On-Topic Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

[Rolyo85]

Even if that were true, and it arguably is not, (BTW, you've provided absolutely no reliable proof to the contrary)the fact remains that the illegals have broken our laws in coming here. Nothing else matters. Nothing. Send them back where they came from,and if they really want to come to this country, let them attempt to do so through channels. No other argument matters. Not one.

Their children haven't broken any laws though.

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Even if that were true, and it arguably is not, (BTW, you've provided absolutely no reliable proof to the contrary)the fact remains that the illegals have broken our laws in coming here. Nothing else matters. Nothing. Send them back where they came from,and if they really want to come to this country, let them attempt to do so through channels. No other argument matters. Not one.

Yes, some immigrants are committing a crime by illegally entering America.

But how can we stop them all? Shooting them on sight?

Nope. Even the US couldn't get away with that shit.

Maybe we should build a wall?

Oh yeah - China and Germany tried that and failed.

Perhaps we should readjust our laws to make sure that foreigners can legally move and reside in our country, so they can positively contribute to society? One way or another, if a foreigner wants to escape an oppressive country, they will find a way here. Thousands of Cubans have traversed 90 miles of shark-infested waters just to make it to the shores of Florida, risking death rather than living under the boot of Castro for one more day. Thousands of Mexicans risk life and limb crossing miles of desert and the hazardous waters of the Rio Grande to get here, or spend all their savings to pay "Coyotes" to sneak them past the border. I'd say those people really, truly wanted to live in America in the hopes of something better - just like the Puritans and the British Colonists did.

 

[Benvolio]

False on all counts. I have provided solid evidence and proof showing how they are essential. We're talking about $2.6 trillion over the next ten years that would be wiped out. It means absolutely everything. The economy would fall back into a deep recession. Having a contraction in the GDP at that level would lead to a severe recession. sending people back to where they came from is nothing more than a xenophobic response and isn't how the real world works.

Better to have a nation with more open borders... a nation with closed borders is a dying nation. The Chinese closed off their civilization and it led once great Empires to total decline.

And yes, plenty of other arguments matter... just not the one that you have posted here which is absolutely meaningless.

The problem here is right wingers are scared that they are becoming an ever decreasing minority of the constituency. Their screwball candidates can no longer win. It's a scary prospect. Romney won the same percentage of white voters as Reagan did... one won in a landslide and the other lost big time. Scary for the right wing these days... not like I give a shit. I hope this nation becomes 40-50% Latino in 20 years, and the Republicans go out the same way as the Whigs. Yeah, all the brown people hating the GOP does will go out the window.

So, what latin country do you think we should be like? Mexico perhaps with its huge crime problem. Venezuela? El Salvadore? Which country has a first world economy? Which has a median income more than, say, a third of ours? Which has had a democracy more than 10 years--one party "democracies" don't count.
You and I agree on only one thing. If I were emigrating, I would want to go an English speaking country, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, US. Like you, I would not choose a Latino one.

 

[xbuzzerx]

So, what latin country do you think we should be like? Mexico perhaps with its huge crime problem. Venezuela? El Salvadore? Which country has a first world economy? Which has a median income more than, say, a third of ours? Which has had a democracy more than 10 years--one party "democracies" don't count.
You and I agree on only one thing. If I were emigrating, I would want to go an English speaking country, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, US. Like you, I would not choose a Latino one.

... what?

I don't even understand the point of this rant.

 

[Benvolio]

... what?

I don't even understand the point of this rant.

I was responding to Giancarlo's eager prediction of a Latino majority .

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

... what?

I don't even understand the point of this rant.

Here you go, buzzer - this should adequately convey your confusion:

 

[Kulindahr]

Even if that were true, and it arguably is not, (BTW, you've provided absolutely no reliable proof to the contrary)the fact remains that the illegals have broken our laws in coming here. Nothing else matters. Nothing. Send them back where they came from,and if they really want to come to this country, let them attempt to do so through channels. No other argument matters. Not one.

Maybe in right-wingnut pseudo-conservative la-la-land.

Ideally, you're right. But government is supposed to benefit its citizens, not do them harm -- and to round up all the illegals and ship them off would do immense harm to many citizens. The illegals must be penalized, but not in a fashion that harms citizens. Thus the sensible solution is penalties in place; the best approach would be fines which could be paid into an untouchable principal Medicare endowment fund or something.

 

[HenryReardon]

Ideally, you're right. But government is supposed to benefit its citizens, not do them harm -- and to round up all the illegals and ship them off would do immense harm to many citizens. .

"immense harm to citizens?" I rather doubt it. It would free up millions of jobs Millions. Perhaps some of the millions of able bodied citizens currently receiving welfare could be 'encouraged' to take those jobs. It would be a win win situation for Americans.

 

[HenryReardon]

". Those jobs are not wanted by citizens. And if citizens were to take them they would demand higher wages and benefits... suddenly food prices would increase sharply..

"Not wanted by citizens?" That is where the bullshit appears. That is a total liberal conceit.
If citizens take the jobs and prices do eventually rise as a result, it's more than a bit hypocritical of you to complain.
On the other hand, it is a fact that some jobs are only worth so much. People who are hungry will take them. Of course, they might have to be weaned from the government teat first, but that too, would be a good thing.

 

[HenryReardon]

. The jobs are not going to be filled by citizens..

You cannot know that, because it is impossible to prove.
Send the illegals home and see what happens.

 

[HenryReardon]

Get some real proof, and I have already provided the evidence. How is it impossible to prove? Go and apply for one of those jobs then!

You have provided zero evidence of anything, let alone the topic at hand.
There's no way to prove that Americans will do those jobs until the illegals are gone and the jobs become vacant. And maybe not until the Government welfare teat runs dry.
Why would I apply for one of them? I don't need a job.

 

[Benvolio]

What the heck? What's the point and where is the evidence? I'm not talking about El Salvador. By the way, anyone could bring up Costa Rica and render your whole argument moot. Nobody cares about the xenophobia that is evident in that country. People made the same old ridiculous claims about Italy. Why allow those Italians into the US? They are from a country that has an unstable government and periods of dictatorship! Italians at one point were discriminated the same way... even called wops and dirty.

Same f-king shit, different day.

English speaking countries are not that stable. I would choose a Latino one any day. They have more culture... and nobody cares what country one would choose to go to. Get something real please.

Costa Rica has been democratic for a very long time and doesn't even have a standing military. They abolished it. Maybe the US could learn a thing or two.

You cheerfully predicted that the US would be another Latino majority country, so my questions are appropriate. It is easy to to say you would choose a Latino country. But, given the choice, you did not. You actions belie your words.

 

[Benvolio]

Oh total nonsense. There is actual proof for what I have said. I would given the choice, and look at where I live... so spare me this bullshit. That attempt to pick at my credibility is so weak and pathetic.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/ne...ity-us-population-by-2043-census-bureau-says/

In California whites already lost the majority status.

Such a weak, feeble personal attack... seeing as those weak, xenophobic attacks are TYPICAL. And what fucking questions? I didn't see any valid ones.

You and all those untold millions of Latinos are here because you fled your failed Latino countries in favor of an infinitely more successful English speaking country. You actions belie your words.

 

[CowboyBob]

You and all those untold millions of Latinos are here because you fled your failed Latino countries in favor of an infinitely more successful English speaking country. You actions belie your words.

Racist comment.

 

[maxpowr9]

Racist comment.

There is some validity to his comment like any racist stereotype but it is still uncalled.

 

[CowboyBob]

There is some validity to his comment like any racist stereotype but it is still uncalled.

Spin it all you want, but it was a racist comment. He makes them all the time.

 

[Benvolio]

No, Latino is not a race. It is a culture. Giancarlo started the discussion when he first predicted the triumph of the Latino invasion. Why did you not object to that as racist? Why is it racist, in your mind, only when it is pro American?

 

[maxpowr9]

No, Latino is not a race. It is a culture. Giancarlo started the discussion when he first predicted the triumph of the Latino invasion. Why did you not object to that as racist? Why is it racist, in your mind, only when it is pro American?

I am still butthurt over the fact that I got a 3 on the AP Spanish language exam and did not count towards college credit.

¿Está contento?

 

[HenryReardon]

. Americans would never take those jobs. .

Your often shown chart is merely an attempt at dissembling and has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
It's just the same old nonsense about which state gives more than it gets and had zero to do with anything.

 

[xbuzzerx]

You and all those untold millions of Latinos are here because you fled your failed Latino countries in favor of an infinitely more successful English speaking country. You actions belie your words.

You mean like how Germans, Irish, Italians, English, Scandinavians, Russians, Ukranians, European Jews, Dutch and every manner of European working class people fled the cesspools of their home countries during the industrial revolution?

No, Latino is not a race. It is a culture. Giancarlo started the discussion when he first predicted the triumph of the Latino invasion. Why did you not object to that as racist? Why is it racist, in your mind, only when it is pro American?

If you want to get technical there are no "races" at all, only the human race. But for the purposes of political discussion, and race in that context is always socially constructed, they are a race or a separate ethnic group treated as a stand alone race on virtually any official form today in the United States.

So what's your point?