Being Christian and gay at the same time?

[JebLeon]

It only makes sense if you truly believe in God(the king) and His peace.A king can make rules whenever he wants for his people to fit in his kingdom.It maybe very difficult for some but if you have the heart to acknowledge Him, you will be able to understand and wont worry because you would know that He will guide you in this journey.People tend to oppose because of their desires that violate the law, so they become self-righteous and try to convince themselves and others the "right" thing.When in fact they are just trying to satisfy their minds and make themselves believe that it is "right". But again, we must be reminded that the King has given Laws and we must obey, regardless of what we think.

 

[TX-Beau]

It only makes sense if you truly believe in God(the king) and His peace.A king can make rules whenever he wants for his people to fit in his kingdom.It maybe very difficult for some but if you have the heart to acknowledge Him, you will be able to understand and wont worry because you would know that He will guide you in this journey.People tend to oppose because of their desires that violate the law, so they become self-righteous and try to convince themselves and others the "right" thing.When in fact they are just trying to satisfy their minds and make themselves believe that it is "right". But again, we must be reminded that the King has given Laws and we must obey, regardless of what we think.

SO, god is arbitrary AND cruel, and we need to shut the fuck up and deal?

 

[Jacquemar]

^^ Maybe Plato was right.

Given a religious framework in which to reason, it's frightening what people will come up with.

 

[Kulindahr]

God is within you, an essential part of you so any orientation is irrelevant, God is already there. Forget the scholars who quote the bible, just read it for yourself, but always remember He is an integral part of you whatever. You will be guided, if you listen. Be open not closed.

If he reads the Bible, he'll learn that your opening statement is wrong.

 

[TX-Beau]

If he reads the Bible, he'll learn that your opening statement is wrong.

I often wonder why people assume that those of us who aren't Christians weren't raised as Christians.

 

[Kulindahr]

Kulindhar please read my second sentence

So your advice boils down to reading the Bible while believing it's wrong. The very approach of reading it for yourself and not listening to "scholars" and getting guidance is 100% contrary to the Bible, because it says you don't get to interpret by yourself. There are no promises of getting it right of you operate on your own.

 

[Kulindahr]

I often wonder why people assume that those of us who aren't Christians weren't raised as Christians.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who became an agnostic or atheist who was ever really raised as a Christian -- mostly they were raised to believe really stupid things that aren't in the Bible and many of which are contrary to the Bible, in fundamentalist or law-oriented churches that believed deep down that thinking is a bad thing.

 

[FirmaFan]

I don't think I've ever met anyone who became an agnostic or atheist who was ever really raised as a Christian -- mostly they were raised to believe really stupid things that aren't in the Bible and many of which are contrary to the Bible, in fundamentalist or law-oriented churches that believed deep down that thinking is a bad thing.

No true Scotsman - heard this many times before. Oh, they were never really a TRUE christian, if they were, they would still be christian. And there are plenty of stupid things in the bible that really stupid things not in the bible is hardly necessary to turn people away from the religion.

 

[LAPan75]

Evidence?

The Bible, DUH!

 

[Mariatenebre]

This person does not know of what she's talking about.

Actually Mikey I do know quite a bit about the Abrahamic religions and unlike you I don't sugar coat them. You basically have said numerous times before that you believe that gay sex is a sin and you must deny your sexuality in order to be spiritually good which I have stated before isn't healthy psychologically and you even defended and promoted patriarchy and stated you would not allow a Woman in authority over you. [Text: Removed]

Honestly Mikey people like you are typical in the Catholic Church. My best friend who is an Asatruar has a "friend" and I use that term very loosely who is gay. At first he flirted with Wicca and then left after he thought he summoned "Wicca demons." Then he went to the Catholic Church. However not only is he not celibate but he is having a sexual relationship with a fellow priest. Not only that but this gay priest says that nearly all of the priests there are gay and are out fucking but the thing is that if you are too open or if you are found out these religious hypocrites with be the first to turn on you. Another fact is that my father while he was busy out fathering illegitimate offspring got the clap from a Catholic Nun. So it clear this whole denial of sex thing and refusal to use condoms dosen't work for anyone.

 

[Kulindahr]

The Bible, DUH!

No such thing in the Bible.

So, again: evidence?

 

[Kulindahr]

No true Scotsman - heard this many times before. Oh, they were never really a TRUE christian, if they were, they would still be christian. And there are plenty of stupid things in the bible that really stupid things not in the bible is hardly necessary to turn people away from the religion.

Using your response here, I can defend anything I want -- I can make young earth creationists into actual scientists, for example.

It's easy to verify whether things are in the Bible -- and every single person I've known who left Christianity grew up with piles of crap that just isn't in there.

 

[Jacquemar]

No true Scotsman - heard this many times before. Oh, they were never really a TRUE christian, if they were, they would still be christian. And there are plenty of stupid things in the bible that really stupid things not in the bible is hardly necessary to turn people away from the religion.

LOL I left Christianity because I got tired of trying to figure out who was created first: man or beast. The mystery of the origin of Cain and Abel's wives just sealed the deal.

 

[Kulindahr]

LOL I left Christianity because I got tired of trying to figure out who was created first: man or beast. The mystery of the origin of Cain and Abel's wives just sealed the deal.

So basically you left Christianity because you read the Bible in a really stupid way.

 

[Mariatenebre]

I left Christianity because of the pure barbarism of Yahweh in the Bible. The genocides, murders and rapes allowed and sanctioned by him that his followers gleefully committed. Also the fact that he was a racist, sexist and homophobe.

 

[LAPan75]

No such thing in the Bible.

So, again: evidence?

Tell ya what Kuli.... Before you make another ridiculous comment here, do something novel:
Go read the Bible instead of regurgitating what someone told you it meant or what you think is in it.

 

[Kulindahr]

Tell ya what Kuli.... Before you make another ridiculous comment here, do something novel:
Go read the Bible instead of regurgitating what someone told you it meant or what you think is in it.

I've translated both the Old and New Testaments from the original, and prefer to read it that way.

There's no such thing in the Bible.

So, again: evidence?

 

[TX-Beau]

Kuli, other Christians don't see the same bible you do for what ever reason. You look at the text and think A they look at the text and think B. I guarantee you that my Southern Baptist upbringing included people who thought they knew what was in the Bible. One can't tell them what's "in the Bible" because they already know and everyone else is obviously mistaken, the same argument you just made.

They can't tell you what the Bible says either. It's the problem with the whole damn setup, you say they are wrong, they say you are wrong, around and around we go...

 

[zoltanspawn]

Kuli, other Christians don't see the same bible you do for what ever reason. You look at the text and think A they look at the text and think B. I guarantee you that my Southern Baptist upbringing included people who thought they knew what was in the Bible. One can't tell them what's "in the Bible" because they already know and everyone else is obviously mistaken, the same argument you just made.

They can't tell you what the Bible says either. It's the problem with the whole damn setup, you say they are wrong, they say you are wrong, around and around we go...

Imagine if people used a 'scientific' attitude toward the interpretation of scripture: if a passage, word, phrase or chapter were found to be served by a superior translation than what they currently use, they would adopt it. Some scholars take such an approach.

For most however, it seems like pet theories precede translation and updates are painstakingly slow, and sometimes practically impossible.

 

[Jacquemar]

Are you perhaps referring to a few passages in The Gospel of John that say something like "the disciple Jesus loved?"