X-Men's top 3 most powerful women

[willsboy84]

Phoenix/Jean definitely wins in terms of raw power, but her powers being psionic, means she kinda has to be able to focus to use them effectively. is she played her cards right Storm could rob her of the opportunity to do so. she did almost defeat X-Factor Jean by doing just that...and that was when Storm was stuck in a child's body.

plus Jean used to bug the hell outta me sometimes, so i'm naturally siding with Storm. actually's Storm's been kind of annoying over the last few years too.....

 

[MisterMajestic]

No, Phoenix/Jean Grey is the most powerful, no questions asked. Jean Grey is an Omega mutant; Storm is potentially an Omega level mutant. If my understanding is accurate, Phoenix was only a physical manifestion or representation of Jean's true potential anyway.



Hey Fucker29, you know that you spelled the rapper's name, Ludacris, right? I'm not really some grammar nazi, but I found that to be a little humorous.

TBB and F29....The Phoenix was an evil personality entity created in Jean's head that is dead. Jean could never summon the "Elements" no more than Fire-O can summon Fire from the earths core...They MANIPULATE the elements...Sorry fellas but as you BOTH know Storm Controls that shit with a SNAP of a finger...BIG difference..period..

Storm is still alive and there isnt another female mutant that can take-her...On the Ground her "Lighting bolts" stop any mutant in his tracks, but if you can punch her lights out before she fires up then you'll have the advantage...

But once Storm is in the Sky she can FREEZE any mutant to a solid Block of ice..And that's just for starters...Storm is the MOTHER of the Elements which makes her a Damn Goddess...

 

[MisterMajestic]

I'll say STORM - anyone who can create tornadoes, floods, blizzards has the potential to be deadly!!!!!!
And she can control them!!!!

I hope we see Storm's story on the BIG screen one day...I think someone said Magneto's story is being filmed and will follow Wolverine's story.....

 

[luminum]

TBB and F29....The Phoenix was an evil personality entity created in Jean's head that is dead. Jean could never summon the "Elements" no more than Fire-O can summon Fire from the earths core...They MANIPULATE the elements...Sorry fellas but as you BOTH know Storm Controls that shit with a SNAP of a finger...BIG difference..period..

Storm is still alive and there isnt another female mutant that can take-her...On the Ground her "Lighting bolts" stop any mutant in his tracks, but if you can punch her lights out before she fires up then you'll have the advantage...

But once Storm is in the Sky she can FREEZE any mutant to a solid Block of ice..And that's just for starters...Storm is the MOTHER of the Elements which makes her a Damn Goddess...

I see the problem here--You're only talking about the cartoon/movies. We're talking about the actual comics. In the comics, the Phoenix is the sum of all life throughout the universe past, present, and future, and it bonds with jean giving her unlimited control over time, matter, and thought.

So no, Marvel Comics Storm will never be as powerful as Marvel Comics Jean Grey/Phoenix. As a totally in-control Phoenix, she is unstoppable. In fact, at her most sane and powerful, Jean had complete control over matter at the molecular and atomic level, so there's no question about who has the greater power. Additionally, Jean's powers react at the speed of thought, whereas Storm's psionic control over the weather suffers lag BECAUSE it takes time for weather phenomena to occur. A tornado has to build up and freezing temperatures take time to drop. It's not a snap. Telepathy and telekinesis are a snap. Storm can't just create a tornado out of nowhere (like in X2 she had to form tornadoes, they had to arch down and then hit the missles, whereas if jean were on her game she could just single out the missiles and blow them up). The fastest attach Storm has is lightning generation.

In fact, Storm also suffers from a lack of genuine telepathic resistance. In the comics, she's built up her resistance with some guidance from other telepaths and her strong will power, but Xavier, Jean, Sinister, Exodus or Emma Frost could take her down if it came to that.

If Storm tried to freeze Jean, she'd have to wait even a little for the temperature to go down and for ice to form while Jean could just use her powers to heat up the air around her and stay warm.

Even in the movies, mentally unhinged Jean Grey could atomize Storm in seconds, so there's no argument there. Jean was essentially a god in the comics. As the movie universe stands, Storm is the probably the most powerful female mutant alive, though actually, Kitty Pryde would give her a run for her money. Nothing Storm could throw at Kitty would be able to harm her in her phased state and since Kitty can also fly by "stepping" on air, she could catch up to Storm and phase her hand into her heart or brain and kill her.

By comic canon, the only things that can hurt Kitty Pryde in her phased state are super dense metals like adamantium, magic, and a mutant named Harpoon's energy harpoons. All other forms of matter or energy pass through her just fine.

 

[clorox]

Kitty would still need to breath at some point and she is not invisible when she phases so it wouldn't take much to keep the air away from her. Kitty is also walking/running on air there is a huge speed difference with someone who can fly. Seriously Kitty doesn't even crack the top 10 in terms of raw power. Yes she can kill pretty much anyone, but she can't level an entire city in the same amount of time as most of the other X ladies.

 

[luminum]

That's true, but I'm just saying, in terms of a one on one with Storm, she can handle herself just fine. If we're talking about power in terms of destruction, she doesn't have it. But in terms of combat, she's more skilled than Jean or Storm (though both have some good training). Jean could disassemble her molecularly and Storm may immobilize or suffocate her by creating a vaccum--that's how they'd beat her.

However, in terms of speed, Kitty has no friction when she phases, so any escape velocity she musters would be maintained if she jumped and continued to "step" as she flew.

Anyway, in terms of leveling cities, that really only leaves Jean, Betsy, Rachel, and Ororo, since Rogue's been wiped clean. X-23 might do it slowly like if Logan decided to go through a city. Rachel could probably destroy a large city in faster time than Storm and Betsy might be equivalent. Of course, Jean would be fastest. In terms of other X-Ladies--If Wallflower or Stacey X were still around they could pheromone everyone into suicide. Emma might be able to telepathically kill everyone with Cerebra. Dust might level a city going through it with a good air current. Magma could probably melt it down. Lorna could pull a Magento, I suppose...

Someone who always gets written off as an average powerhouse is M, who's supposed to be essentially perfect in every possible aspect except that she has limited telepathy. Magik's magical abilities on Earth are pretty weak, though her power in Limbo is almost absolute.

If we want to throw Marvel mutant ladies in here though, Scarlet Witch is a top contender. And to follow the in-joke, the number one champion would be Squirrel Girl.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

TBB and F29....The Phoenix was an evil personality entity created in Jean's head that is dead. Jean could never summon the "Elements" no more than Fire-O can summon Fire from the earths core...They MANIPULATE the elements...Sorry fellas but as you BOTH know Storm Controls that shit with a SNAP of a finger...BIG difference..period..

Storm is still alive and there isnt another female mutant that can take-her...On the Ground her "Lighting bolts" stop any mutant in his tracks, but if you can punch her lights out before she fires up then you'll have the advantage...

But once Storm is in the Sky she can FREEZE any mutant to a solid Block of ice..And that's just for starters...Storm is the MOTHER of the Elements which makes her a Damn Goddess...

I like Storm, I really do. She is a powerful mutant, but Jean Grey/Phoenix has been established as one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe, not just the X-Men Universe.

Unlike Luminum, I will address the cartoon as she was still powerful in the cartoon. In the cartoon, Phoenix just laughed at Storm's use of her powers. Storm's winds could not even move Phoenix; in addition, Storm's lightning was absorbed by Phoenix and used against Storm.

As Phoenix, as Luminum stated, she's basically a god. She can literally wipe out the existence of the universe with a mere thought. In a one-on-one battle, Jean can easily kill Storm with either telekinesis or telepathy, with or without the Phoenix entity. Jean's abilities are quicker, with or without the Phoenix backing her; also, Jean can protect herself against Storm's attacks, but Storm does not have a way to defend against Jean's.

By the way, as far as the cartoon and comic book are concerned, The Phoenix is an actual force. Unlike X-3, it is not a split personality. It is bonded with Jean Grey (in the comic book, it was the clone of Jean Grey).

 

[luminum]

And eventually, after that clone "died," the Phoenix Force bonded with the real Jean Grey.

And yes, in the cartoons, Jean Grey was still much more powerful as Phoenix than Storm. Previous to the Phoenix, Jean's potential (in the comics or otherwise) was much, much weaker. Eventually, Jean comes into her own as a powerful psychic and psychokinetic even without the Phoenix.

 

[dairyking469]

Phoenix, Emma, Rachel

 

[Fucker29]

No, Phoenix/Jean Grey is the most powerful, no questions asked. Jean Grey is an Omega mutant; Storm is potentially an Omega level mutant. If my understanding is accurate, Phoenix was only a physical manifestion or representation of Jean's true potential anyway.



Hey Fucker29, you know that you spelled the rapper's name, Ludacris, right? I'm not really some grammar nazi, but I found that to be a little humorous.

Lol! You're right...I, usually, confuse ludacris with ludicrous. It actually kinda makes sense but...

 

[Fucker29]

I like Storm, I really do. She is a powerful mutant, but Jean Grey/Phoenix has been established as one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe, not just the X-Men Universe.

Unlike Luminum, I will address the cartoon as she was still powerful in the cartoon. In the cartoon, Phoenix just laughed at Storm's use of her powers. Storm's winds could not even move Phoenix; in addition, Storm's lightning was absorbed by Phoenix and used against Storm.

As Phoenix, as Luminum stated, she's basically a god. She can literally wipe out the existence of the universe with a mere thought. In a one-on-one battle, Jean can easily kill Storm with either telekinesis or telepathy, with or without the Phoenix entity. Jean's abilities are quicker, with or without the Phoenix backing her; also, Jean can protect herself against Storm's attacks, but Storm does not have a way to defend against Jean's.

By the way, as far as the cartoon and comic book are concerned, The Phoenix is an actual force. Unlike X-3, it is not a split personality. It is bonded with Jean Grey (in the comic book, it was the clone of Jean Grey).

This is just what I was about to say...even in the cartoon, Phoenix beat the CRAP out of Storm. Now I love me some Storm, she's one of my top favorite characters and a motherfucking powerful mutant but, in comparison to Phoenix, her powers are reduced to NOTHING.

When Jean was in Dark Phoenix mode, even the very primary forces of the omniverse (Eternity (whom you can see in the cartoon when the Dark Phoenix's flying across the space), The Living Tribunal, etc), basically, of all existence were alarmed by Phoenix's behavior since they know she possesses the power to destroy all that is.
The Phoenix Force is a cosmic entity, said to be 2nd only to The Living Tribunal in terms of power (however, when it comes to cosmic beings the levels of power are arguable)...the mere idea of Storm being able to confront her is ludicrous (YAY! Finally used it correctly!), at best.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

And eventually, after that clone "died," the Phoenix Force bonded with the real Jean Grey.



And yes, in the cartoons, Jean Grey was still much more powerful as Phoenix than Storm. Previous to the Phoenix, Jean's potential (in the comics or otherwise) was much, much weaker. Eventually, Jean comes into her own as a powerful psychic and psychokinetic even without the Phoenix.

That's what I was going to say. I do not follow comics consistently, but I had read that she had reached higher levels in her abilities. Speaking of which, for any of you comic book buffs, does she currently possess both psionic and psychokinetic abilities again?

This is just what I was about to say...even in the cartoon, Phoenix beat the CRAP out of Storm. Now I love me some Storm, she's one of my top favorite characters and a motherfucking powerful mutant but, in comparison to Phoenix, her powers are reduced to NOTHING.

When Jean was in Dark Phoenix mode, even the very primary forces of the omniverse (Eternity (whom you can see in the cartoon when the Dark Phoenix's flying across the space), The Living Tribunal, etc), basically, of all existence were alarmed by Phoenix's behavior since they know she possesses the power to destroy all that is.
The Phoenix Force is a cosmic entity, said to be 2nd only to The Living Tribunal in terms of power (however, when it comes to cosmic beings the levels of power are arguable)...the mere idea of Storm being able to confront her is ludicrous (YAY! Finally used it correctly!), at best.

Let's not even stop there, Phoenix handled everyone on the X-Men team with pure ease. Rogue just annoyed Jean/Phoenix when she attempted to absorb her powers. When Gladiator confronted Phoenix, he was tossed into space for his troubles. Oh yeah, when Lilandra's defenders or team pissed her off in the last episode, all I can say is "Let The Bodies Hit The Floor".

 

[luminum]

So currently Jean is dead though she may be coming back I'd say within a few years.

But, during Grant Morrison's run (around the time of the first X-Men movie) Jean regained her TK. Then she began finding that her TK was becoming strong enough that she could "feel" objects with it, which Xavier described as being called the "Sensitivity of the Phoenix" at which point Phoenix spoke from Jean's body. So Phoenix had manifested in Jean again for an unknown reason, and also boosted her powers up.

The X-Men were worried based on Phoenix's previous actions but Jean stated she was in complete control this time. Eventually, Phoenix awoke fully inside of her and she gained complete control over matter on a sub-atomic level, enough to build and run a an organic spaceship out of the wreckage of a Asteroid X while she and Logan were close to being plunged into the sun.

But then, stupidly, a Magneto imposter killed her by sending a massive electromagnetic pulse through her body, giving her a stroke that killed her.

However, because of her death Scott decides to leave the X-Mansion and the school falls into ruins causing this alternate apocalyptic timeline. Subsequently Jean is intended to fulfill her role as the "White Phoenix of the Crown" and has the power to sever and remove that alternate future because it is an evolutionary dead end. So she reaches into the past when Scott refuses Emma's offer to run the school together and be a couple and telepathically pushes him to be with her in order to ensure that the future continues onward.

So in a cosmic sense, she's still around (and she appeared again during X-Men: Phoenix Endsong) but she's yet to truly appear again in the present. There was a mutant birth that was massive where the baby had red hair and incredible powers that blew out Cerebra, and Cable took her to the future to protect her and there are signs that she is Jean reborn (phoenix symbol reflected in her eyes, etc.) We'll see.

 

[MisterMajestic]

So currently Jean is dead though she may be coming back I'd say within a few years.


But then, stupidly, a Magneto imposter killed her by sending a massive electromagnetic pulse through her body, giving her a stroke that killed her.

So Jean is Dead in the Comics...She died in the cartoon years ago and she DIED in the Movie...Poor Jean..She has no control over the evil entity..

Storm is still alive on & off paper which makes her the most Powerful Female mutant...Case closed...

 

[luminum]

Again, not evil and again, she always comes back. Listening is an important skill, helpful in all facets of life.

 

[MisterMajestic]

Again, Yes Evil in every way and Wolverine killed her Ass...You're right about one thing....Listening is an important & helpful skill in Life. If you have or plan to have children I hope you pass that on to them...

 

[videoboi08]

True, Rogue was one southern belle that u dont wanna fuck with!!! so is storm, she is not the one you dont wanna pissed off. i love halle berrry but her as storm sucks, storm dont stay in the sideline to wolverine and jean grey

i know, as storm halle berry is not that great

 

[luminum]

Again, Yes Evil in every way and Wolverine killed her Ass...You're right about one thing....Listening is an important & helpful skill in Life. If you have or plan to have children I hope you pass that on to them...

*sigh Sorry, that came off as bitchy. But yeah, the Phoenix isn't evil. The split personality version in the movies is "evil" and the canon cosmic entity is neutral. And as far as the record shows, Jean Grey > Storm. She acknowledges it herself. Comic canon establishes Jean Grey as essentially the perfect mutant, stronger than Xavier with her telepathy, even without the Phoenix and the most powerful telekinetic, even without the Phoenix. And with the Phoenix, Jean is intrusted with a whole realm of responsibility beyond what Storm ever will have to think about. Jean fixes timelines and maintains cosmic order. Currently, the most power Storm has is as Queen of Wakanda.

Storm might be powerful, but she's no match for Jean and given that Jean never stays dead, Storm won't ever be.

I mean hey, I love Emma Frost, but I readily acknowledge that she's no match for Jean Grey. Ever.

No need to take it personally. Just read the comics and see the cartoon(s) and it's pretty obvious that Jean's the stronger character and the most powerful. In fact, they usually kill her off because she ALWAYS gets the powers of the Phoenix under control and she's ALWAYS "right," making her an all-powerful character who always makes the correct call/does the right thing/wins it for the team in the end, which becomes nothing less than a deus ex machina.

But if it helps, Jean and Ororo great friends and acknowledge that they're sisters to one another.

Storm versus Emma, however, is a debate that's less one-sided.

 

[MisterMajestic]

i know, as storm halle berry is not that great

As "Storm" Halle Berry was very "forgettable" in all 3 Flicks. The casting Director failed when he chose her for the part. He went after "Beauty" instead of examining the character and figuring out who could play "Storm" convincingly...

There's been many discussions on who should have been "cast" as "Storm". I always, Always say the role should have gone to Grace Jones..Grace has the Voice, The toughness, the Look and she would have been an awesome scene stealer...Go back and look at her performance with Arnold in the 80's sci-fi flick "Conan the Barbarian" and that alone proves she would have been the perfect "Storm"...

The other actors were cast perfectly for their roles...Casting Halle as "Storm" was a let-down...

 

[innocentbychoice]

^What I truly hated about Halle Berry in the movies was that she was really pretentious trying to be the center of attention when the movie is about a team (and well sadly about Wolverine but that's another story) not about Storm. She was pretty much ignored in the first 2 movies but then they gave her what she wanted in X3, more screen time and attention at the expense of Rogue, Cyclops and the rest. Yes I know Anna Paquin and James Marsden had other things going on at the time but still.