Christian Arsonist Destroys Gay Couples Home In North Carolina

[Keelandson]

^^^
True but it could be a group of skinheads, or some crazy rednecks or anybody really.

Or the slime-bucket Christian Rethuglican governor of Florida.

 

[Kulindahr]

http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/9065321/

Here's the link from our local news agency in Raleigh.

Thanks -- nice to see some actual journalism instead of hate-mongering.

So people want to tackle the "root" causes?
They have to tackle the religious text (words of god itself).

The text, in the case of the Bible, is fine: none of this is in it. This is crap they made up out of their own hate and use the Bible to justify -- which they can only do by ignoring large parts (like almost everything about Jesus....).

Ever heard of the no true scotsman fallacy?

Doesn't apply -- there's a "manual" that tells what a Christian is. The White Stripe pointed it out for everyone.

These are people Jesus predicted: they call evil good, and they have no love, and all they do is satisfy their own selfish desires.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Of course an arse-onist would destroy the home of a gay couple...

I happen to be an atheist, but I also get angry when someone uses a title like "Christian Arsonist Destroys...." If you bother to read the actual article from the newspaper, nowhere does it imply or state that a Christian had anything to do with it. It is blatantly stirring up sectarian divisiveness for no good reason.

Maybe his name was Christian?

 

[Kulindahr]

It doesn't matter what you say about them. They are in the vast majority and they call themselves christian. I'm a realistic guy. I call it when I see it. And realistically, if the vast majority think that's what it takes to be a christian, then who are you to say they are wrong? For all we know, you're the one that's unchristian for actually caring for your fellow men.

Bullshit.

That's like claiming someone who goes around using bamboo for pipes and chewing gum to join them can legitimately call himself a plumber. In matter of fact, he'd have a better claim to it than these people do to being called Christians, because he's at least using pipes of some sort, which is what a plumber is supposed to do.

But a Christian is supposed to use love and mercy -- that's "in the book", like pipes are in the plumber's 'book'. And when people are sinning, Jesus -- the Christ after whom Christians are called -- demonstrated how that's to be done: drop the stones, drop the condemnation, and go home.

This isn't a matter of being questionably Christian, because they're doing things in a somewhat different way. It's a matter of being anti-christs, because they are doing exactly what the Christ said not to do.

The fact of the matter is human rights have always gone forward because of secular efforts and that christians at large have always opposed to these changes. Women's suffrage, civil rights, gay rights, etc. have always been impeded by most christians while being carried forward by secularists.

There's this thing called reality that we live in. You seem to be stuck in the world of political correctness.

You need a dose of reality.

Anti-slavery efforts began in Europe because of Christians. The same happened in the U.S. There was a U.S., a big step in the progress of human rights, thanks to Christian preachers who turned out their congregations and even went with them to fight tyranny.

And the first group besides Martin Luther King's own congregation to step forward in support of civil rights was a white Lutheran church -- Christians joining Christians to get things rolling.

Go to a gay pride parade. If they're anything like the ones in Portland, you'll see float after float from Christians. What you're seeing isn't the majority, it's just the infantile screechers who are so obnoxious they're annoyingly visible and get all the attention.

 

[Kulindahr]

That website is a little creepy to me. Anyone else feel the same way?

Yeah. I checked out some of the articles. It's the same stinking thing the fundies do -- distorting, stirring up fear, hatemongering.

 

[bendted]

Some Christians think being gay is aokay.

I have yet to meet one. You?

 

[SonOfSlobone]

Some Christians think being gay is aokay.

I have yet to meet one. You?

Uh, yes, one of my best friends is an openly gay Unitarian minister.

You need to educate yourself, my friend. Several large Christian denominations are emphatically pro-gay. The Episcopal Church has risked a worldwide schism in the Anglican communion because they're standing by an openly gay man who was made a bishop in their church. The Unitarians have long been active supporters of gay rights. And numerous other denominations have varying degrees of support of gay people. Wikipedia has a pretty good summary (although for some reason they left off the Unitarians).

 

[Kulindahr]

You're still spouting the same bullshit again. Listen, vote results simply don't agree with you. Vote results always tell us most christians are anti-gay rights. Vote results shown us that most christians supported criminalizing gay people before the supreme court declared it unconstitutional. Vote results have shown us very consistently that they don't care about our rights to be recognized in monogamous relationships.

If anything, those christians who you claim to be loving and supportive of our rights are in the small minority. If christians are really as loving as you claim they are, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. Why? Because no matter how loud the loud obnoxious ones are, they can't control voting results. Voters control vote results.

You're so blinded by hate you're not thinking clearly.

More people in California favored marriage equality than opposed it. But they passed Proposition 8. All you're pointing out is that the fanatic haters get to the polls better.

 

[Kulindahr]

I have yet to meet one. You?

Don't pay attention much, do you?

Of course it's not surprising you would think so. Real Christians know that Jesus said people would know His disciples by their love -- as opposed to the ones who for some bizarre reason think He said people would know His disciples by how loud and obnoxious and angry they are.

 

[BigDestiny]

That website is a little creepy to me. Anyone else feel the same way?

No, I find it a lot creepy.

 

[Kulindahr]

No, I find it a lot creepy.

Did you catch the part where it says gays are superior beings?

 

[BigDestiny]

Did you catch the part where it says gays are superior beings?

Well we are, but there's no reason to be rude about it.

 

[Seasoned]

If Christians don't want to be blamed for anti-gay violence they need to stop promoting it and call out the so called christians that do. We need another word for a religion which goes against the tenents of Christianity.

Did all this start with Luther and being saved by faith alone? Do what you will you are either saved or not saved.

 

[Kulindahr]

If Christians don't want to be blamed for anti-gay violence they need to stop promoting it and call out the so called christians that do. We need another word for a religion which goes against the tenents of Christianity.

Did all this start with Luther and being saved by faith alone? Do what you will you are either saved or not saved.

We do call them out. They're not good at listening.

Actually, it started with Calvin and Zwingli -- the one was a lawyer, who turned Christianity into a different form of legal system from the Roman one; the other a soldier who led troops into battle to shed the blood of 'unbelievers'. Luther is the one who warned against mixing faith and politics, saying that the only power of the church is the declaration of the Gospel -- which means no scrambling after temporal power or trying to take over countries, merely arguing rationally for the faith. He told Christians it was better to have just and merciful rulers than Christian ones.

 

[FanofFiction]

I have yet to meet one. You?

Well, there's all the Christian ministers who marry same sex couples. There are gay Christians (myself and my husband, and our boarder). My Christian friends at my church... My family... SOME of my husband's family... The Christian politicians who fought for gay marriage in Canada...

 

[Kulindahr]

Well, there's all the Christian ministers who marry same sex couples. There are gay Christians (myself and my husband, and our boarder). My Christian friends at my church... My family... SOME of my husband's family... The Christian politicians who fought for gay marriage in Canada...

See? He's met us here and didn't even notice.

 

[Seasoned]

Thanks for your explaination.

 

[Kulindahr]

Why don't you address my main point, which is the crux of this matter? Voting results have consistently shown that most christians are against us having rights.

No, it only shows that haters vote more.

I actually listened to an interview of bishop Gene Robinson on my way home from work some time ago. Even he admitted that when it really comes down to it it is undeniable that the bible is anti-homosexual. But he believes that there were things christ didn't say back then because of the time and that he strongly believes christ would have approved homosexuality as times change. I'll try to dig the interview up online and post it later.

The Bible is "anti-homosexual" the same way it's "pro-slavery": by ignoring the principles.

 

[FanofFiction]

It's true. In it's earlier translations, the Bible was much less gay focused. It was with the induction of the King James version that the language was changed to be more critical of us.

 

[Kulindahr]

^^ Very much so.

^ And reasonably accurate.

If he was right about "the vast majority of Christians", then there would be thirty states with "one man -- one woman" amendments to their state constitutions, and a constitutional amendment saying the same would have been a done deal.