Bradley Manning [merged]

[Kulindahr]

Re: Bradley Manning - video report

^ Some chaplains in the military have made news by refusing to consider marrying gay couples and agitating for the protection of anti-gay hate speech within the military.

And the Catholic church is officially anti-gay, so I'm not sure Manning would have felt comfortable approaching a priest. Even if he had, the vow of silence only applies to the confessional. I doubt that Manning was seeking to confess to the sin of homosexuality as a means of dealing with his problems.

In any case, chaplains and lawyers (the only people with whom Manning could have discussed his problems with even a hope of confidence) are not really appropriate substitutes for mental health professionals. With due respect to the chaplains and lawyers of the military, they're not necessarily even appropriate substitutes for friends.

He wouldn't have to -- just, say, the sin of anger. That would allow talking about what the anger is about, and it's all under the seal. In fact, a good priest would suggest confession to someone plainly troubled, just to make the entire discussion confidential.

BTW, Rome does not call homosexuality a sin; if you try to confess that, you'll get corrected.

 

[Lostlover]

Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Did you guys (and gals) hear that Manning is going to use his sexuality as a defense? I heard that on the radio so I can't cite it. But this article is claiming that Bradley was queening it up or wanted to. And wanted to go by "Breanna." It's a pretty sad day when a gay man/woman has to use his/her sexuality to explain a crime.

He's the younger version of Larry Craig. Do you remember the first thing he said at his press conference after his arrest for soliciting sex in an airport bathroom? "I am not gay." Grandpa and "Breanna", being gay isn't a crime.

Ps: I told BearDaddy that Manning looked like a drag queen when this story first broke. My hunch is never wrong.

My iPad having issues with posting links. Here's the link again, from Der Spiegel. http://m.spiegel.de/international/world/a-775053.html

 

[cityboy-stl]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

What an embarrassment to the military and just when DADT is on the way out too.

 

[JayHawk]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

I would be more embarrassed if I was fucking traitor to my country and I was such a coward I would blame it on a portion of humanity that is controversial to say the least. This demonizes gay men. it does nothing to insult the military. He is essentially saying that he did it because he is gay. That is how it will be boiled down IF he fights his case with that illogical line of defense.

He is an oxygen thief.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

I would be more embarrassed if I was fucking traitor to my country and I was such a coward I would blame it on a portion of humanity that is controversial to say the least. This demonizes gay men. it does nothing to insult the military. He is essentially saying that he did it because he is gay. That is how it will be boiled down IF he fights his case with that illogical line of defense.

He is an oxygen thief.

He really is no different than Larry Craig. But at least Craig didn't sell out his country to some creepy narcissist. Craig also had a beard, I mean wife, to protect.

Why is so much attention paid to his sexuality too? Why do I know he's gay? Gay groups are really doing the gay community a disservice by backing this traitor.

 

[Nomenclature]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Why do I know he's gay? Gay groups are really doing the gay community a disservice by backing this traitor.

Actually, he identified as trans. He met a well-known transgendered geek off of Youtube, and she agreed to release their conversations.

 

[MoltenRock III]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Why is the USA again defying international law regarding this prisoner? Why does the US demand other countries live up to the very law they trample over? It's disgusting! Bradley Manning is innocent until proven guilty. If the US had such an airtight case against him why do they continue to violate law regarding his rights? Obama is no better than Bush.

 

[JayHawk]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Intl law is set by precedent. The precedent is that we do what we please. Get over it.

 

[JayHawk]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Oh and the reason he hasnt been tried and most likely imprisoned for life is because of the publicity surrounding his traitorous act.

You are a fan and proponent of Asian countries. Just for a second estimate what they would do with a traitor. Never mind how they handle drug smugglers. No i am not making it about them either. However crying about a little traitor who was on suicide treatment because he said he was gonna kill himself and then used the lack of materials provided for his safety to make a case he was being violated just to drive publicity.... it is a sick twist of reality and someone as smart as you should be capable of realizing when your being snowed.

 

[MoltenRock III]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Intl law is set by precedent. The precedent is that we do what we please. Get over it.

Thanks for being honest. I hope no one, ever, never, bitches about legal treatment in any other country that violates international law that Americans choose to whine about in the future. Again, he is not a traitor as he is still innocent until proven guilty.

It's pretty interesting to read a few articles outside of US lamestream media.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,775053,00.html

http://www.examiner.com/human-right...-manning-prison-mistreatment-findings-exposed

http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...g-of-the-worlds-most-notorious-leaker/241920/

 

[JayQueer]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Well, I'm Asian Indian & I agree with JayHawk.

Bradley Manning is a TRAITOR to the United States and deserves whatever he gets. He compromised the safety of our troops abroad by leaking government data & documents. He's actually lucky how he's been treated thus far, for a man who committed treason against the United States.

And regardless of whether he's gay or transgendered, Bradley Manning is a thorn on the side of repealing DADT. A lot of the right-wing websites are using Bradley Manning as an example of what will happen when the ban on open gays in the military is finally dropped.

The fact that Code Pink is rallying for Bradley Manning speaks a ton. Code Pink marched this year during the L.A. gay pride parade with "Free Bradley Manning" signs. We all know that Code Pink is anti-military. For years, (and probably even now) the Berkeley City Council gave them reserved parking in front of the U.S. Marine Recruiting office in Berkeley, where the Code Pink people harassed the Marines working there everyday, calling them "murderers" & "war criminals."

 

[MoltenRock III]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Funny, I remember the same condemnation of Richard Jewell for bombing the Atlanta Olympics, which he was innocent of. If the US has such an airtight case why do they refuse to let him meet with lawyers and UN monitors without recording it as is the right of American citizens?

 

[BostonPirate]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

He is a traitor. He put lives at risk.

its hard to excuse that for any reason, or feel pity for that. He would not be where he is if he had not made the choices he made.

And he did make them. You don't pass around secret documents as a serviceman by accident, and then go... oh wait.. was that treason????

He knew what he was doing and if it was for some cause of his, let him pull a mandela and sit in prison knowing he did the right thing.

The cavalry wont be charging in to save Mr Manning.

 

[JB3]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Funny, I remember the same condemnation of Richard Jewell for bombing the Atlanta Olympics, which he was innocent of. If the US has such an airtight case why do they refuse to let him meet with lawyers and UN monitors without recording it as is the right of American citizens?

Please MRIII. There is plenty of proof he did it. As a matter of fact, whether he actually did it isn't even up for debate any more; what's up for debate is whether what he is claiming are the reasons for it are actually true.

 

[JB3]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Why is the USA again defying international law regarding this prisoner? Why does the US demand other countries live up to the very law they trample over? It's disgusting! Bradley Manning is innocent until proven guilty. If the US had such an airtight case against him why do they continue to violate law regarding his rights? Obama is no better than Bush.

What international law is being violated?

 

[MoltenRock III]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

He is a traitor. He put lives at risk.

its hard to excuse that for any reason, or feel pity for that. He would not be where he is if he had not made the choices he made.

And he did make them. You don't pass around secret documents as a serviceman by accident, and then go... oh wait.. was that treason????

He knew what he was doing and if it was for some cause of his, let him pull a mandela and sit in prison knowing he did the right thing.

The cavalry wont be charging in to save Mr Manning.

You can't be championing the whistleblowing being carried out on Murdoch on one hand and yet condemning whistle blowing of illegal activities, and innocent people being tortured by the American govt on the other hand, otherwise you're being intellectually dishonest.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/08/opinion/main20077841.shtml

 

[MoltenRock III]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

What international law is being violated?

See the 2nd link I provided above.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Actually, he identified as trans. He met a well-known transgendered geek off of Youtube, and she agreed to release their conversations.

Again, why do I know about this? Doesn't he have straight friends? Why is everything associated with Manning about him being gay, a traitor, a leaker and him being gay again? Richard Simmons is known for being an aerobics instructor first and then for his short shorts. Manning is just known for being a gay lying gay guy.

He's so gay. He's a gay American. A gay soldier. A gay hacker. A gay traitor. Gay. Gay. Gay.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Why is the USA again defying international law regarding this prisoner? Why does the US demand other countries live up to the very law they trample over? It's disgusting! Bradley Manning is innocent until proven guilty. If the US had such an airtight case against him why do they continue to violate law regarding his rights? Obama is no better than Bush.

Even though military tribunals have different rules, I agree he's been held too long without a trial. There instead should have been swift justice.

I believe Manning would have escaped the country though while the USA was building its case against him, like Roman Polanski.

 

[JB3]

Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

You can't be championing the whistleblowing being carried out on Murdoch on one hand and yet condemning whistle blowing of illegal activities, and innocent people being tortured by the American govt on the other hand, otherwise you're being intellectually dishonest.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/08/opinion/main20077841.shtml

He didn't whistle-blow. He grabbed random data and turned it over to a third party. He had no idea what he took, and no idea how to sift through it. He's a coward.