'd be more interested in seeing a change of running mate than a challenge.

Hell, for fun they could keep Obama, and hold one big primary for running mate!



No -- too much of a circus. Though I do think the party ought to have more say.

I really think Mr Obama will be defeated, regardless of running mate.

 

[Kulindahr]

I really think Mr Obama will be defeated, regardless of running mate.

Depends on what the ReligioPublicans force on the GOP. Some of the possibilities have about as much electability as a banana peel on a stairway.

 

[MisterMajestic]

The only way any of my posts can be seen as racist is by someone who dearly loves to find it everywhere.

You introduce race into threads where it has no relevance... as you did here, with your false claim, that followed another false claim.

And you show about as much regard for the Code of Conduct as you do for truth -- very, very little.

You broke the code of Conduct when you called me a Racist in this thread......2 Jubers in this thread made the comment "Black Voters might cry racism" and I never accused them of being racist..That is their OPINION on the issue....It certainly didnt hurt my feelings as a Black person...

I say " the MAJORITY of White Americans continue to discuss getting rid of Obama" and Your ignorant Ass claim I'm racist for saying it....You're IGNORANT..

And I will continue to give my Opinions and related factual information into any thread in any forum that I see fit....There isnt a Damn thing you can do about it...I simply do not like having any exchange with you and never have...We do not like each others postings and I make it a point to ignore yours every time I see your User-name...It is Soooooooo easy to do...

 

[Kulindahr]

^ Why'd you delete your post?

I wanted to ask if you actually knew A. S.

 

[Kulindahr]

I realized I'd made a mistake, Kulindahr.

Truthfully, though, MisterMajestic is probably right that most White Americans want to ditch Obama, but he's wrong about the reason for it.

Most of us consider Obama an Adlai Stevenson type: intelligent to a fault, a college professor-type, with polished diction skills—who, unfortunately, doesn't belong in politics. Those two were two peas in a pod.

Yet he makes a mistake, too: he regularly, blatantly insinuates that because people are white, they're part of that -- and there implies that they're racist.

Most of the people I know want Obama to succeed, even out here in redneck land. It's not because they're Democrats, or because they're black, but because they know that we need some things fixed, and fixed now, and since FDR people look to the president for that. Many of them are glad the Republicans have the House, but they expect that they'll all work together.

Sure, there's the demented division who'd rather see the country descend in the Dark Ages than Obama accomplish a darned thing. But not many of those care he's black -- they care that he has a funny-sounding name, and that he's a "socialist", but it really is the idiot few who care about his skin color.

 

[Kulindahr]

Adlai manned up during the Cuba Missile Crisis

i will always think of him the way he was in the UN during that time

funny how one sound bite can change a man (in my mind)

Now you've got me wondering. I suppose I'll have to dig out a biography and find out who the guy was -- to me, it was just a name. If you'd asked me to guess when he was, I would have ventured back with FDR.

 

[palemale]

Many of our current political problems derive from the sixties. Self-actualization and excessive naval gazing morphed into the "me generation" and a sense of selfishness and entitlement that has put the final nail in the coffin of shared sacrifice in hard times. Of course, the main beneficiaries are the very wealthy. Income inequality is higher than it has been since the twenties. The rich don't want to give an inch on taxes, but think the middle and working class should give up their pensions, wait longer to collect social security, let public schools deteriorate, have no right to affordable health care. The corporations should have the unfettered and unregulated right to screw consumers and workers, connected corporations should get no-bid contracts from the government, but workers shouldn't have the basic right to form and join a union. The government should march across the globe to make it safe for American corporations to exploit as many people as possible, and pay the poor and working class to fight the wars so that the children of the wealthy don't have to do it.

Face it, we live in a grotesque country right now and our political system is completely deformed by corporate money and greed.

 

[Kulindahr]

Many of our current political problems derive from the sixties. Self-actualization and excessive naval gazing morphed into the "me generation" and a sense of selfishness and entitlement that has put the final nail in the coffin of shared sacrifice in hard times. Of course, the main beneficiaries are the very wealthy. Income inequality is higher than it has been since the twenties. The rich don't want to give an inch on taxes, but think the middle and working class should give up their pensions, wait longer to collect social security, let public schools deteriorate, have no right to affordable health care. The corporations should have the unfettered and unregulated right to screw consumers and workers, connected corporations should get no-bid contracts from the government, but workers shouldn't have the basic right to form and join a union. The government should march across the globe to make it safe for American corporations to exploit as many people as possible, and pay the poor and working class to fight the wars so that the children of the wealthy don't have to do it.

Face it, we live in a grotesque country right now and our political system is completely deformed by corporate money and greed.

Haven't these people ever read Machiavelli?

You can't build a Republic on poverty. Even if your interest is only in your own ease and wealth, you're better off if the citizens live in comfort and without need.

It would be in the interest of the truly wealthy, those with fortunes upwards of $100,000,000, to hand half their wealth to the government to improve infrastructure, and throw the leftover at the debt. Their lifestyles wouldn't suffer, but the rest of the country would certainly be happier and less irritating.

 

[Kulindahr]

I remember reading somewhere that the children spawned during the 80s scored 40% lower on the empathy scale.

It all fits.

That would be when the weirdo liberal types starting off with this notion that "sharing" meant a kid could walk off with another kid's toy and there were to be no complaints.

 

[Kulindahr]

"Poverty" is a relative term

Chicago, Il USA

Waycross, Ga USA

Paris, France

Port-Au-Prince, Haiti

Poverty is different in each of the above

Nice, but irrelevant. Chicago has its definition of poverty, and indeed the U.S. as an entity has a definition of poverty. Functionally, poverty is when people are so much more deprived of what the society can provide than are the people on top that envy verges on rage.

Unless Ambrocious is right and the plutocrats are really trying to achieve some mass die-off, the path of impoverishing the masses can't be beneficial to anyone -- especially in a world where there's honest-to-God competition.

 

[frankfrank]

Sure, there's the demented division who'd rather see the country descend in the Dark Ages than Obama accomplish a darned thing.

Unfortunately, around **300** of them will be sitting in the two chambers of the U. S. Congress this coming January.

 

[Kulindahr]

By MARK PENN | 11/15/10 10:29 PM EST Updated: 11/16/10 10:58 AM EST

The midterms not only dealt a big shock to Democrats but also sent a message to President Barack Obama. According to the new POLITICO Power and the People poll, only 26 percent of the public believes he will be reelected as president in 2012.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45136.html#ixzz15TQaGGn7

The disconnect described there is a historical one, the gap between the capital and the provinces, the elite and the people. I suppose one benefit of democracy is that the 'emperor' is not entirely insulated.

He needs a way to turn Republican obstructionism against them.

 

[Kulindahr]

One thing I think they might accomplish is tax breaks for green energy.

The Republicans like tax breaks, and the Dems like green, so..

They should get in tax breaks for any energy that replaces imported oil in under three years. Measure that from breaking ground; bureaucracy can be a schedule killer.

 

[herewego]

Obama will not get the money he raised in 2008, in 2012. Democrats are sick to death of him. Every politician he has stumped for, has lost. He is a lame duck already.

He will not have a record to run on. What's he doing out there now? Praising Reagan! I mean, Jesus Christ, the idiot that got us into this mess with the ridiculous Reaganomics crap, Democrats are now touting as a Saint.

Obama will be running on an economy in the shitter. He will ultimately give into the tax cuts -- mark my words, thus, extending the economic depression way past 2012. The debt is going to be sky high. The Right has so much to run on thanks to him.

The only thing Obama has going for him is if the other side, the Republicans, put up somebody insane. 2012 will be the "Anyone But Obama" campaign. The country has had enough of him, and the majority of citizens polled just two weeks ago, shows that they do not believe he deserves a second term. His Presidency has been a disaster.

The Right will turn up in droves to get rid of the "Muslim, Marxist, Socialism, Fascist, Black Panther, Racist, Gay, Terrorist-loving, Stalin, Mao, Hitler" out of office. The same can't be said for Democrats. There is not going to be as much enthusiasm on their side. Obama already lost Independents.

The only other thing he could do is put Hillary on the ticket. Other than that, he's screwed, and America is screwed.

Please god, let the Right run someone like Palin!

 

[NineOfClubs]

Obama will not get the money he raised in 2008, in 2012. Democrats are sick to death of him. Every politician he has stumped for, has lost. He is a lame duck already.

He will not have a record to run on. What's he doing out there now? Praising Reagan! I mean, Jesus Christ, the idiot that got us into this mess with the ridiculous Reaganomics crap, Democrats are now touting as a Saint.

Obama will be running on an economy in the shitter. He will ultimately give into the tax cuts -- mark my words, thus, extending the economic depression way past 2012. The debt is going to be sky high. The Right has so much to run on thanks to him.

The only thing Obama has going for him is if the other side, the Republicans, put up somebody insane. 2012 will be the "Anyone But Obama" campaign. The country has had enough of him, and the majority of citizens polled just two weeks ago, shows that they do not believe he deserves a second term. His Presidency has been a disaster.

The Right will turn up in droves to get rid of the "Muslim, Marxist, Socialism, Fascist, Black Panther, Racist, Gay, Terrorist-loving, Stalin, Mao, Hitler" out of office. The same can't be said for Democrats. There is not going to be as much enthusiasm on their side. Obama already lost Independents.

The only other thing he could do is put Hillary on the ticket. Other than that, he's screwed, and America is screwed.

Please god, let the Right run someone like Palin!

Unless HUGE changes occur, this is how it will play out.

The current President doesn't stand a chance.

Even Palin might beat him in 2012...

 

[mbamike]

The Republicans created this mess we are in. Voting for any other party besides the Democratic Party is ludicrous.

Obama is at least trying to solve problems which is more than I can say about "W"!

 

[Kulindahr]

This is a scary idea. Not only is she stupid, but she's a quitter who has little political experience. (another rookie)

If Palin's nominated, I'll have to—once again—go to the polls just to keep a crazy bitch out of office.

I Palin gets the Republican nomination, my bet is she doesn't live to election night. She is too scary, and there are too many angry people.