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Being a gay male is a life ruiner. Reddit post.

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The fuck? When did I say that. Being black and fem it's harder for me being gay, but it's harder for anyone being gay. If Tom Cruise were gay, the most handsome man in the world, he would still have a fucked up life.

I'm also not complaining. We are having open dialogue about a serious issue, and just because you had it easier, you refuse to understand.

The purpose of this thread is for people like yourself to wake the fuck up and realize we all need to unite.



Don't be. Be proud you're Canadian, I'm proud that I'm American. Be proud of your countries history, and I'll be proud and accept mine.

In addition that last part you typed, it's also typical and proving my point, yes lord. "I'm sorry that blacks are treated bad, but I'm happy that gays are treated better than blacks." Smh. Help me lord. lol.



Honey I've been on this forum for now 10 years almost. I'm gay, and I'll die gay. The fuck you mean I haven't accepted it?

I love being gay, and I love supporting the gay community. This thread to just to open up issues, and that being gay does have many downsides, which we need to have discussion to improve on.

Now don't get me wrong, I would love to hit a button and become straight, but it's just not going to happen, so I have accepted it.

You are also putting words in my mouth. I never said everyone has to be miserable gay. Nobody is forcing you to disagree with me, what I am saying happens to people. Just because it doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean it can't, and that it doesn't happen to your peers and your gay brothers.

No, I have the right to be Christian, like you have the right to be atheist. Please.

Believe me....any guy who wants to be straight instead of homo hasn't accepted himself fully.

Any guy who thinks that they are somehow acceptable to Jesus because they don't get fucked in the ass hasn't accepted himself either.

You don't have to have a fucked up life because you are a homo.
 
Being gay may be a disadvantage...that is true. But so is being black or being part of any other "minority" group. A life ruiner it is not. You don't have to be mentally defeated right from the start.
 
Being gay may be a disadvantage...that is true. But so is being black or being part of any other "minority" group. A life ruiner it is not. You don't have to be mentally defeated right from the start.

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Believe me....any guy who wants to be straight instead of homo hasn't accepted himself fully.
I never said I wanted to be straight. I just said if I had the option to be straight, I would probably take it, mainly because I'm black. What fucking part of that don't you understand? If I were a white homosexual, I would be dealing with it easier. Because I'm a black homosexual, coming from a race and culture that probably won't ever find that shit acceptable, it just makes things more difficult for myself.

So therefore, if I were to be happy gay, I would rather be white. I want to be straight, mainly because god did make me black and I come from an African bloodline.

I'm proud to be gay, I am not proud of the community. I am also not proud that I don't have the right to complain to be mad at this issue. I have every right to feel I'm owed something.

I'm not saying white gays don't have issues, russian gays don't have issues, persian gays don't have issues, indian gays don't have issues. We all have issues.

Any guy who thinks that they are somehow acceptable to Jesus because they don't get fucked in the ass hasn't accepted himself either.

You don't have to have a fucked up life because you are a homo

What? There are many gay Christians that have anal sex. There are many non religious gays that don't have anal sex.

If I was Christian or not, I made a promise to myself that I would never have anal sex again, with the exception being with a guy I've been with for a long, long time. Even then I still might not. I don't like topping, I don't like bottoming. I have no issue with oral sex, frottage, rimming, fingering, and doing fetish and kinky stuff. I just don't like anal sex, and that's my choice.

I'm Christian, because I believe in god and I like to pray to deal with my issues. I love going to church. 90% of African Americans are Christian.

Being gay may be a disadvantage...that is true. But so is being black or being part of any other "minority" group. A life ruiner it is not. You don't have to be mentally defeated right from the start.

But I'm both Black and Gay? So where does that leave me? Do I get a discount? Can I use a 50% off coupon? Will I be able cut the line because of that.

I feel if I was just white and gay, it would be easier. I'm the race universally everyone thinks as more beautiful. I would get along better in the community, and in more subgroups. I would do better dating wise, not dealing with the racism around gay dating.

I feel if I was straight, I would only have to deal with being black. Being gay in the African culture is not accepted, and probably won't ever be. So it sucks living this life I have.

I will say I will be seen as a black man before a gay man, so that's fucked up. But it is what it is I guess.
 
Being gay in the African culture is not accepted, and probably won't ever be. So it sucks living this life I have.

False, educate yourself cuz now you're embarrassing yourself with miseducation and misinformation. Gay marriage was legal in South Africa before it was legal in my home state of Illinois. Ancient kings in Africa had same-sex and cross-gender lovers.
 
Being gay may be a disadvantage...that is true. But so is being black or being part of any other "minority" group. A life ruiner it is not. You don't have to be mentally defeated right from the start.

This.

Plus even though there are a lot of problems with both race and homosexuality, there is a point where you are only being self defeating and using these issues as a means to never do anything about them or yourself.
 
I don't understand.

So anyone who hates being gay, is mentally ill?

That's also bullshit. It's human nature to want to be seen and heard and loved. Ergo gaining acceptance.

It's also human nature to cuss bitches out. Sorry.

Breh, self hate is unhealthy. Hate is something you learn to do. No one grows up to hate themselves or hate other people.

I would also like to say as a gay person, we also learn that we basically need other people to approve of us instead of just going about life without caring about what others think as long as we are comfortable with ourselves. It's not just folks finding their niche but wanting to be "the one" among other gay people. Sorry but this type of thinking is not healthy. It's not. It's a codependent type of mentality. That's negative as hell.

It's actually pathetic to be honest when you look at how many gay men who are in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and up that think like that.

And that's my point I'm making.

The reality is... it really doesn't benefit a gay man to basically stay confined in the gay community. It's ass backwards. As an adult, you supposed to be doing your own thing. Why you need how many people to tell you what you should be doing with your life and freedom? I think the gay community and gayborhoods serves it purpose for people who are coming out or need support in building themselves up. Back then, it served it's purpose when gay people had nowhere to go. Now, its like useless once you get to the point where you have found your base and can do whatever you please embracing who you are.

Like personally, I really don't care about having a clique of gay friends simply because we are gay. I would want to be able to connect with them personally for who they are as individuals. As long as I have people around me whether they are gay, straight, black, white, old, young, man, woman or whoever that are willing to understand me and accept me for who I am and i would do the same for them. That's what counts.

And it's always good to watch the company you keep. Half of these gay guys are self destructing so what are they going to teach you or encourage you to do? Self destruct too. It's a crab in a barrel mentality. I got love for my community, will ride for the cause and will stand up against discrimination and bullshit BUT that doesn't mean that I have to limit myself by only socializing and interacting with only gay people.
 
False, educate yourself cuz now you're embarrassing yourself with miseducation and misinformation. Gay marriage was legal in South Africa before it was legal in my home state of Illinois.

South Africa is just a little tiny part of the continent, and you can argue it's not really technically Africa, as majority of Australian whites, and other races live there. In simple terms, it's very much homophobic. lol. It's just one of the areas where people don't give a fuck, but you will still be harassed for being gay as it's very un African.

You go anywhere else in Africa and try to be gay, it's your funeral.

Ancient kings in Africa had same-sex and cross-gender lovers

If you were a member of royalty, (king, prince, etc.) or a witch doctor or healer, you were allowed to be gay without punishment.

Plus even though there are a lot of problems with both race and homosexuality, there is a point where you are only being self defeating and using these issues as a means to never do anything about them or yourself.

How am I being self defeating? I'm not that depressed or suicidal.

I'm still living and breathing right? I go out and attempt to ask guys out all the time online and in the real world with fail. I'm not giving up anytime soon. The fuck you mean self defeating?


Breh, self hate is unhealthy. Hate is something you learn to do. No one grows up to hate themselves or hate other people.

I'm not self hating. I don't hate being gay. I just notice all the negativity around it. Negativity isn't always hate.

I would also like to say as a gay person, we also learn that we basically need other people to approve of us instead of just going about life without caring about what others think as long as we are comfortable with ourselves. It's not just folks finding their niche but wanting to be "the one" among other gay people. Sorry but this type of thinking is not healthy. It's not. It's a codependent type of mentality. That's negative as hell.

It's actually pathetic to be honest when you look at how many gay men who are in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and up that think like that.

Because that's not enough. We want to be smiled back at when we walk down the street. We want to find romance, we want to make network opportunities. We want to not get fired for being ourselves at work. We want to be able live life as first class citizens.

If we just ignored all those issues, it's not solving anything. My goal is hopefully this thread wakes people the fuck up and we start to work issues in our own fucking community first. Bears don't hang with twinks. Masc guys don't like fems. Just ugh.

The reality is... it really doesn't benefit a gay man to basically stay confined in the gay community. It's ass backwards. As an adult, you supposed to be doing your own thing. Why you need how many people to tell you what you should be doing with your life and freedom? I think the gay community and gayborhoods serves it purpose for people who are coming out or need support in building themselves up. Back then, it served it's purpose when gay people had nowhere to go. Now, its like useless once you get to the point where you have found your base and can do whatever you please embracing who you are.

Because like a fem gay guy like myself, it's hard to assimilate with the straight culture. Most of my friends are my co-workers which are old straight white men. They don't understand the gay lifestyle, but they support me as a friend. We go out to places and sports games and I pretend to be their adopted black son because I do look twinkish and childish lol.

I would just like to hang with my gay brothers sometime and it's hard when this community is so divisive and unwelcoming. I would just like that extra support. Not that I have an issue hanging with straight guys, there is a fine line I can't cross with them.

Like personally, I really don't care about having a clique of gay friends simply because we are gay. I would want to be able to connect with them personally for who they are as individuals. As long as I have people around me whether they are gay, straight, black, white, old, young, man, woman or whoever that are willing to understand me and accept me for who I am and i would do the same for them. That's what counts.

I see what you mean. But as I said before. Majority if not all of my real life friends are straight guys and I can only do so much with them. They won't go to any gay bars or events with me. I feel like I'm their son or younger brother in some cases, and friendships shouldn't be like that. We go on fishing and hunting trips, and I like it.

I just wish I could be around gay men like that and network and socialize with them, but I just can't and it sucks.

I mean, I feel who could understand you better than gay men themselves. Not married older white guys which comprise of most of my friends.

And it's always good to watch the company you keep. Half of these gay guys are self destructing so what are they going to teach you or encourage you to do? Self destruct too. It's a crab in a barrel mentality. I got love for my community, will ride for the cause and will stand up against discrimination and bullshit BUT that doesn't mean that I have to limit myself by only socializing and interacting with only gay people.

I see. But it's not about the community. It's just about society in whole.

You're ideal is, spend time with people who are not gay, and my main thesis is that society in a whole has this negative impact on homosexuality in general. So it's makes things more difficult.

Not to mention if you don't already have something against you that it makes it harder to socialize, like in my case I'm black.
 
But I'm both Black and Gay? So where does that leave me? Do I get a discount? Can I use a 50% off coupon? Will I be able cut the line because of that.

I feel if I was just white and gay, it would be easier. I'm the race universally everyone thinks as more beautiful. I would get along better in the community, and in more subgroups. I would do better dating wise, not dealing with the racism around gay dating.

I feel if I was straight, I would only have to deal with being black. Being gay in the African culture is not accepted, and probably won't ever be. So it sucks living this life I have.

I will say I will be seen as a black man before a gay man, so that's fucked up. But it is what it is I guess.

And so? We each have been dealt with different hands and it's up to ourselves to make the best of what we have. You can either choose to wallow in self-pity or stand up for yourself and look beyond your own color and sexuality. Others may not be able to look beyond it, but you have no control over that. You, however, have control over your own self-worth.

I've dealt with crap myself and I just give the offending person a big mental FU and move on. And that's it.

Being black and being gay is no excuse to be emotionally defeated. Either don't give a damn or use them as reasons to become even stronger. You'll be better off that way.
 
IF you are a SHRINKING VIOLET -- life is TOUGH...

The ENTIRE OP was NEGATIVE...

Learn who you are -- ACCEPT who you are -- and BE BOLD...

:):):)

The point is that being bold is dangerous. The issues described are real.

It's not because they're paranoid that the only openly gay couple I know of in this county have double deadbolts and a chain on their door, with electronic security and two nasty guard dogs. It's gotten better; being suspected of being gay here no longer gets you dragged out into the woods to suffer a fatal "accident", but broken windshields and literal shit dumped on your porch aren't exactly signs of affection and support.

And while straights in Portland can go to gay bars with no problem, there are few straight bars where any gays dare go without a de facto bodyguard (straight guys in gay bars may get hit on, but gays in a straight bar are likely to get hit).

As a visitor from Canada commented to me recently in Salem, the U.S> is astoundingly tolerant... of barbarians.
 
Its all in your head.
If you think positive, you'll get positive results.

Yeah, like the "positive results" my best buddy got when he stepped in to keep a bunch of guys from killing someone for merely being suspected of being gay -- slashed tires and shredded paint on your car are so wonderful!
 
There's one mathematically undeniable way in which your life is harder as a gay person. Only a tiny tiny minority of the population is an even possibly compatible sexual partner for you. Dating and the whole concept of "finding the right person" is, ultimately, a numbers game. You filter through all the people who aren't your type, you aren't their type, you can't stand them, they can't stand you, and try to find the people at the end of that process to be involved with. Engaging in that process when 1 or 2% of the people you will encounter on a day to day basis qualify at all in the first stage of elimination is a lot harder than when it's 50%. Particularly if you do not have access to a lot of gay people in your day to day life (i.e., you live anywhere outside of a large city.)

This thread is of course going to come down to people arguing over "attitude" and outlook and all that junk, but if discussing the actual measurable ways your life will be different (or not) as a gay person, that's the one I've always considered to be the biggest negative metric. When I see the size of the net that straight people can effectively "toss", whether it's on apps or how picky they can be or how many people they can ask to introduce them to someone, or even simply how many possible people they will run into on a normal average every day that they could ask out on a date, it curbstomps a typical gay person's.

I should probably add, I don't believe in a magical concept that for every 1 person created 1 perfect mate is also created elsewhere in the world, so all straight people and all gay people have the one perfect mate out there. Don't believe in it, consider it magical or pseudoreligious thinking. Finding a good partner is entirely about working through numbers of people until you roll dice successfully on encountering the ones with the right combinations of qualities. Working with small numbers is a net handicap. You're forced to either spend much more time single, or make larger compromises.

Yes.

For example, I was just in Portland with a guy who wanted to meet a gal to spend some time with. He had no trouble at all just walking up to gals and essentially asking for a date. But even in Portland, there's a higher probability I'd get punched in the face than that I would actually have picked a guy even remotely interested, if I tried the same thing.
 
False, educate yourself cuz now you're embarrassing yourself with miseducation and misinformation. Gay marriage was legal in South Africa before it was legal in my home state of Illinois. Ancient kings in Africa had same-sex and cross-gender lovers.

I was reading some about ancient Egypt the other day, and this rings a bell!

The problem with monotheism is that too many people use the excuse of there being only one God to insist that there can be only one kind of people, and then impose all sorts of artificial restraints on what anyone is allowed to be. In ancient Egypt, everyone understood that whatever a person might be, he was because at least one god or another had decided he should be that way. From that perspective, the "God made me gay" tee-shirts are a step in the right direction. While the statement itself is arguably not biblical, it is a slap in the fact to prejudice from a direction that most definitely is biblical: that what someone else is, is irrelevant; each person's job is to follow God as He has called them, and deal with others in love.
 
I'd rather hit a button and make 20% of the population gay.

Bah, the percentage should be more like 10%. 20% is way too much. I think it's at around 1.5-2% in some areas. Probably a few numbers higher than that in some areas.

If everyone were gay, nobody would be here lol.
 
Bah, the percentage should be more like 10%. 20% is way too much. I think it's at around 1.5-2% in some areas. Probably a few numbers higher than that in some areas.

If everyone were gay, nobody would be here lol.

Twenty percent is about right for a threshold that in almost any given situation, there would be enough people like you to stand up for you that bashing would dwindle to nil. It would also be enough that there would be absolutely no one that wouldn't have someone close to them being gay.

But it's small enough that JUB would certainly still be here -- and if I had such a button to press, it would gain membership like crazy as newly gay people swarmed to the forums to figure out what to do next!
 
I can't believe no one has called out the OP for doing everything possible to make sure blacks and gays continue to be second class citizens. She's voting for the evil republican racist bigot Donald Trump. She's a traitor to blacks, and a traitor to gays. It's called being willfully ignorant at this point. #-o At least when they come for the internment camps, she'll be very easy to spot in those hotpants. :lol:
 
There is no "safe gay area", there are gay themed areas, but no matter where you go, you will run into homophobia. I was just bashed in one of the gay areas of LA, West Hollywood, a few months ago, so you aren't safe anywhere.

If that's the 'gay bash' which consisted of guys making faces at you, then you're not being honest with yourself or us.
It's a behaviour which solves nothing, and only deepens feelings of depression and anxiety.

The people talking on reddit about the upsides were probably only serving to frustrate a poster who was hoping for commiseration rather than solutions. That's important, but it's only the first part of dealing with a problem.
 
I can't believe no one has called out the OP for doing everything possible to make sure blacks and gays continue to be second class citizens. She's voting for the evil republican racist bigot Donald Trump. She's a traitor to blacks, and a traitor to gays. It's called being willfully ignorant at this point. #-o At least when they come for the internment camps, she'll be very easy to spot in those hotpants. :lol:

1.I'm a guy. I'm not female or a transwoman. You can call me by female pronouns in the right context. This is not the correct one. This is a serious issue and the "girl please" remarks aren't needed now.
2.Trump isn't racist or bigoted.
3.I'm not a traitor to blacks, there are many blacks voting for Trump.
4.I'm not a traitor to gays, there are many gays, some who posted on this thread that are voting for Trump.
5.There are not going to be any interment camps. It's 2016 and it's a free country, and we are the media capital of the world. We are not a second or third world country.

If that's the 'gay bash' which consisted of guys making faces at you, then you're not being honest with yourself or us.
It's a behaviour which solves nothing, and only deepens feelings of depression and anxiety.

The people talking on reddit about the upsides were probably only serving to frustrate a poster who was hoping for commiseration rather than solutions. That's important, but it's only the first part of dealing with a problem.

I was minding my own fucking business. Wearing feminine looking clothes in West Hollywood of all places. These four white guys in this car, intentionally pull up to the curb without my knowledge or indication. Honked their horn and stuck their heads out the window to get my attention, and all of them flipped me off with angry and disgusted looks in their faces, saying exploitative and insults. Driving away before I could get a full reaction.

That is being gay bashed. That is not just guys making faces at me.
 
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