On-Topic Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

[xbuzzerx]

I would hate to live in the world of some of those that post on this forum. In that fantasy world there is either their way or nihilism, which of course everyone correctly identifies as elitism.

Nowhere in this forum have I stated I am anti-immigration. I will state that I am against people breaking the laws of our country for any reason. It is unfortunate that these people have failed to make a success of their native country. I cannot see where that is any fault of any citizen of the U.S. Well maybe the U.S. citizens that are drug addicts are to blame for some of it.

I keep hearing about tearing families apart and denying people employment. The facts are the families would be intact if the respective father or mother or other family member did not CHOOSE to leave. As to the other point, perhaps if they stayed in their own country and worked to build it in some constructive way they would have employment.

No one is against immigration. Most Americans are against people breaking our laws and coming here and then demanding we change our laws to suit them specifically. Most Americans are against another foreign country, even a neighbor, trying to manipulate our laws to soften our sovereignty.

I say enforce the laws already on the books vigorously. That should lessen the problem significantly. The funds could be diverted from social programs which should have less strain if these people were not here or were complying with the laws fully.

Another viable solution would be to simply absorb Mexico as a protectorate. That way U.S. sovereignty would remain in tact. Mexico would have to give up its sovereignty. They shouldn't have a problem with that because that is what they have wanted from us for years.

This post is full of completely unfounded assertions, like that someone is proposing rewriting laws to 'support' illegal immigration or the equally unsupported assertion you and others have made that illegals come here and suck off social services without contributing.

 

[Rolyo85]

It seems to me that if the citizens choose to elect representatives that do no limit immigration, the absence of limitation becomes a demonstration of the will of the citizens. The fact that a minority of citizens may disagree with that course of action is noteworthy, but in our representative form of government elected representatives are expected to fulfill the will of the people. In any case, we are debating a hypothetical, because the law currently limits immigration.

How the United States Immigration System Works: A Fact Sheet (Immigration Policy Center)

In Benvolio World (aka Bizzaro World) ALL the illegal immigrants voter fraud their way into making legislation against the poor Americans with the help of the white-aborting, US-hating Party of Democratic Doom and Despair.

This is the dramatized version...

 

[Durango95]

The US Customs and Border Protection's budget in 2012 was $11.7 billion.

'Incredible' border security spending lauded by Napolitano​

When those here illegally are already costing the U.S. taxpayers a conservative estimate of $100 billion dollars a year, the border security budget is too small.

 

[xbuzzerx]

In Benvolio World (aka Bizzaro World) ALL the illegal immigrants voter fraud their way into making legislation against the poor Americans with the help of the white-aborting, US-hating Party of Democratic Doom and Despair.

This is the dramatized version...

They also can walk into every office for every form of welfare services and get them without any documentation of any kind.

 

[maxpowr9]

They also can walk into every office for every form of welfare services and get them without any documentation of any kind.

All you need to do is blackmail them with deportation and they shut up.

 

[xbuzzerx]

When those here illegally are already costing the U.S. taxpayers a conservative estimate of $100 billion dollars a year, the border security budget is too small.

I question that figure and where you source it, but assuming we accept it, what is the value of their contribution to the economy? You always leave that half out of the discussion.

 

[opinterph]

In Benvolio World (aka Bizzaro World) ALL the illegal immigrants voter fraud their way into making legislation against the poor Americans with the help of the white-aborting, US-hating Party of Democratic Doom and Despair.

This is the dramatized version...

I don't see where Benvolio has mentioned “voter fraud” in this thread.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I don't see where Benvolio has mentioned “voter fraud” in this thread.

Implying that Democrats want to enable lots of illegal immigration because it helps them politically directly implies that illegal immigrants are somehow voting.

 

[HenryReardon]

. The 20 billion dollars being sent back is beneficial to both countries because of the close partnership between both nations.

k.

That is total nonsense and cannot be supported.

 

[HenryReardon]

It's very clearly supported. Read the rest of my post!

w.

Supported? Hardly. There wasn't a single link to anything in that post.

 

[HenryReardon]

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Undocumented immigrants contribute far more to than they cost this country..

Illegal immigrants cost the US $112 billion per year. Here are some state by state studies:

http://www.fairus.org/issues/publications/state-cost-studies

 

[xbuzzerx]

I'm still waiting for our resident right wingers instead of repeatedly citing biased sources about the "cost" of immigrants to show a comparative stat for what they contribute to the economy.

Repeatedly shrieking some bloated figure over and over about their "cost" without examining what they contribute is as worthless as pulling out a number of what gets spent on native borns for every service they use-- roads, schools, hospitals, food stamps, medicare, medicaid, etc., without talking about what they contribute.

 

[HenryReardon]

http://www.americanprogress.org/iss...2/07/06/11888/the-facts-on-immigration-today/



Go ahead... lets deport them... and fuck up the economy beyond belief.

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Sorry, but your left wing think tank organization has zero credibilty.

Go ahead and send all 12 or 20 million illegals packing. Let's free up some jobs for Americans.

What part of "they broke the law getting here" do you fail to comprehend?

If a burglar broke into your house, would you feed and clothe him and take care of his family as well? I don't think so.

 

[HenryReardon]

Nobody is breaking into anyones house. And they are getting their own places and contributing $260+ billion to the economy every year, so they are paying for their own way. Nice argument. Fails miserably.

Oh and what about children who were brought here undocumented? Shall we kick them out? Nice argument... lol.

ng.

What part of "they broke the law by coming here illegaly" do you fail to comprehend?

And the LA Times, a certifably liberal rag, has this to say:

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/05/local/la-me-illegal-welfare-20100906

 

[opinterph]

Illegal immigrants cost the US $112 billion per year. Here are some state by state studies:

http://www.fairus.org/issues/publications/state-cost-studies

Federation for American Immigration Reform’s Hate Filled Track Record

Editor’s Note: After issuing this report in December 2007, the Southern Poverty Law Center added the Federation for American Immigration Reform to its list of hate groups.

When those here illegally are already costing the U.S. taxpayers a conservative estimate of $100 billion dollars a year, the border security budget is too small.

A Critique of the Federation for American Immigration Reform’s “The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers”​

 

[xbuzzerx]

The historical revisionism going on here is amazing. I'm sure a minority of all white people presently residing in the United States and born here have relatives who all came here with permission and proper paperwork.

 

[chrisrobin]

Implying that Democrats want to enable lots of illegal immigration because it helps them politically directly implies that illegal immigrants are somehow voting.

Back in the time, when debate over 18-year-olds being allowed to vote was at its apex, the Republicons were adamantly opposing it. Reason? It was assumed that the youngins would be voting Democratic. Not.

Here in the Land of Lincoln, a proposal to allow those doing business at the DMV to register to vote, AKA the "Motor Voter" plan - to make voting easier. Needless to say, Motor Voter lives, and the Republicons in Illinois can go eat some shit. (They do anyway).

Bottom line: Republicons don't want anyone to vote if they have the audacity to vote Democratic. I'm confused. When we register to vote, we need to verify our citizenship. I don't understand the problem. Another strawman argument fabricated by the Republicons?

 

[opinterph]

http://cis.org/node/3876

CIS: The "Independent" Think Tank

CIS was started in 1985 by a Michigan ophthalmologist named John Tanton — a man known for his racist statements about Latinos, his decades-long flirtation with white nationalists and Holocaust deniers, and his publication of ugly racist materials. CIS' creation was part of a carefully thought-out strategy aimed at creating a set of complementary institutions to cultivate the nativist cause — groups including the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and NumbersUSA.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I'm facing my palm so hard right now. These are the sources people cite while screeching that we're products of a left wing think tank.

 

[HenryReardon]

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, the Southern Poverty Law Center added the Federation for American Immigration Reform to its list of hate groups

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The Southern Poverty Law Center? Really? A racist group calling someone else a hate group!!! That's too funny.