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10-02-10 March On Washington..

Great, you mean set the black people free and say let them fend for themselves?

You know , it's ultimately whites who are responsible for the permanency of the black underclass in America and I find attempts to dissociate oneself from stewardship to them to be tantamount to racism. There is still prejudice and discrimination still decades after the civil rights movement and it shows in the poverty and whopping unemployment rate in the poor inner-city black communities.

jockboy, ignore her. She doesn't mean a word she says, it's just baiting now.

Every so often she'll throw in some moronic thing that's clearly just meant to incite people.

It's kinda fun to play for a bit because the stuff she says is so absurd. But now it's just whining and a lot of "I know you are but what am I" bullshit... and she's really at bad at it.
 
jockboy, ignore her. She doesn't mean a word she says, it's just baiting now.

Every so often she'll throw in some moronic thing that's clearly just meant to incite people.

It's kinda fun to play for a bit because the stuff she says is so absurd. But now it's just whining and a lot of "I know you are but what am I" bullshit... and she's really at bad at it.

Do not insult or impugn the character of another JUBer through posts, threads, PMs, or comments. If you find yourself having difficulty refraining from insulting, baiting or other negative impulses, please log off for a while to calm down.

Apparently Jasun thinks calling another male poster a "her" makes his argument more valid.
 
Great, you mean set the black people free and say let them fend for themselves?

You know, it's ultimately centuries of suppression by whites that is responsible for the permanency of the black underclass in America and I find attempts to dissociate oneself from stewardship to them to be tantamount to racism. There is still prejudice and discrimination still decades after the civil rights movement and it shows in the poverty and whopping unemployment rate in the poor inner-city black communities, and to say there should be no recourse or redress is contemptible.

You should ask the Democratic Congress members who represent those poor inner-city districts why their constituents continue to live in poverty and are unable to find employment.

7 of the top 8 poorest congressional districts are represented by Democrats, most of whom are long-time members of Congress. Nothing changes, yet they continue to be re-elected.
 
I don't think LaikaNYC is altogether aware of just how controversial it is alleging a connection between social progressivism to socialism, which as you all should know is not necessarily concomitant with the societal model called Communism. In fact it is the center of some of the harshest criticism leveled against J Edgar Hoover. Progressivism is responsible for the greatest leaps in civil rights in the 20th century, from women's suffrage to the first gay rights victories, and will continue to be again and again in the 21st. Conservatives tried to stop it by slapping progressives with the "socialist" label, and failed, and just as victorious as progressivism has been so too will be the pattern of failure among conservatives.

The Nineteenth Amendment (allowing women to vote) was passed overwhemingly by Republicans, as was the 1964 Civil Rights acts.

36 out of 44 Republicans voted for the 19th amendment.
20 out of 37 Democrats voted against the 19th amendment.

So, of the 56 votes, 36 were from Republicans.

As for the 1964 Civil Rights Act

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46 for - 21 against (69%–31%)
Republican Party: 27 for - 6 against (82%–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153 for - 91 against (63%–37%)
Republican Party: 136 for- 35 against (80%–20%)

So when you actually look at the numbers, the Democrats aren't responsible for any of these passages.
 
I can tell you were woefully unprepared for discussions about history after leaving high school.

What do you think President Johnson meant when he said "We've just lost the South for a generation?"

Do you need me to tell you?

Republicans abandoned that positive legacy on civil rights decades ago when Nixon and Congressional Republicans campaigned on racist sympathies in the 1968 general election. Democrats picked up from that point and that is why the country is still split North and South along Democratic and Republican lines.

You don't honestly think blacks and all other minorities would vote Democratic if Democrats had such a lousy record on civil rights do you?

That's basic American history you ought to be aware of before daring to think you have the erudition to pontificate on this issue.

Why should they care about what their party did decades and decades ago? Why shouldn't they vote Democrat now? They're the party of social justice and welfare programs. Democrats create, enhance, prolong and foster more and more social programs like welfare. In a nutshell, Democrats like to keep them poor and dependent on the government, that way they'll always have the vote of the minorities. It's quite sick to see people collect unemployment checks for a year and a half and then miraculously find a job the same month they stop receiving payments from the government.
 
You don't happen to mean the mislabeled communist hammer and sickle with the socialist title do you?

:rotflmao:

The hammer and sickle don't represent socialism, not that I expect LaikaNYC to know that.

Further proof that conservatives like to muddle the meaning of terms and mislabel people, or just be plain old fashioned ignorant.

Once again you're sounding as pompous as ever. Do emoticons really help get your point across? Type socialism into Google images. Socialism and Communism go hand-in-hand - both always come to the same miserable end. Can you tell me what symbol was on the flag of the USSR? You know, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? But anyways, now that you've gone completely off-topic because you wanted to foolishly nit-pick some picture...
 
You only think you're more knowledgable. You only succeed in being incredibly snarky. How about you go waste your time telling all this drivel to the person who actually created the image? Socialism doesn't have a universal logo. The next closest thing for a logo would be, you guessed it, a hammer and sickle.
 
Why this hostility toward laika? I've read his posts everything he said including the images are factual. I've read liberal articles where comments left by liberals were disgusted by the fact that trash was left behind at the rally. That extra food from vendors was tossed in the garbage instead of donated to a homeless shelter. It makes the environmentalists/socialist/other groups in attendance look like hypocrites. They shoudl practice what they preach.

Didn't you hear? Jasun says the trash was dumped by Conservative operatives! And then Rod Serling walked out from behind a curtain.
 
It was in doubt until you gave me the opportunity to prove it.



Hammer and sickle is not a substitute symbol for a lack of one for socialism.

It would be the same thing as saying 'democracy' and 'capitalism' are practically the same thing.

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

About as ridiculous to an educated person as a hammer and sickle labeled 'socialism.'

Oh dear, you're actually trying to differentiate Socialism and Communism, as if one of the two is actually more pleasant than the other. Social justice is merely a euphemism for socialism. The end result has always been the same. You really are a true Progressive. Pat yourself on the shoulder. Your Karl Marx literature has taught you well.
 
I hate to call this 6th grade Social Studies class to a close, but I think it should be more than clear that we're either dealing with a complete idiot, a mindless automaton who just repeats shit he/she hears on Fox "news" or someone who's clearly trying to derail arguments with just sheer moronicness. I don't even think "moronicness" is a word, although I can't think of a real word that's more appropriate.

And hey, if our resident troll can post videos of a large crowd of communists and then a picture of an empty national mall claiming they were the same day, an invented scandal about the photograph of a crowd that nobody ever claimed was the 10-2 rally and finish up with a communist hammer and sickle with the word "socialism" (in English, no less) next to it, I feel perfectly comfortable pointing out that the Tea Party is just the new word for KKK.
 
It was in doubt until you gave me the opportunity to prove it.



Hammer and sickle is not a substitute symbol for a lack of one for socialism.

It would be the same thing as saying 'democracy' and 'capitalism' are practically the same thing.

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

About as ridiculous to an educated person as a hammer and sickle labeled 'socialism.'

Democracy and capitalism. Actually it's not like saying the same thing. If I had to explain it to say, someone like Jasun, I would say democracy is a style of GOVERNMENT most commonly related to capitialism as an economic theory, while Socialism is an ECONOMIC THEORY most commonly related to communism as a style of government.
 
Yeah, I'm thinking that this might move in the direction of a third and even fourth party.

Nobody's very happy with either one of the ruling parties right now. I'm sure not.

But who in COngress is going to vote for the changes we need, to get it done?

zzzzzzzzzz.

OK, back on ignore you go.

You're boring me now. When a troll becomes THAT transparent, it's not fun anymore to bitch slap them down.

Thanks for the fun.

But he just actually said something! :D

Didn't you hear? Jasun says the trash was dumped by Conservative operatives! And then Rod Serling walked out from behind a curtain.

No, he didn't. Now you're not only ignoring all the substantive things sent your way and only picking at live in your own hair, you're lying.

Democracy and capitalism. Actually it's not like saying the same thing. If I had to explain it to say, someone like Jasun, I would say democracy is a style of GOVERNMENT most commonly related to capitialism as an economic theory, while Socialism is an ECONOMIC THEORY most commonly related to communism as a style of government.

And you'd flunk. Look at the democracies around the world, and try again.
 
I get accused of "hating America" and be "anti-American" repeatedly whenever I post the reality of America today. If you're the one pointing out the short comings of the power of the God of the free market, it's treated as sacrilege to their sacrosanct mantra of "the power of the market is cures what ails it". :rolleyes:]

I get that a lot too.Whenever someone points out the many shortcomings of American style capitalism,such as outsourcing,poor wages,decreased benefits and in many cases environmental havoc (such as the the fracking debacle here in N.E. Pa.) people act like you pissed on their sofa..I'm not against people making money,but I believe it can be done without exploiting people and poisoning the air and water..

As I posted in the Germany thread, there is another way to protect jobs, vs. America actively encouraging companies to relocate workers to other countries (which is bloody fucking madness!). There was no need to gut American manufacturing, as the Germans have proved; by maintaining great wages and benefits using efficiencies within the entire German system.

Germany's Economic Engine: Why the German model has held up even as so many other major economies have collapsed.
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=germanys_economic_engine

That was a good article and it just highlights the fundamental differences in the way workers are viewed in Germany and the U.S..In Germany,workers aren't viewed as just a piece of equipment that should never have any say in day to day operations,whereas here in the U.S.workers seem to viewed as some sort of menace that should be replaced with lower paid workers in the third world at the earliest possibilty..

In another post,you mentioned the difference in the amount of hours a German works as compared to a U.S. worker..See,that's another thing that burns my ass.American workers are getting the shitty end of that stick too.We work many hours than our European and Australian counterparts and don't get near the benefits..

For instance, I have a freind from Australia staying with me right now.Each year he gets around FIVE WEEKS PAID VACATION.Full time is considered 38 hours a week,and of course everyone has medical care..Now,why the fuck can't American workers have the same thing? I don't know any Americans who get a month or more paid vacation each year?

Also,as far as productivity goes,American workers certainly hold there own.Productivity has has more than doubled since the end of WWII,yet American workers still get the shitty end of the stick.In other words,we could have worked only two and a half days a week and lost nothing.

I know that would never happen, there is no way production would sit idle for half the week.But, how about some props for the workers? Why are they demonized as ''communists'' for wanting representation int the work place? It's even more offensive ,especially when it comes from people that support the wholesale outsourcing of millions of American to jobs to REAL Communists in China..


For Republicans to stand on the sacred spot MLK stood on to deliver his 1963 "I have a dream" speech and concordantly reject, denounce, and stall progress on gay rights is nothing less than morally reprehensible, and something which I find contemptible to say the least. Now I ask LaikaNYC, is this really the ideology you want to be associated with? Because all you are accomplishing by bragging about the size and popularity of the conservative movement is America is to emphasize how hateful this country really is to people like yourself.

The right wingers hated MLK,then and now..Before his death, he switched gears to economic justice.These people hate the idea of economic justice almost as much as they hate the idea of social justice..

I notice Liekia didn't answer your question.He must have been busy scouring the net for pictures of trash heaps and angry black people yelling at right wing scumbags..

It's pretty face-palming to think that conservatives think we're so dense that we'd forget their very transparent attempt to inflate their own number and think we wouldn't see through their very bad attempts to deflate the numbers from the One Nation rally.

I mean, at this point they're not even trying. Just Trolling.

That's because he is a troll, and probably a paid operative.I post on a few sites,and all the operatives follow the same script,and use the same tired talking points.They even post the same pictures and videos.Don't believe me?? See for yourself..http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=16091

To the pixie and laitka trolls please post what you specifically have an issue with regarding this rally! Please tell us which part or parts of the speeches or presentations of this rally you disagree with. Again, be specific! If you cannot tell us what you disagree with then you must avoid this thread or admit to not having any idea what you are talking about. So what is it going to be?

They haven't listened to the speeches.Instead the just scanned coverage for ''inflammatory '' rhetoric and dismissed everything else..Had they listened,they would have heard about people that are afraid of losing their jobs,college kids who come out of school $50,000 in debt,or heard ,how while everyone in the country is expected to tighten their belts,CEO'S contnue to earn millions all while gleefuly outsoucing jobs overseas.Or maybe they might have wondered why we continue to spend more on the military than most of the world combined,but every state in the Country is laying off teachers,firefighters ,cops and is being forced to slash or reduce other much needed social programs..

Nah, fuck all that.Post pictures of trash piles,and add in some Russian music to some Socilaist banners far away from the main event..I don't say it often enough.I hate these motherfuckers and hope they all get stomach cancer..
 
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I can be an asshole.No doubt about that.I especially enjoy being an asshole to right wingers and those who defend them.I've never been bashful about admitting my contempt for these people.I hate them as much as they hate the middle class.If that makes me an asshole,so be it.In the words of FDR...''I welcome their hatred."'

Paranoid though? Not so much..Did I post something that hasn't been happening? Are America's factories humming back to life ,filled with well paid workers who enjoy decent healthcare?

Are young people all a sudden finding it easier and easier to afford tuition? Are the days of a degree costing $50-100,000 now a distant memory?

Have we scaled back the obscene military budget and are now focusing on rebuilding our roads,bridges and cities?

When you can answer yes to these questions, than you can call me a paroniod asshole.Until then,I'll continue to say what I think about people like you..
 
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You're a class act.

Oh by the way, from the rule book:

"Any post containing a direct personal insult will be removed or edited, regardless of the content of the rest of the post."
 
No, he didn't. Now you're not only ignoring all the substantive things sent your way and only picking at live in your own hair, you're lying.

I think it's more likely that the conservative operatives who took the pictures just collected all that stuff and threw it on the ground so they could take pictures of it.

When ever you're ready, feel free to apologize.
 
Apologize?

Okay --

I'm sorry you're so bad at reading that you have to quote things out of context in order to try to make a point.

Goodness. What exactly did I take out of context? I pointed out how the Progressives, Socialists, etc left the place looking like a dumping ground for trash. Jasun, however, then said it was "Conservative operatives" who littered the grounds with trash. Got it now?
 
Kul, we're still waiting for Laika to apologize to Larry Flynt for incorrectly saying that Mr. Flynt said that David Vitter was gay. We're also waiting for Laika to admit his statement that "throwing gay people out of the military was Bill Clinton's idea."

Laika also should apologize to Stacy for suggesting that being called "her" is a "smear."

Laika has gone out of his/her way to misrepresent and take out of context MANY statements made here and elsewhere.

And hasn't really answered us on the "you're a paid operative, right? And if not... how come your posts so closely mirror other Conservative trolls on other forums?"
 
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