All lives matter

[gsdx]

fixed.

Indeed. Fixed like taking a can of spray paint to the Mona Lisa.

 

[SeaCore]

^ Actually, I was mocking the jubber who first posted that "fixed" but, most importantly about your comment, I am already way above boredom to witness how people end up judging about the logic and fairness of whatever is said, according to who said it. So your logic amounts that one could never reason more accurately than some black person about racism against the black, unless one is a black person oneself. Which amounts to saying that white people only have a retainer's role in all that, and that it is not about logical fairness but, ultimately, about a mere clash between groups.

By implying that nobody is entitled to correct a black person, therefore, focusing on the (supposed) skin color of who is talking, you are not helping much to the equality cause.

Well, in my case, it may come down from my peculiar genetic heritage (am I not some sort of "light brownie", after all ) , but this ultimately proves that this is not so much about reasoning as about feelings: how could it be otherwise, when politics and masses are implied.

You extrapolated a lot about my supposed view point. You're not correct.

 

[belamyi]

^ Oh, ok, sorry: that was exactly what I thought that you had done with mine.

 

[gsdx]

By implying that nobody is entitled to correct a black person, therefore, focusing on the (supposed) skin color of who is talking, you are not helping much to the equality cause.

Anybody and everybody is "entitled" to comment on someone's post. Nothing in this world entitles them to quote that post and rewrite it to suit their agenda.

 

[SeaCore]

^ Oh, ok, sorry: that was exactly what I thought that you had done with mine.

I said it bothered me. I didn't comment on anything about your intent or views.

 

[bendted]

"Colored people" isn't an ugly word.

Are you sure about that? Several posters ripped him a new asshole for using those words.

 

[rareboy]

I am bothered by how you are both literally rewording and claiming to understand better the nature of racism to the only openly Black voice in this thread.
It reads to me as incredibly condescending; quoting, editing, and then saying 'fixed'.

It was the the height of arrogance and a perfect illustration of the foundations of the problem.

 

[belamyi]

^ You mean what he did, or what the other posters did?

 

[gsdx]

^ You mean what he did, or what the other posters did?

No. What he did and what YOU did.

 

[belamyi]

No. What he did and what YOU did.

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^ Actually, I was mocking the jubber who first posted that "fixed" but, most importantly about your comment, I am already way above boredom to witness how people end up judging about the logic and fairness of whatever is said, according to who said it. So your logic amounts that one could never reason more accurately than some black person about racism against the black, unless one is a black person oneself. Which amounts to saying that white people only have a retainer's role in all that, and that it is not about logical fairness but, ultimately, about a mere clash between groups.

By implying that nobody is entitled to correct a black person, therefore, focusing on the (supposed) skin color of who is talking, you are not helping much to the equality cause.

Well, in my case, it may come down from my peculiar genetic heritage (am I not some sort of "light brownie", after all ) , but this ultimately proves that this is not so much about reasoning as about feelings: how could it be otherwise, when politics and masses are implied.

Oh, you mean this.

 

[Telstra]

^ Yes, All Lives Matter, but many people don't have to be as concerned about their lives as others who face it every single day.

Not true, there are white people killed unjusticely by the police.
The whole system is all broken. It is better to fix the whole system rather than 1 single part which is BLM.

 

[mcbrion]

I stopped reading this thread after reading the responses to Flamingo/Anthony, who is - to me - a young man just finding his "feet" in the world. So, I didn't care bout his use of the word "colored." Not a word I myself would use, but I understand it: if you don't have white skin, your skin has a color to it. So, no biggie for me.

Most of the posters on here have good intentions: I can see that. Lets not get lost in the use of phrases and concentrate a bit more on intent. One or two people want THEIR statement to override mine. At that point, this:

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Heck, one of my friends has those tendencies and even with him (and I'm watching him from behind my eyeballs), he dodges all evidence and arguments presented to him like a skier on a slope. I don't waste my time with him on that subject much, because he is, essentially, a decent person. It's just that the nuances escape him (as they do SO many people).


As for Belamo's statement that "no one gets to correct the Black guy": I'm of two minds about that, but certainly people have the right to their input, and to argue with his way of seeing things is more writing than even me - the VERY long-winded guy- cares to do. So, I'm not offended, but I see holes in that thinking. It's an intellectual argument he presents, and I'm more pragmatic, having to live with this stuff on a daily basis.

This was about Anthony, and while I've never met him, I get a sense a lot of this is new to him (he's only 21 now (or soon to be)), so that's what this thread is about for me. I'm not playing God here, although I'll admit to a considerable amount of authority on the subject but I think we are, most of us, on the same page. This is about integrity, honorableness, fairness to the Big Picture. And I appreciate everything most of you have written. And I really appreciate your intent, whether it is slightly different than mine or not. Thanks. WON'T be commenting again on this, because, if we were all face to face, it would be easier (and quicker, body language being an important part of communication!) to resolve things. But endless typing? Ugh. My fingers ache typing even this much. Thanks for your comments.

 

[belamyi]

As for belamo's statement that no one can correct the Black guy: I'm of two minds about that, but certainly people have the right to their input, and to argue with his way of seeing things is more writing than even me - the VERY long-winded guy- cares to do. So, I'm not offended, but I see holes in that thinking.

I see holes everywhere, it's good that you are able to see them too... even when they are just reflections

And I know the feeling of being caught in the wrong moment to care to fully develop one's thoughts... I have cared enough about this sort of threads lately myself

 

[TX-Beau]

Not true, there are white people killed unjusticely by the police.
The whole system is all broken. It is better to fix the whole system rather than 1 single part which is BLM.

Not true, just pretty much bunk actually. Unless the Aussie cops are routinely murdering White Australians for petty things, in which case, you have a problem. That's not what's happening here.

This isn't a new development, the new development is tiny cameras in everyone's pockets, the system in fact is not at all broken, it's doing exactly what it has ALWAYS done most efficiently, protect the people and property it was designed to protect.

 

[voltronforce]

As a former college ACLU chapter president and gay man let me just say that racism is a major problem in the LGBTQ community and this thread is a case in point and everyone knows it.

 

[flamingo]

Lets talk about the political aspect of this. When Barack Obama was elected President (I was 9 at the time ), many thought that race relations would take a turn for the better. We still had riots and racial tensions following confrontations with police, which tells me that the party or race of the sitting President doesn't matter a great deal. In our big cities, where much of the tension has been boiling over recently, Democrats have been in charge for decades. Many of the mayors are Black, city council members are Black, even many of the police chiefs are Black. Black citizens overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. So why is there so much strife? What needs to change in our cities?

In Presidential elections, Blacks usually vote 90-95% in favor of the Democrat candidate. However, when it comes to "all lives matter", the Republican Party's track record isn't very good, either. The LGBT community despises Christian conservative Republicans for the hatred they have for us as a group. I don't need to get into Donald Trump. Many groups have their reasons for not supporting him. But, the guy who wants to replace him, an increasingly incoherent Joe Biden, has a long history of stupid and offensive comments about Blacks and others.

When it comes to racial harmony, I see no help on the horizon from our politicians. Democrat or Republican! So, where do we go from here? As I type this I'm watching the live coverage of the burning of a Wendy's in Atlanta following a shooting and protest. What the fuck are we doing to ourselves?

 

[TX-Beau]

Lets talk about the political aspect of this. When Barack Obama was elected President (I was 9 at the time ), many thought that race relations would take a turn for the better. We still had riots and racial tensions following confrontations with police, which tells me that the party or race of the sitting President doesn't matter a great deal. In our big cities, where much of the tension has been boiling over recently, Democrats have been in charge for decades. Many of the mayors are Black, city council members are Black, even many of the police chiefs are Black. Black citizens overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. So why is there so much strife? What needs to change in our cities?

In Presidential elections, Blacks usually vote 90-95% in favor of the Democrat candidate. However, when it comes to "all lives matter", the Republican Party's track record isn't very good, either. The LGBT community despises Christian conservative Republicans for the hatred they have for us as a group. I don't need to get into Donald Trump. Many groups have their reasons for not supporting him. But, the guy who wants to replace him, an increasingly incoherent Joe Biden, has a long history of stupid and offensive comments about Blacks and others.

When it comes to racial harmony, I see no help on the horizon from our politicians. Democrat or Republican! So, where do we go from here? As I type this I'm watching the live coverage of the burning of a Wendy's in Atlanta following a shooting and protest. What the fuck are we doing to ourselves?

The protestors have been pushing a whole bunch of ideas from the get go, you might try and go listen to them - or is that too much effort?

 

[Dominus]

Here is a very good read on this topic.

Dear White People: If You Have Ever Said Any Of These Things Then You Are Part Of The Problem (Milwaukee Independent; June 21, 2020)

 

[flamingo]

I have been listening to the protesters. Unfortunately, the peaceful voices calling for change seem to get drowned out by the more militant factions who are more interested in mayhem and vandalism, which makes it more difficult for more people to rally around the movement. As more fires get set, more monuments get destroyed, and more demands to eliminate police departments as crime rates are soaring, it makes many folks (Blacks included) want to turn away from BLM. You cannot spray paint your way to justice, whatever you think that may be. What exactly is justice, and how will we know when that is achieved?

In my previous post, I addressed the political aspect of this and no one touched it. I think those are questions that must be answered.

 

[TX-Beau]

I have been listening to the protesters. Unfortunately, the peaceful voices calling for change seem to get drowned out by the more militant factions who are more interested in mayhem and vandalism, which makes it more difficult for more people to rally around the movement. As more fires get set, more monuments get destroyed, and more demands to eliminate police departments as crime rates are soaring, it makes many folks (Blacks included) want to turn away from BLM. You cannot spray paint your way to justice, whatever you think that may be. What exactly is justice, and how will we know when that is achieved?

In my previous post, I addressed the political aspect of this and no one touched it. I think those are questions that must be answered.

If you've been listening to the protestors, the vas majority of whom did so peacefully, and never were what you are trying to portray, then you'll be able to tell us all what was in the House bill, and what wasn't, what the Senate is willing to do and what they aren't. If you can't - which is what I suspect, since you've never bothered bring any of it up, then no, you haven't been listening at all, you've been puffing up in reactionary, partisan dudgeon without bothering to listen.

You didn't ask anything political, you invented an issue you thought was going to pass as political, to pursue what looks like pointless bitchery, and in effect is just bullshit.

Such is life.