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15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Election

Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

You can't really make this comparison. Consider this thread: http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=231578 All things would not be equal had she got the nomination.

Oh, I freely admit that Hillary would have had some baggage to carry, but I think there would have been enough fight in her to overcome that baggage and win the election.

Hillary would be fighting back harder.

When is Obama going to introduce a "3AM" ad against McCain & Palin?
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

^ The way this hurricane is looking, you may have a point there. Looks awful for Houston, Galveston, Port Arthur and Beaumont. We had huge lines of people getting gas in Lexington, today.
 
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CNN was reporting $5 a gallon gas in South Carolina, and some gas stations here in Kentucky ran out of gasoline.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

Here's another reason why the Dems may not carry WI in November. The WI state attorney general is suing the state election board due to discrepancies between voter registration databases. The gist of it is, this could affect anywhere from 250,000 to 1,000,000 voters who thought they were correctly registered to vote -- but may not be.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=793886

Gore carried WI by a scant 5,000 votes; Kerry by 11,000. If the attorney general's lawsuit is successful, it could easily tilt the election in ways no one can predict.

This is just the same old "voter fraud" red herring that gets trotted out every so often. Now, to be sure, some voter fraud does occur. But how much? If someone accidentally transposes a number in a street address when it's written down (or entered into a computer system), or omits their middle initial, couldn't that be an honest mistake?

Some observations and one question. (1) Wisconsin's attorney general is a Republican. (2) He's also the co-chairman of McCain's WI campaign. (3) The suit's being filed less than two months before the election, yet the data in question goes back to 2006. (4) Isn't this a potential conflict of interest?
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

Some observations and one question. (1) Wisconsin's attorney general is a Republican. (2) He's also the co-chairman of McCain's WI campaign. (3) The suit's being filed less than two months before the election, yet the data in question goes back to 2006. (4) Isn't this a potential conflict of interest?

It would seem to be a conflict, but I suppose it isn't. He is an elected official who is expected to be above partisanship on interpreting the law. Think about that Harris bag as Sec of State down in FL during 2000.

This does not bode well for Obama in Wisconin if it is close.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

But you're jumping the gun on the ballot thing. Our election pamphlets won't arrive for a few more weeks, and the actual ballots come to us 2 or 3 weeks before the election....


My bad...I just can't wait for you Oregonians to start voting.

And now some night-time polls for you-- one historically Republican state and one historically Democratic state:

OKLAHOMA -- McCain +31 -- Rasmussen -- Another Sooner State blowout.

NEW JERSEY -- Obama +3 -- Marist -- WOAH NELLIE!!!!....the Garden State is falling back into the toss-up arena. A few days ago, we had Obama's lead falling to 6 points and now it dips to 3 points. This could be trouble and is one of the states McCain has pointed to since the early days of the campaign as one that he could flip red.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

My bad...I just can't wait for you Oregonians to start voting.

And now some night-time polls for you-- one historically Republican state and one historically Democratic state:

OKLAHOMA -- McCain +31 -- Rasmussen -- Another Sooner State blowout.

NEW JERSEY -- Obama +3 -- Marist -- WOAH NELLIE!!!!....the Garden State is falling back into the toss-up arena. A few days ago, we had Obama's lead falling to 6 points and now it dips to 3 points. This could be trouble and is one of the states McCain has pointed to since the early days of the campaign as one that he could flip red.

I was stunned by New Jersey, as well. We've noticed a dangerous trend that does not look good for Obama. Typical Red states support McCain as high as 30 + points. Blue states, however, only seem to support Obama by mere points. Obama seems to be lucky to actually have double digit leads in any typically Blue state.

Now, New Mexico going back to Red and New Jersey actually going to a toss up category? Not looking good.

Let this be a harsh lesson to Democratic voters.

People, especially women, enjoy being pandered to ... and do not vote based on the issues ... but rather emotions.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

NEW JERSEY -- Obama +3 -- Marist -- WOAH NELLIE!!!!....the Garden State is falling back into the toss-up arena. A few days ago, we had Obama's lead falling to 6 points and now it dips to 3 points. This could be trouble and is one of the states McCain has pointed to since the early days of the campaign as one that he could flip red.

Pollmeister NJ may flirt with the GOP candidate at the Presidential party, but she always goes home with the Democrat.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

Let this be a harsh lesson to Democratic voters.

People, especially women, enjoy being pandered to ... and do not vote based on the issues ... but rather emotions.


Seriously, Midnight, all partisanship aside, when have Democrats ever learned any lesson from having their asses handed to them!?!?!!?! And let's not get so high and mighty, the Dems have a long history of pandering to every special interest voting block around....in the South, Democratic candidates of all skin colors, pander endlessly to African Americans; in other areas, it's Hispanics. In Florida, you pander to senior citizens and Jewish voters. So, why did Obama decide that he was suddenly above pandering just when victory was finally within his grasp?

Tonight, I heard a Democratic advisor say that not selecting Hillary or some other woman may be an Obama blunder that will adversely impact elections for years to come. Women are notorious swing voters, but in slight margins, they have always been a little more pro-Dem. This latest situation has positioned the GOP to be the party of modern, working women. Palin is so charming and articulate and 'everybody's mom' that she has captured the essence of today's overburdened and under-respected woman. And, Palin is postioned and poised to now be the future of the GOP for years to come. In other words, the Hillocrat arm of the Democratic party will be a distant memory as the Palinican movement settles in for years to come. Even with an Obama loss in '08, the Dems fortunes in '12 with Hillary would be dubious at best as part of her base will have been diluted. As I wrote on JUB, 3 minutes after Palin was announced as VP and most of the JUBworld was falling out of their chairs laughing at McCain, my assessement is/was "brilliant"--Gramps is a political genius. Who knew?
 
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I see. Watching the kind of people now coming out in support of Palin, I already had a feeling they were not even the voting kind. I fear for her (and hope for the world) that the newspapers will be headlining the cheap pun "Palin to insignificance" in november.

Which party pays Research2000 and Strategic Vision, sammie? Since how long?

I believe Research2000 and Strategic Vision are guns for hire. They poll for whoever will pay for the poll on whatever topic they want polled.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

^Or to bring in the western votes, Obama could have chosen Bill Richardson.

A guy who could have brought almost as much "foreign affairs" experience to the ticket as Biden, not to mention appealing to the Hispanic voter.....

Plus, he has a bit less of that Washington, DC stench about him........
 
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So, why do you think a northeasterner can't be elected president? I'd be curious to know. Isn't Romney really a westerner and Hillary a midwestern southern transplant? I think there are regional biases no doubt, and I pretty much agree with you. And the NE takes alot of shots from much of the country. But, I think someday there will be another NE who can be in tune with most of the country (a Republican would be a big problem for Dems if he could make those blue states red in that region).

In some parts of the country both Clinton and Romney could be thought of as not being from the northeast but the south is not one of those parts IMO. Further if you win a political office in the northeast, as the Mittster can attest, you have to take positions which will kill you in the religious, socially conservative south.

On economics I don't think there is much of a difference but on those social issues there is a huge gap.

I agree with you that eventually a NE pol will be in tune with the rest of the country but not because he is more conservative but because even the south will eventually become more socially relaxed. As with everyone else as they become wealthier they will become more liberal.

Not on guns or God perhaps but on gays and abortion I think it will. The gays are not going back into the closet so some accommodation will have to be made and as kids being born today mature I think it will be.

On abortion the right basically lost the issue because of their unwillingness to compromise at all. I'd point out to you here that the only time the issue has even been addressed by the voting public since Roe was in 06 in South Dakota on a ballot question which just about mirrored Mrs. Palin's position on the issue.

It lost 55-45%.......and that was in S.D. If you loose like that there one wonders where you can win. Once given a right voters rarely give it up and the rights desire to take the issue away from the courts will not change anything unless they accept some abortions in order to ban others.

Those of us in the NE know our time will come again......once competency trumps emotion our day will have arrived. :wave:
 
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And I don't mean the Miami Beach south and the Las Vegas west, I mean Bubba and Peggy Sue!
Have I mentioned I think Janet Napolitano would have made a good running mate for Obama? Perhaps I haven't
I hate it that the first female running mate in my lifetime is a hockey cheerleader (I mean hockey grandma) from the Billy Graham wing of the GOP

B'back...in addition to surprising us with the whole Mormon thing, did you also fail to tell us that you're a stand-up comedian? LOL---Those were some grat lines above that made my day.

I think Obama would have been wise to have had you chair his VP Search Committee rather than Caroline Kennedy. Right now, Janet Nappy as VP would have squashed the hockey grandma from ever transpiring.
 
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As with everyone else as they become wealthier they will become more liberal.

Hey, I agreed with your post except for this one excerpt. You're sounding a lot like Lostlover here and the whole educated = Democrat equation that he trumps. Most wealthy and/or educated people in my life experiences are Republicans. Probably not based on social issues, but rather taxing and less government issues. The only wealthy people whom I ever encounter who are Dems are usually lawyers....and, in the south, that's even a mixed bag. Even most of the wealthy blacks that I know are Republican-leaning. I guess when the choice comes down to either keeping the money that you make OR some social issues that probably will never affect you directly anyway, most seem to choose the greenbacks.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

Hey, I agreed with your post except for this one excerpt. You're sounding a lot like Lostlover here and the whole educated = Democrat equation that he trumps. Most wealthy and/or educated people in my life experiences are Republicans. Probably not based on social issues, but rather taxing and less government issues.

Sammie I only meant it as it relates to social issues. There are plenty of republicans in the north as well as the south its just up here when republicans say less government it also means keeping Washington out of our private lives as well as our pockets.

Why it is that those who earn less money feel the need to shove morality down the throats of others while those who are more successful don't I can't really say but I'm inclined to think that the human need to feel superior to others on some level plays a part in it.

I do think as we move forward its far far more likely that the south becomes more like the north both socially and economically than it is that the north becomes more like the south.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

Some new polls:

From Rasmussen:

SOUTH DAKOTA -- McCain +17
NEVADA -- McCain +3 -- The last six polls in the Silver State from Rasmussen have all showed a 3 point margin, with McCain leading 5/6 of those polls.


Then, we have these from Zogby, which uses all sort of high tech, interactive methods to reach their results. I tend not to rely on this service, but here they are:

VIRGINIA -- McCain +6
PENNSYLVANIA -- McCain +4
OHIO -- McCain +6
NEVADA -- McCain +7
NEW MEXICO -- Obama +1
NEW HAMPSHIRE -- McCain +6
NORTH CAROLINA -- Obama +1
MISSOURI -- McCain +6
MICHIGAN -- Obama +5
FLORIDA -- McCain +10
COLORADO -- McCain +2
 
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^If these numbers were truly accurate, and were to hold, then McCain getting Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Nevada, New Hampshire, Missouri, Florida and Colorado would mean a large defeat to Obama and the Democrats, it would seem....

Having said that, Zogby is the poll to which I have always given the least credence.
 
The State of the Presidential Race

Looking back to earlier in the summer, one would have been naturally excited to imagine that Obama’s pathway to the White House was going to be much easier than it has actually turned out to be. John McCain did not enjoy a fervent enthusiasm from his base, and consistently trailed in all of the polls.

The optics of the campaign heavily favored Obama. Remember Obama’s trip to the Middle East and to Europe? Compare that to McCain’s handful of media turning out for him in New Hampshire and the ill-advised McCain photo op in front in the cheese aisle in an Ohio grocery store.

The McCain campaign appeared not to be running on all cylinders, until he adopted the “kitchen sink” strategy pioneered by Hillary Clinton. In August, McCain began throwing everything at Obama. The media woke up and began covering this constant barrage, reminding the electorate that McCain was now on the attack and Obama was left only to respond.

As Hurricane Gustav raced toward New Orleans, and the Republicans began cancelling events at the GOP convention, some people began to hope that McCain would not have much of a convention to get a bounce from. But while a record number of people tuned in to watch Obama’s acceptance speech at the Democratic Convention, even more people tuned in to watch John McCain’s acceptance speech at the GOP Convention. That wasn’t supposed to happen. And with the pick of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate, John McCain has turned this election on its head.

But, to be fair, let’s look back at some of the numbers from the primaries, and re-examine the state of the race, rather than automatically assume the latest polling is gospel.

Let’s look at some of those Red State’s voting numbers and see how solid McCain’s lead actually is:

Alabama: Dem (540,021) - Rep (549,637)
Republicans outnumbered Democrats in the Alabama primary. I think it’s safe to say this is a McCain lock.

Arizona: Dem (451,887) - Rep (515,143)
Again, Republicans outnumbered Democrats in the home state of John McCain. This should be a “no-brainer” for the GOP, but Pollster still shows McCain’s lead a little over 5 points. Arizona hasn’t been all locked up by the GOP yet. Personally, I question if the Democrats have a chance in hell here, but the reality seems to be much more favorable than most people had imagined.

Arkansas: Dem (306,204) - Rep (213,503)
Arkansas Democrats were enthusiastic about Hillary, and Hillary could have one this state. Yet Pollster has McCain up by just over 7 points. I seriously question if Obama could garner the same support that Hillary enjoyed here.

Colorado: Dem (117,947) - Rep (51,175)
Democrats have made huge inroads in Colorado. But Pollster still has this state as statistically tied. We’ve seen evidence that Obama has enjoyed the narrowest of leads here, but no doubt that McCain has seen his support here on the rise. Obama should be able to energize everyone here and seal this much needed state up. But will that happen? Of all of the Red States that Obama has targeted, I think this state represents his best chance of flipping one Blue.

Florida: Dem (1,725,264) - Rep (1,858,287)
I’ve always said that this is a state tailor-made for a McCain win. Yet he hasn’t managed to seal the deal just yet. McCain’s lead averages less than 5 points here, even at this late date. While I’m personally skeptical that Florida can be flipped, I still think that McCain will win this state by a small margin.

Georgia: Dem (1,054,831) - Rep (930,615)
In theory, it appeared as though Obama had a fighting chance in this state. But since McCain has firmed up his base, it would be fair to conclude that McCain would have received more votes here had his base been 100% at the time of the primary. I think McCain will win here, but not by a landslide.

Indiana: Dem (1,274,993) - Rep (380,320)
This one still boggles my mind. McCain leads Obama on average by about 4 points. But we’ve seen the Indiana Democrats can show up to the polls, and can win in Indiana. I think Obama still has a shot here. Obviously Evan Bayh would have shored up Obama’s support in Indiana, and I think we’d be looking at a different race had that happened. I still think Indiana is a toss-up, although McCain now has a small lead here. It’s up to the Obama Campaign to figure out how to translate early Democratic voter enthusiasm into a state-wide win in November.

Idaho: Dem (60,762) - Rep (87,341)
Obama doesn’t have a prayer of a chance here.

Kansas: Dem (36,723) - Rep (16,962)
With popular Democratic Governor Kathleen Sebelius a firm Obama supporter, Kansas could be more competitive than it is right now. McCain is clobbering Obama here, now. I think this is one of those states that might have seen a diminished GOP turnout because local Republicans just weren’t sold on John McCain back in the spring. I think that’s all changed, now.

Kentucky: Dem (683,107) - Rep (171,437)
The numbers from our late primary are staggering, if a bit misleading. John McCain had locked up the GOP nomination by the time we voted in May. That suppressed Republican turnout. Hillary Clinton is wildly popular here. The urban areas went heavily for Obama, but the rest of the commonwealth went for Hillary is massive numbers.

Just to be clear, Democrats can win in Kentucky. We have a Democratic Governor, and Democrats outnumber Republicans by a large margin. But party loyalty isn’t as important as the candidate. Democrats here won’t shed a tear to cross party lines to vote for a candidate that they like.

And to this day, Obama has all but conceded Kentucky.

Louisiana: Dem (384,348) - Rep (151,071)
Don’t forget, Democrats picked up a House seat here that had been in GOP control for more than 30 years. Democrats could win in the Bayou State, but it would be tougher this cycle. There are still roughly 200,000 less people in New Orleans than were there four years ago, and New Orleans is heavily democratic. Still, McCain shouldn’t be winning by more than 15 points. But the reality is that this was a state that could have been a pick-up if Obama wanted to devote the effort to it.

Mississippi: Dem (571,822) - Rep (136,713)
I think this is another state that just wasn’t onboard with McCain at the time of the primary. He has shored up his base there and now leads by about 15 points. Still, Democrats picked up a House seat here earlier, and the Democratic candidate for US Senator remains competitive.

Missouri: Dem (820,145) - Rep (559,502)
Pollster still show’s McCain’s lead just over 5 points. All is not lost in Missouri, but it has now turned into an uphill battle. This is the ultimate swing state, and the question is “can Obama devote the time and money needed to win here?”

Montana: Dem (177, 165) - Rep (73,058)
Montana is one of those Western States that has seen a shift in demographics that now favors Democrats more than it did in the past. Pollster still shows McCain with only a 3 point lead here, although McCain seems to be increasing his lead in the latest polls.

The bottom line, McCain should be doing better here. I still believe this state could be picked off by the Democrats, should they wish to devote the time and money to doing it. This will force McCain to spend money here, money he might have otherwise spent in Michigan or Pennsylvania.

New Hampshire: Dem (284,104) - Rep (194,683)
Obama’s lead has completely shrunk here. McCain now enjoys a 2 point lead at Pollster. New Hampshire voters can change their mind, and have done so in the past. Still, this is a state that went with Pat Buchanan and John McCain in large numbers in the past. But the influx of Bostonians now living in Southern New Hampshire bodes well for an Obama pick-up, should he decide to actively contest this state. And I don’t think Obama can afford not to actively campaign here.

North Carolina: Dem (1,539, 287) - Rep (443,576)
I think this state bears watching for future election cycles. The demographic is changing to one more favorable to Democrats. The numbers are a bit deceiving, McCain had wrapped up the nomination by the time of the primary, and evangelicals had not rallied to McCain’s camp at the time. Still, while recent polls have not been so favorable for Obama, he still maintains just under a 5 point deficit at Pollster.

It would cost a lot of time and money to flip North Carolina today. It could happen, but the odds no longer seem favorable in this election cycle. Still, McCain is going to have to spend money here that could have been spent elsewhere.

Ohio: (2, 224,907) - Rep (1,013,249)
The ultimate swing state! Obviously Democrats can win here. If there ever was a time for a Democrat to win here, it would be in this election. Yet, McCain has managed a 2 point lead over at Pollster. The demographics heavily favored Hillary over Obama, but Obama could win here. Someone from the Obama Campaign should be in Portsmouth and Zanesville everyday from now until the election. Every single solitary day! Southern Ohio isn’t interested in going to a stadium to hear Obama speak. They want him to ring their door bell and come into the living room and sit down and discuss the issues.

An Obama win without Ohio is possible, but that path to the White House is much more tenuous than it would be with a win in Ohio. And frankly, Obama’s road to the White House without Ohio is looking less likely with each new poll.

Oklahoma: Dem (374,754) - Rep (320,905)
Obama shouldn’t be losing by 30 points here, but he is. This is a lost cause in Oklahoma. But, a Wesley Clark Veep might have shaken things up a bit.

South Carolina: Dem (532,227) - Rep (415,146)
Once, a possible Democratic pick-up, now a political long shot. McCain enjoys a lead of about 8 points over at Pollster. I think that might be as big of a lead that McCain gets here, even though he has shored up his base. Democrats are going to come out here to vote in huge numbers. But, now, so are the Republicans.

South Dakota: Dem (97,910) - Rep (49,162)
This is a state Obama tried real hard to win from Hillary. He fought hard here, and lost. McCain still only has a 5 point lead here over at Pollster. But I conclude that’s all he needs to win here.

Tennessee: Dem (615,600) - Rep (515,810)
Democrats can win here, just not this Democrat. McCain has a 15 point lead and that should hold until November 4th.

Utah: Dem (124,239) - Reps (276,243)
Were Salt Lake City to become a state we might have a chance here. But otherwise, why bother?

Virginia: Dem (980,382) - Rep (465,964)
McCain has stolen Obama’s lead and is now up by 4 points over at Pollster. Roanoke and Bristol are now enthusiastic about McCain. Voter registration will be key here, and this state could tighten up. Democrats have until 29 days before the November 4th election to register as many Democrats as possible, and get them to the polls.

If there ever was a time when a Democrat could win in Virginia, it would be now, and it would be with Obama. Someone from the Obama campaign must be in Richmond and Charlottesville and Arlington every day through the election. Every single day! Interestingly, Obama continues to do well in Southeast Virginia, in of all places Norfolk. But there is now going to be a surge in Republicans voting in Lynchburg, Roanoke, and Bristol.

Will Obama devote the time and money to winning this state? He’s only down by 3 points at Pollster. He would be foolish to not actively campaign here every single day.

West Virginia: Dem (357,241) - Rep (110,007)
This state is much like Kentucky. Democrats outnumber Republicans, but those Democrats will cross party lines and vote for who they like best. McCain has about an 11 point lead here, and Obama didn’t seriously campaign here in the primaries. A McCain win here is imminent.

Texas: Dem (2,910,992) - Rep (1,286,901) *primary votes, only
What a peculiar political animal, Texas is. They have a primary and a caucus. Bless their lil’ pea-picken’ hearts. McCain leads by 7 points here; hardly the blow-out one would expect. Democratic voters are on the rise, especially in the Houston area. I don’t think Obama can win here, not now, not this time.

And here is how I see the State of the Race, today …. And I think I’m being generous in counting Colorado & New Mexico in the Obama camp.


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The TRUE BATTLEGROUND STATES are : Colorado, New Mexico, Montana, Nevada, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, and New Hampshire.
I can’t envision an Obama win without Colorado and New Mexico. Ditto for Michigan, if Obama loses Michigan, he loses the election. I can’t see McCain winning if he loses Montana and Nevada. Ohio, Indiana, Virginia and New Hampshire will be tough battles. How long will McCain’s money take him? Will the price of campaigning in Indiana and Virginia cost him in Ohio & New Hampshire?

The debates will be crucial!
 

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Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

Great analysis, Snaps!
 
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And, Snapcat, you failed to mention Wisconsin. NBC's Chuck Todd said this morning on Meet the Press that it has become a tie, and the McCain folks are now going hard after it.

For me, I'm still watching the polls and digesting the new fallout, but it looks like the battlegrounds are going to be BLUE states and if Obama can hold onto them for dear life. What a difference a month makes, huh? We were looking before at red states and now it's the Wisconsin, Michigan, Washington, Minnestotas that will turn the race. I think Montana and Indiana are no longer even in the Obama conversation myself.


One new poll today:

MINNESOTA -- TIE -- Star Tribune -- Yep, this one-time liberal icon is now a tie. Is McCain getting a bounce from his convention being there just as Obama did in Colorado?
 
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