Can we finally merge "Black" & American History?

[White Eagle]

Re: Can we finally merge "Black" & American Histor

I would like to get involved in this thread but mikeinohio1 seems to have hijacked it for his own purposes. I do not agree with anything he says, however, I will put my 10cents in and not respond to any of his posts.
My previous post was agreeing with you, but now I want to throw something in that I saw last nite on NBC nightly news. On Brian Williams' last report he told of a black woman who was an author, soldier and pioneer. Her name Martha Putney. She was buried in the Arlington National Cemetary. I have to agree I had never heard of her and I'm just wondering what you have to say about this.
Her funeral would not have been put on the news if this had not been Black History Month. It seems the whites in the country could benefit from news that they might not get otherwise.
My Indian blood is greater than my African blood and you know what Hollywood has done to educate the white man about Indians. I will not respond to any posts about Indians. This post is about Blacks and what the white man has done to educate Americans about Black Americans.
I'm torn half and half. I agree with you that we need to be one, but there is a lot of Black history that may not be told. Now that we have President Obama in office, more of this history may come out naturally.
What say you?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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It seems the whites in the country could benefit from news that they might not get otherwise.

That's entirely the point, you're correct except that it seems you're proposing the continuation of specializing black interest stories and education. If the media, like the education system, merged black interests with white interests, we would hear about her death whether or not it's February. An accomplished author dying is certainly newsworthy and shouldn't need a special month to receive recognition.

This post is about Blacks and what the white man has [strike]done[/strike] failed to do to to educate Americans about Black Americans.

Fixed that for ya.

I'm torn half and half. I agree with you that we need to be one, but there is a lot of Black history that may not be told.

That's exactly what's being proposed, tell it all, and tell it WITH the current history curriculum so we can promote the idea of AMERICA instead white and black America separately, which is hard to do if you segregate them and reduce one to a month-long lip-service fest.

For many blacks and whites, February is the time to "tolerate" black teachings, read an article here, maybe complete a biography during the month, but that shouldn't be happening for just one month.

 

[White Eagle]

Re: Can we finally merge "Black" & American Histor

Ok, gotcha.
Thanks for fixing that sentence.
I have to agree about telling it with the current history, but that is putting a lot of faith in the media and the people who write the history books. I'm not there yet, but am hopeful.

 

[archive]

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to me affirmative action actually agrees with discrimination....its basically saying we know minorities are/have getting the short of the stick...btw...im not for affirmative action

so you do know that perception is reality

or that affirmative action isnt just for blacks

or that high school history is a joke

or that you highjacked a thread and changed its whole meaning

and by judging by you posts.....you do live in a utopia.....where minorities should just shut up and take it...they shouldnt expect the same rights as everyone else...and voting for obama really has nothing to do with a utopia

and last but not least.....history is history.....but its always subjective and everyone has an instance that give credibility to the claims

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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to me affirmative action actually agrees with discrimination....its basically saying we know minorities are/have getting the short of the stick...btw...im not for affirmative action

so you do know that perception is reality

or that affirmative action isnt just for blacks

or that high school history is a joke

or that you highjacked a thread and changed its whole meaning

and by judging by you posts.....you do live in a utopia.....where minorities should just shut up and take it...they shouldnt expect the same rights as everyone else...and voting for obama really has nothing to do with a utopia

and last but not least.....history is history.....but its always subjective and everyone has an instance that give credibility to the claims

I'd have to question his credibility when, in this thread he demands a study and research to prove that everyone in my high-school got the same history lesson, but in another thread he proclaims, with no factual evidence, that Obama won because of affirmative action. He's clearly of the "It's true only when I say it's true" variety.

 

[archive]

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I'd have to question his credibility when, in this thread he demands a study and research to prove that everyone in my high-school got the same history lesson, but in another thread he proclaims, with no factual evidence, that Obama won because of affirmative action. He's clearly of the "It's true only when I say it's true" variety.

because you know obviously people with guns ran up into every voting booth and forced people to vote for obama screaming affirmative action.......damnit.... i forgot sharpton was an ex-president also lol

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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It was more subtle than that. It was that cold, dangerous stare of Obama's. Cuz, ya know, any black person that isn't smiling from temple to temple is angry and militant.

Just look at that menacing, malicious scowl. Just screams "I'ma cut you bitch if you don't vote for me! Need I remind you of Jim Crow?"

 

[archive]

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lmao....i always get that because i dont smile much....but then again...we (blacks) are all walking talking stereotypes

 

[BabiGayPimp]

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I've been very busy today helping to plan and organize a substantial Black History Month celebration that will bring generations, classes, races, and cultures together in the financial heart of a great North American city.

Some of our key speakers are educators and mentors, who spend the year spreading knowlege about the unique historical experience and contributions of people of African heritage.

What we're doing is emphasizing that history, not marginalizing it. A necessary part of our mission is to engage the education system in an effort to spread the wisdom. Children are always involved in the activities.

It's true that after 80 plus years of this tradition, which started as Negro History Week, many black youth don't know enough about black history. But many others know more than you might think.

A few years ago, I organized a childrens' art display, and I was really suprised at the insight the children displayed.

I think what the educational system generally provides, regarding black history, remains inadequate, and I am not willing to suspend our good work at this time.

 

[Kulindahr]

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I have my personal experience. According to the courses presented to me, all blacks did was pick cotton and build a freedom tunnel. Everything else I know came from PBS specials and trips to the library.

Wow.
We got blacks fighting beside whites in the Revolution, blacks fighting on both sides in the Civil War, George Washington Carver, blacks in WW II, the integration problem in Korea... just off the top of my head.

3.1415926......%

Because you're part of the pi?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Re: Can we finally merge "Black" & American Histor

Wow. We got blacks fighting beside whites in the Revolution, blacks fighting on both sides in the Civil War, George Washington Carver, blacks in WW II, the integration problem in Korea... just off the top of my head.

According to what I learned, whites fought the revolution, whites fought the civil war, I know GWC because of PBS, not high-school, and there were no blacks kn WWIII. Af.American presence was missing in all the wars I learned, probably because it'd be impossible to mention them without mentioning the unforgivable treatment they received. As we've seen from the day Obama's nomination was announced to today in a thread about a school named after him, some people go out of their way to avoid referencing racism and mistreatment of blacks.

Of course that could all end if we rewrite the books to represent reality instead of worrying about white guilt and catering to fragile sensitivities. Blacks are excluded from the history books because modern whites believe mentioning these atrocities somehow criminalizes them. And others refuse to acknowledge the wrongdoings of their own race....but bring up terrorism and they jump to life.

Because you're part of the pi?

I've been waiting on you to catch that one.

 

[Kulindahr]

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I just want to comment on the genetics of racial blending.

When I took zoology, we learned that there are at least 16 genes that have to do with skin color, plus recessives. When two people of different races have children, the mix isn't a half-and half thing due to the complex interactions of those 16 genes... plus recessives. Anyone from anywhere in the Mediterranean basin is likely to have a serious mix, as is anyone from anywhere that the Vikings touched, for example, and sometimes the old, unexpressed genes can pop out and yield children of a totally different skin color than the parents. Puerto Rico is a good example of that; I recall a family who moved to New York and found people thinking they'd adopted a lot, but the near-black, dark brown, light brown, 'red', and white children were all their own.

Genetically, race is more than skin color, given that there are other notable features to many (Saxons and Gauls could tell each other apart by looks), but race is also less than skin color for essentially the same reason.

 

[Kulindahr]

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According to what I learned, whites fought the revolution, whites fought the civil war, I know GWC because of PBS, not high-school, and there were no blacks kn WWIII. Af.American presence was missing in all the wars I learned, probably because it'd be impossible to mention them without mentioning the unforgivable treatment they received. As we've seen from the day Obama's nomination was announced to today in a thread about a school named after him, some people go out of their way to avoid referencing racism and mistreatment of blacks.

You should see my dad's old history book (it's going to be on eBay, but you probably can't afford it; it's a collector's piece now). It pulled no punches at all; it even had the Chinese settlements on the U.S. west coast back around 600 A.D. When blacks played a role, they were identified as black, just as Irish were distinguished from Germans, and the Hessians distinguished from the British in the Revolutionary War. In the west during frontier times, it spoke of the "Buffalo Soldiers", and when scouts were of a specific group (native, black, whatever), it told that. It said that had it not been for the Chinese, there would likely have never been a transcontinental railroad -- and that as there were numerous Chinese on the western end of that project, so there were thousands of blacks and Irish on the eastern (who, the book said, got along quite well, except when they didn't) ~~ in other words, it showed that the first rails to cross the continent were put in place by minorities, while the Yankees ran the show (and those Yanks weren't always portrayed in a positive light).

Of course that could all end if we rewrite the books to represent reality instead of worrying about white guilt and catering to fragile sensitivities. Blacks are excluded from the history books because modern whites believe mentioning these atrocities somehow criminalizes them. And others refuse to acknowledge the wrongdoings of their own race....but bring up terrorism and they jump to life.

Yep -- all we have to do is go back to teaching history, not spitting out propaganda. That's one reason I find Obama's nominee for deputy attorney general scary: he believes that the government should determine what is taught! With that principle, kids would get whatever favors the government, and we'd stop learning about things like the right to keep and bear arms, and the right to insurrection that it supports, and learn about race only what they thought "positive".

I've been waiting on you to catch that one.

LOL
I was w/o internet service for a day.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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It said that had it not been for the Chinese, there would likely have never been a transcontinental railroad -- and that as there were numerous Chinese on the western end of that project, so there were thousands of blacks and Irish on the eastern (who, the book said, got along quite well, except when they didn't) ~~ in other words, it showed that the first rails to cross the continent were put in place by minorities, while the Yankees ran the show (and those Yanks weren't always portrayed in a positive light).

No, no, no. That's not right. According to the classroom video I distinctly remember it was laborous whites who were working on the rail road. There weren't any minorities. Your dad's book needs an update.

Yep -- all we have to do is go back to teaching history, not spitting out propaganda. That's one reason I find Obama's nominee for deputy attorney general scary: he believes that the government should determine what is taught! With that principle, kids would get whatever favors the government, and we'd stop learning about things like the right to keep and bear arms, and the right to insurrection that it supports,

I hope to God the guy gets caught in a tax scandal or something.

and learn about race only what they thought "positive".

In other words, two steps back, and 20 years from now I'll be making the same thread, except the desire for BHM will be even stronger after 20 more years of segregated teachings.

 

[Lostlover]

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I completely agree that Black History and American History need to be merged.

It's like the whole "Separate, but Equal" thing. Do we want to be known as a society, together ... as a whole?

Or are we content each being separate, individual groups?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

We are all one America no matter what some want to think.

 

[MisterMajestic]

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Folks...We had Martin Luther King and Black Americans were still treated like second-class citizens after his death.

Now we have a BLACK President. Racism is still STRONG and will not end because a Black men resides in the white house.

It's not going to KILL American schools to discuss Black American history one Damn month out of 12 months...

If Black kids have to be taught about white history for 9 months then White students should not have a problem with learning about Black History in one month.

Black History should be year-round but it is NOT.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Re: Can we finally merge "Black" & American Histor

Now we have a BLACK President. Racism is still STRONG and will not end because a Black men resides in the white house.

This isn't about racism, it's about historical context. How are we supposed to progress if we continue to segregate?

It's not going to KILL American schools to discuss Black American history one Damn month out of 12 months...

Actually you've missed the entire point. First of all, reducing black history to one month triviliazes black history. Most blacks can't even name any prominent blacks so the month has FAILED to educate both whites and blacks about the truth of American history and black contributions.

The point isn't to ERASE BHM, it's to merge it with American history.

Black History should be year-round but it is NOT.

Why can't it be? That's what is being proposed, make it year-long, merge it with "white" history so we can have America's TRUE history.