Apple introduces iOS4 & iPhone 4

[braex27]

Anybody else fucking loath the way Apple talks about its products? It is like these developers are mid-way between an Orgasm and a Divine Revelation.

I’m still trying to cope with Jobs calling the iPad “magical.” I kept waiting for it to morph into a unicorn.

Yes, the iPhone is wonderful, now it is made of slightly better products and it has video calling. A feature they could have easily added to the original iPhone (just like they could have added it to the iPad and, supposedly included the unutilized port space for it), they just chose not to because they knew that the iZombies would line up around the block to buy the “next version” with slightly new features year after year after fucking year…

I swear, some people have more money than brains.

*zips up his fly*

Well, my work here is done.

Yes. I like their stuff but OMG, if I have to hear about how beautiful, magical, revelatory their stuff is, I will spew. For crying out loud, it's a gadget. It will not save a life. It will not save the world. Get over it.

Also WHY are they excited about video chatting? Australia had phones capable of video chats years ago, and no one really took it up. Everyone who video chatted looked like complete dorks walking down the street with their phones in front of them!!

I am looking forward to multitasking in iOS4. That's it.

 

[Paws]

1. Apparently it's the second time their breaking patents

They're, not their

 

[braex27]

1. Apparently it's the second time their breaking patents by Cisco. The latter already had a dispute with Apple over the term "iPhone" and settled that both can use it, now Apple uses the term "iOS", which is also already owned by Cisco.

2. AmigaOS has multitasking since 1985, for Windows it was introduced in 1995, now Apple calls it an innovation in 2010.

3. The new iPhone design looks like the Sony Ericsson K750.

Actually, they apparently reached an agreement with Cisco before using iOS, this time. Hehehe. There's very little that can't be achieved by throwing bucket loads of money at it. Hehe.

 

[andysayshi]

1. Apparently it's the second time their breaking patents by Cisco. The latter already had a dispute with Apple over the term "iPhone" and settled that both can use it, now Apple uses the term "iOS", which is also already owned by Cisco.

2. AmigaOS has multitasking since 1985, for Windows it was introduced in 1995, now Apple calls it an innovation in 2010.

3. The new iPhone design looks like the Sony Ericsson K750.

1. Cisco stole the name from a Greek island.

2. The Amiga ran off mains power and weighed about 10kgs, not counting the monitor or peripherals. The iPhone weighs 183 grams and can play video continuously for 10 hours without being plugged into a wall. One photo taken in an iPhone wouldn't fit in the 512Kb of RAM in an Amiga 500. They are hardly comparable devices.

The innovation is in its implementation - rather than just run applications blindly on top of each other, Apple have built a system of background multi-threading that conserves battery life and RAM requirements while maintaining the user experience of multitasking. If you've ever left a few apps running in an Android phone for an hour and found your battery nearly flat you'll appreciate the distinction.

3. At a stretch, maybe. But much thicker, and plastic.

 

[andysayshi]

I suspect for most who jailbreak it's more of a game - this is nice but I can make it better and they enjoy the back-and-forth of batting it back and forth with Apple as they jailbreak, gets reset, new jailbreak, etc.

Of course most people don't jailbreak. They just use it. I'm in that category, even though I'm quite certain I could manage a jailbreak well enough - I'm satisfied with it as is.

Exactly right. Jailbreaking is geek entertainment, nothing more. I've tried it, ruined the reliability and phone user experience.

 

[andysayshi]

Also WHY are they excited about video chatting? Australia had phones capable of video chats years ago, and no one really took it up. Everyone who video chatted looked like complete dorks walking down the street with their phones in front of them!!

The distinction is how they've built it: from the ground up as an open standard. FaceTime is a new open standard that can be implemented into any device, any OS, so long as it adheres to the standard. Unlike closed systems like Skype or Microsoft's video messaging, it can be used by anyone, has defined standards for data rates and quality so it will offer a quality user experience wherever it's used, and can even be embedded into web pages, HTML-based TV interfaces etc. (Just like TVs and DVD players are starting to have online YouTube capabilities, for example, it has the capability to include standardised video chat in your TV, your laptop, your phone, anything you like.) In this first implementation it seems like any other video chat, but it has massive future potential.

 

[braex27]

The distinction is how they've built it: from the ground up as an open standard. FaceTime is a new open standard that can be implemented into any device, any OS, so long as it adheres to the standard. Unlike closed systems like Skype or Microsoft's video messaging, it can be used by anyone, has defined standards for data rates and quality so it will offer a quality user experience wherever it's used, and can even be embedded into web pages, HTML-based TV interfaces etc. (Just like TVs and DVD players are starting to have online YouTube capabilities, for example, it has the capability to include standardised video chat in your TV, your laptop, your phone, anything you like.) In this first implementation it seems like any other video chat, but it has massive future potential.

Hence my confusion about excitement over that particular functionality (most likely because it was the most graphically representative function). A huge chunk of the iPhone 4 video on Apple's website was devoted to this functionality as it stands now which is pure video chat. There was little reference to potential future application.

I just don't see it as the revelatory function that they push it to be. I also see that the video chat functionality would (necessarily) be useless if I am calling a friend who does not have an iPhone running iOS4 (the majority) or someone who hasn't got a phone capable of video calls (also the majority).

Anyway, as with all things of this nature time will tell... and Apple does have a good track record!

 

[Corny]

1. Cisco stole the name from a Greek island.

Apple stole the name from a fruit and still protects it, so what?

The innovation is in its implementation - rather than just run applications blindly on top of each other, Apple have built a system of background multi-threading that conserves battery life and RAM requirements while maintaining the user experience of multitasking. If you've ever left a few apps running in an Android phone for an hour and found your battery nearly flat you'll appreciate the distinction.

They can call it what they want, but it's not multitasking. Maybe background services.

But the main problem with apple stays the same as with religion. You have to deal with their followers who only see one righteous path.

 

[hotatlboi]

But the main problem with apple stays the same as with religion. You have to deal with their followers who only see one righteous path.

But like religion, the radical rabid fanbois are really only a small subset of the users, yet they seem to always get the most attention.

 

[Corny]

This subset is a lot bigger in this case ..

 

[hotatlboi]

This subset is a lot bigger in this case ..

I disagree. I've been an Apple user for over 10 years, and while I've definitely found some parts of the community are like that, most are not. Most just use it because that is what works for them.

You seem to be in denial that Apple could work best for anyone that is not a religiously devoted fanboy, lol.

 

[MercuryJones]

Isn't it just as much a religion to decry Apple as a false or inferior path?

Isn't it possible that there are different paths for different people?

 

[Corny]

I disagree. I've been an Apple user for over 10 years, and while I've definitely found some parts of the community are like that, most are not. Most just use it because that is what works for them.

this generation of apple users is QUITE different than the current one.

Isn't it just as much a religion to decry Apple as a false or inferior path?

If you're talking about me, you don't read my posts very well.

 

[hotatlboi]

this generation of apple users is QUITE different than the current one.

There you go again. There is nothing common amongst all members of "this generation of Apple users" regarding their usage of Apple products. All different types of people might use it for all different types of reasons.

 

[bankside]

^ and that's what I don't get. When you jailbreak it you admit that you do not like it as it meant to be. You give them money and support their business model (gag the user) which you do not like
Apart from that. Still no multitasking, no matter what they call multitasking

Hey Corny, what are you admitting when you compile some who-the-hell-knows-what for your Ubuntu or whatever? You're admitting that you do not like it as it came out of the box either. Except maybe you aren't admitting it, you're thrilled with that for some reason!

The most common experience I have with my Apple products is they work out of the box the way I want them to. I spent years with DOS, Windows 3.1, 95, 2000, OS/2 and even red hat linux for a while on various computers I've owned, and my most usual activity was trying to make them work more like the way Mac OS X worked the very first time I turned on my iMac, before I had ever played with Mac OS X. It was like buying a new home that had already been decorated by someone who knew every detail of my taste, furnished with the things I like, and ready to just enjoy.

I don't mind any of those other systems, and I laugh too when Steve Jobs talks about "magic." But feature for feature, I find far less to be annoyed about with my apple stuff than anything else I've used. And I would be the first to admit, the quality is not worth the price. They gouge me on cost, and that is annoying. But no one else comes close to their quality at a lesser price. So, I'm happy

 

[MercuryJones]

If you're talking about me, you don't read my posts very well.

I didn't mean you in particular.

But I do know that in the one and only Apple-related thread I participated in, although not one Apple user said their choice was the best for anyone but themselves, or put down anyone else's choice, these things were said by others about Apple or Apple users:

"I think what you meant to say is your impressed everyone with your total doucheness"

"it takes a fanboy to be impressed at Steve Jobs"

"Apple says "Think different"...to a clone army of fanboys"

"i can only hope when Steve Jobs dies, his fanboys will commit mass-suicide en-suite"

"Fanboys can't conceive anything if it hasn't been thought of by Steve rimJobs first."

"Apple decided multitasking wasn't important because their fanboys don't have the IQ to do two things at once."

But - again - not one single Apple user in the 5 pages put down anyone else's choice of product or OS, or said that anyone else should use Apple.

So who are "followers who only see one righteous path"?

 

[DonQuixote]

I freely give the devils in Mr. Jobs and Wasniak their due. Apple created a closed system that beat the pants off Dos and Win.

I started out in Dos. I'm a dinosaur that has a wee bit o' tech.
But, I use my laptop for surfing - I like a nice BIG screen to do my surfing, not a 2-3" screen. I have a 17" laptop - I sacrifice lightweight portability for pseudo-desktop performance.

I use my cell phone for, shudder, phone calls - and starting to text now, but my fat fingers don't fit the damed keys very well.

My BIG complaint with Apple and the iPhone, and why I won't buy one (other than I'm too cheap)? Their exclusive carrier in the US is one I will not use. I had AT&T for my long distance carrier for years, when my local phone company (Never was part of AT&T) established their own long distance. I never used much long distance, then my son got active, and we set up the 25% discount plan. When I went to switch to my local company, AT&T BACK canceled my discount plan - it took years of fighting with them. We finally paid part of what we didn't owe just to close the fucking matter.
Verizon has far superior service in the areas I use cell service - so far, all the areas I've been in, not just my greater local region, but places I've flown on business, too. AT&T can service my sexual needs and I still won't use them.

As long as there's an exclusive relationship to AT&T, no thanks, Apple. And, oh yeah, I don't need a $30 - $40/month "data" plan for my phone.
Like I said, I'm a dinosaur.

 

[andysayshi]

This hideous art, riddled with bad aliasing, poor matting, and unkerned and badly aliased type, demonstrates the anti-Apple brigade perfectly. Their message is about function and nothing else, a view that excludes useability, elegance, style and quality; an attitude that can't comprehend the fact that real humans often buy and use things because they like how they work and look and feel, and not just because they have the latest greatest functions at the lowest prices.

Sure, the cartoon may be funny, but it's unbalanced, hard to read, and aesthetically unpleasing. A lot more people would read it if it a bit more thought was put into it, a bit more care about aesthetics and readability.

Just sayin.


(Oh, and the Aids reference - not classy.)

 

[bankside]

I freely give the devils in Mr. Jobs and Wasniak their due. Apple created a closed system that beat the pants off Dos and Win.

I started out in Dos. I'm a dinosaur that has a wee bit o' tech.
But, I use my laptop for surfing - I like a nice BIG screen to do my surfing, not a 2-3" screen. I have a 17" laptop - I sacrifice lightweight portability for pseudo-desktop performance.

I use my cell phone for, shudder, phone calls - and starting to text now, but my fat fingers don't fit the damed keys very well.

My BIG complaint with Apple and the iPhone, and why I won't buy one (other than I'm too cheap)? Their exclusive carrier in the US is one I will not use. I had AT&T for my long distance carrier for years, when my local phone company (Never was part of AT&T) established their own long distance. I never used much long distance, then my son got active, and we set up the 25% discount plan. When I went to switch to my local company, AT&T BACK canceled my discount plan - it took years of fighting with them. We finally paid part of what we didn't owe just to close the fucking matter.
Verizon has far superior service in the areas I use cell service - so far, all the areas I've been in, not just my greater local region, but places I've flown on business, too. AT&T can service my sexual needs and I still won't use them.

As long as there's an exclusive relationship to AT&T, no thanks, Apple. And, oh yeah, I don't need a $30 - $40/month "data" plan for my phone.
Like I said, I'm a dinosaur.

If it makes you feel any better, in my country the iPhone is only available on a total of four different carriers I will not use. Bell, Fido, Roges & Telus are all equally useless. Thus I am getting my needs serviced by Fido, but I think they're enjoying it more than me; I just bite the pillow.

 

[rotary]

If it makes you feel any better, in my country the iPhone is only available on a total of four different carriers I will not use. Bell, Fido, Roges & Telus are all equally useless. Thus I am getting my needs serviced by Fido, but I think they're enjoying it more than me; I just bite the pillow.

I used to loathe Rogers. Hated them a few years ago but they've improved their service here in Saskatchewan. They also forgave a $3000 cell bill I accidentally ran up while out of country without any bickering, so my opinion of the company has increased somewhat. The only beef I have with them is their pricing (and btw Fido is Rogers, so technically three carriers).



I still have the iPhone 3G so I'll definitely be upgrading when the new version releases. I dropped my phone a couple days ago and shattered the corner of the screen, so it's not like I have a choice anyway