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A Gay Teen kills himself after being outed on the internet!

"The focal point of Clementi's tragic death should have been a boy's inability to deal with the hardships of life."

What???

They make Perez Hilton look honourable!!!
 
That Daily Targum editorial was a shameful expression of intolerance and lack of empathy for the victim and the feelings of his family. [strike]It's no wonder it was made anonymous, they couldn't bear to put their name to it so shameful they are of their own bigotry.[/strike]

It is good that the commentary below it heaps scorn on it.

Edit : Thanks to u-know-hu-u-r for telling me the author and editors. :kiss:
 
Safe space?

The very term is an admission of the hostile environment gay people live with.
 
It's not the people for gay rights we have to worry about. It' the bashers and bullies and bigots. What is it that is unclear about this?
 
The entire campus should be safe for everyone. Certainly people should be safe in their own dorm rooms! Tyler was not; that's why he's become a rallying point.

I can't believe people (especially Rutgers students; I thought they were supposed to be smart) are too stupid to see this.
 
Criostoir, intelligence comes in many forms though. I'm not surprised myself.
 
Críostóir said:
The entire campus should be safe for everyone. Certainly people should be safe in their own dorm rooms! Tyler was not; that's why he's become a rallying point.

I can't believe people (especially Rutgers students; I thought they were supposed to be smart) are too stupid to see this.
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we are a smart bunch...but in every handful there's always one bad seed...or 2
 
Críostóir said:
A disgusting editorial in The Daily Targum (Rutgers' newspaper). The cluelessness of the editorial is beyond amazing. That some people can aspire to the title of 'journalist' is astonishing.

Go there, read it, and comment. This paper needs to know how disgusted we are by this.
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Its an editorial - be definition an opinion piece - so different standards of journalism apply. Editors can be clueless - trust me, I work for some - bu the same writer may have written in a very different way had this been an article.

Lost in the questionable points in there, however, I something I can't entirely disagree with. We don't know that Tyler's suicide was caused by lack of safety for gays at Rutgers in a general sense. We assume he felt unsafe after the events that happened, but (playing devil's advocate) that could have been due only to his roommate, the dorm supervisor (or whatever the title is in the US), and his immediate situation, and NOT a school-wide general issue.

I'm not saying that I know one way or the other, just that it may or may not be a systemic issue. One isolated incident can be just that, one isolated incident.

Ultimately I think the author is way off base on this one, certainly in spirit if not also in fact. But it is possible that this is more a story about a stress-out kid being pushed over the edge by an asshole roommate than it is a story about unsafe schools. We will likely never know what the proverbial straw was for Tyler. I do hope we find out more details of the events, including the actions and reactions of those around him.
 
altlover85 said:
What I got from that is that this guy feels like there are enough safe spaces and feels that that is why people are outraged. I would say people are outraged at the lack of privacy some people have and the fact that homophobia is still an issue.

What I'm saying is that the author missed the point. See above.
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I agree and would go a step further - the author of the ed seems to think that having "a safe space" means the whole school is safe.
 
Críostóir said:
A disgusting editorial in The Daily Targum (Rutgers' newspaper). The cluelessness of the editorial is beyond amazing. That some people can aspire to the title of 'journalist' is astonishing.

Go there, read it, and comment. This paper needs to know how disgusted we are by this.
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What bugs me about the article most is the repeated use of the words "boy" and "kid." Mr. Tyler Clementi was neither at the time of his passing. :mad:

Only a juvenile could insist on that last indignity.
 
boy, that language sounds familiar...

the editorial is a example of immaturity.

The author is embarrassed. Clearly, Rutgers students are more used to positive press coverage. Bullying is a junior high school issue, not one for an elite institution.

The author is pissed. Why should he/she be blamed for what happened between two roommates, a friend and some ichat friends. Clearly, he/she is not suited for a leadership position on campus.

And so, in a fit of pique, he/she blames the media (how handy - who likes the media) and evil gay activists for all their woes. And they end up looking like a bunch of kids saying, "it's not our fault, they did it!" - pointing everywhere.

Leadership means staying calm when the shit hits the fan. Get out in front, express normal human compassion for an 18 years olds tragic death, and try to be part of a solution.

But please, don't whine.
 
Um, in the first moments of the pilot for Glee, Kurt was shown being thrown in a dumpster by the football players. The show has been about bullying, being different, celebrating that difference in the face of adversity, and being true to yourself from the very beginning. They've even said that last year's major storyline was teen pregnancy, and this year it would focus a lot on Kurt's journey.

Any light that can be shed on this topic and possibly save even one life or cause people to stand up for others is a good thing.
 
altlover85 said:
FOF and NOM would be looking at JUB? Say it ain't so?
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LOL. You know what I mean. We just don't need that division in the community right now. The Right is gonna win this fall (you know they will with this economy!) and this kind of division over a tragedy only strengthens their resolve. Besides, there are closet cases in FOF and NOM so why wouldn't they look here? [grin]
 
groundlevel said:
It's everyone else that apparently can not (or will not) move on.
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How I just love people who try to redefine things like "moving on" or "last post". Anyway - we made sure that he won't derail this thread any more, if he can move on is a different question.
I ask you all to move on though - this started as a thread about condolences, grief and people looking for explanations and solutions. I tried to clean the recent stuff a bit up, but it is quite difficult without destroying too much. I had to remove quite a few good and thoughtful answers in the process, and a few other things might now seem out of context - please don't let this aggravate or irritate you and let us move on.

Thanks.
 
Críostóir said:
The entire campus should be safe for everyone. Certainly people should be safe in their own dorm rooms! Tyler was not; that's why he's become a rallying point.

I can't believe people (especially Rutgers students; I thought they were supposed to be smart) are too stupid to see this.
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Great point.
 
operafan said:
News today:



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20018868-504083.html
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That's great. Maybe we will get some insight into what happened in the few hours before his death.

I noticed how the University was trying to hide behind federal student privacy laws in not answering the media's questions. I wonder if they were doing the same with prosecutors. Certainly the University has lawyers that will advise them that it's long standing case law that the right of privacy ends at death. In any case, a court has the power to order release of the records so the privacy ending at death is a moot point.
 
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