Climate Science biting liberals in the ass again.

[xbuzzerx]

Republicans of course want everyone to get a living wage.

Absolutely no way to make this statement unless you believe a) the current minimum wage is a comfortable living wage, which is more than demonstrably false, b) that you have utterly no clue that every Republican frontrunner doesn't feel the wage needs to go up (and/or, is even too high already.)

So, wrong.

 

[TX-Beau]

Absolutely no way to make this statement unless you believe a) the current minimum wage is a comfortable living wage, which is more than demonstrably false, b) that you have utterly no clue that every Republican frontrunner doesn't feel the wage needs to go up (and/or, is even too high already.)

So, wrong.

Well you hit the nail on the head there didn't you. "Republicans" on this board do indeed seem to feel that if you can't live off a slave wage from Wal-Mart, get off your lazy, welfare stealing, (probably brown) ass and GET ANOTHER FUCKING JOB!

What kind of fucking freeloaders have only one minimum wage job and probably ten or twelve bastard babies and that Cadillac in which they all drive off to the welfare office...

Deport them all, then life will be rosy!

 

[xbuzzerx]

Well you hit the nail on the head there didn't you. "Republicans" on this board do indeed seem to feel that if you can't live off a slave wage from Wal-Mart, get off your lazy, welfare stealing, (probably brown) ass and GET ANOTHER FUCKING JOB!

What kind of fucking freeloaders have only one minimum wage job and probably ten or twelve bastard babies and that Cadillac in which they all drive off to the welfare office...

Deport them all, then life will be rosy!

It's the same kind of thinking that believes everytime someone gets a college degree, a bell chimes and a six-figure salary job is created somewhere in the economy.

All everyone "doing the right thing and getting an education" led to is people with college degrees working in retail and food service. I forget the stat but the last time I looked I believe it was 20-25% of min wage earners with a college education.

 

[TX-Beau]

It's the same kind of thinking that believes everytime someone gets a college degree, a bell chimes and a six-figure salary job is created somewhere in the economy.

All everyone "doing the right thing and getting an education" led to is people with college degrees working in retail and food service. I forget the stat but the last time I looked I believe it was 20-25% of min wage earners with a college education.

I suppose, though I don't know anyone I went to college with who ended up earning minimum wage - but then it was a different world 20 years ago. I heard some snippets of this discussion on NPR radio a couple of days ago, the guy seemed to be saying that part of the problem was for profit "universities" giving out worthless degrees that were basically scams.

That kind of thing didn't exist when I got out of high school, and something more shocking, I remember paying about $9000,00 per year in tuition, now same school it's over $60,000.00.

 

[Benvolio]

Yttr

Absolutely no way to make this statement unless you believe a) the current minimum wage is a comfortable living wage, which is more than demonstrably false, b) that you have utterly no clue that every Republican frontrunner doesn't feel the wage needs to go up (and/or, is even too high already.)

So, wrong.

No. It is one thing to to believe workers should get a living wage. It is quite another thing to believe it should be dictated by the government. We do not share your yearning for dictatorship. Liberals are rapidly losing any understanding of the concept of freedom.

 

[TX-Beau]

Yttr
No. It is one thing to to believe workers should get a living wage. It is quite another thing to believe it should be dictated by the government. We do not share your yearning for dictatorship. Liberals are rapidly losing any understanding of the concept of freedom.

Notice how as the right became increasingly crazy. Ben's reactionary accusations against "liberals" have become increasingly irrational.

Obviously the more insane the right, the more demonic the left! When we hit an actual right wing crazy with a nomination, expect covens of "liberals" to begin eating decent white babies off in the dark somewhere...

 

[eddielee]

I wish that global warming was fiction, but the ice is melting so quickly that polar bears are having to swim great distances just to find ice that they can hunt seals on. Sadly global warming is a fact, as we are already seeing the dreadful results.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I suppose, though I don't know anyone I went to college with who ended up earning minimum wage - but then it was a different world 20 years ago. I heard some snippets of this discussion on NPR radio a couple of days ago, the guy seemed to be saying that part of the problem was for profit "universities" giving out worthless degrees that were basically scams.

That kind of thing didn't exist when I got out of high school, and something more shocking, I remember paying about $9000,00 per year in tuition, now same school it's over $60,000.00.

I think that -very- few people with a college education stuck in a minimum wage job to make ends meet would volunteer that information to anybody. I know incredibly little about the financial status of MOST of the people my age who I went to school with. But I know, just based off who owns homes and who doesn't and similar things you can't really hide very much, that hardly any of them are doing even as well as their parents were at the same age. Mind you, the people I grew up around and went to school with were all firmly middle class, and virtually ALL of them are college educated. I didn't grow up in downtown Chicago or anything.

That's the legacy people have inherited today, American dream in reverse. Instead of outdoing your parents, spend a longer period of your life just trying to approach reproducing their milestones.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Yttr
No. It is one thing to to believe workers should get a living wage. It is quite another thing to believe it should be dictated by the government. We do not share your yearning for dictatorship. Liberals are rapidly losing any understanding of the concept of freedom.

Newsflash Ben, asking employers 'nicely' to pay a living wage voluntarily has never worked, and will never happen. Ever.

Know what MADE that happen in the past? Unions. So now you support unions.

 

[TX-Beau]

Newsflash Ben, asking employers 'nicely' to pay a living wage voluntarily has never worked, and will never happen. Ever.

Know what MADE that happen in the past? Unions. So now you support unions.

YOU LIE!!!!!! EVERYONE knows that unions force kindly employers who just want to be nice to outsource jobs while the GUBMINT FORCES them to hire only illegals at wages that undercut decent, real (read white) 'MURRICANS!!!! Those poor, put-upon employers only want to give away their profits but that nasty N...... uh... MUSLIM (yeah Muslim) is forciung them to be cruel. OH THE HUMANITY!!!

Oh and yeah! ABORTIONS OF WHITE FETUSES and NEW WORLD ORDER!!!

 

[jbrown329]

IMO the only thing Ben supports is the wealthy. Fuck everyone else.

 

[TX-Beau]

I think that -very- few people with a college education stuck in a minimum wage job to make ends meet would volunteer that information to anybody. I know incredibly little about the financial status of MOST of the people my age who I went to school with. But I know, just based off who owns homes and who doesn't and similar things you can't really hide very much, that hardly any of them are doing even as well as their parents were at the same age. Mind you, the people I grew up around and went to school with were all firmly middle class, and virtually ALL of them are college educated. I didn't grow up in downtown Chicago or anything.

That's the legacy people have inherited today, American dream in reverse. Instead of outdoing your parents, spend a longer period of your life just trying to approach reproducing their milestones.

I also think it depends on where you went to school though. I doubt there are very many Stanford grads working at Wal-Mart, whereas if you went to State U Annex campus of Fucked up Red State, it's probably a larger percentage. My parents are farmers (my Mom used to be a School teacher) so I don't have the same kind of perspective as suburban kids. We never really did the whole 2.5 kids and a dog thingy. The land is still there, and you can still plow it, so no matter what, we are in the same position that my family has been in since the 1840's.

Perhaps the sheer amount of people who are getting degrees these days is another factor.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I also think it depends on where you went to school though. I doubt there are very many Stanford grads working at Wal-Mart,

True, but the slogan never went "be rich in the first place, and well connected enough to get into a rich university if you want to succeed in life, which you'd probably do anyway without the college education." The slogan was always "get an education."

whereas if you went to State U Annex campus of Fucked up Red State, it's probably a larger percentage. My parents are farmers (my Mom used to be a School teacher) so I don't have the same kind of perspective as suburban kids. We never really did the whole 2.5 kids and a dog thingy. The land is still there, and you can still plow it, so no matter what, we are in the same position that my family has been in since the 1840's.

Perhaps the sheer amount of people who are getting degrees these days is another factor.

I was addressing mainly the assumption that underlies ALL Republican attitudes towards minimum wage which, essentially, is: only kids work those for throwaway spending money, anyone seriously seeking employment has far better available to them. And that goes back to all these myths like "just more people getting education means the economy can support having more jobs that pay people more money", which, if anything, only the reverse has been true. The number of well paying jobs has gone down and the number of college educated people fighting for those jobs has gone up at the same time.

It's just the magical thinking of the right, that the economy magically opens up opportunity for anyone who "does the correct things." When there is actually virtually no relationship between how many people apply to school (whether it's to a major four-year or a local community college) and the quality and quantity of jobs available in the economy.

 

[frankfrank]

there is actually virtually no relationship between how many people apply to school (whether it's to a major four-year or a local community college) and the quality and quantity of jobs available in the economy.

I still feel like I'm alone in the wilderness, the only person in the world who thinks that a massive "college bubble" is going to burst.

The current status of extreme tuitions, and college available only to the richest of Americans, and becoming too expensive to be covered by full scholarships anymore, can't sustain.

 

[TX-Beau]

True, but the slogan never went "be rich in the first place, and well connected enough to get into a rich university if you want to succeed in life, which you'd probably do anyway without the college education." The slogan was always "get an education."

That really should have been the slogan for most of our history. It's only since the G.I. bill (wonder who that was) that universal college education has become a thing. I also think that there is something to the assertion that right wing wakos do want to keep people stupid and do their best to eliminate easy access to it.

I was addressing mainly the assumption that underlies ALL Republican attitudes towards minimum wage which, essentially, is: only kids work those for throwaway spending money, anyone seriously seeking employment has far better available to them. And that goes back to all these myths like "just more people getting education means the economy can support having more jobs that pay people more money", which, if anything, only the reverse has been true. The number of well paying jobs has gone down and the number of college educated people fighting for those jobs has gone up at the same time.

It's just the magical thinking of the right, that the economy magically opens up opportunity for anyone who "does the correct things." When there is actually virtually no relationship between how many people apply to school (whether it's to a major four-year or a local community college) and the quality and quantity of jobs available in the economy.

I'd counter that the lunatic right knows damn well who's making their Big Macs and is perfectly fine with shitting all over them. All the rest is justification because it's not polite to use "those" words anymore. At least in public.

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IMO the only thing Ben supports is the wealthy. Fuck everyone else.

Ben supports a fantasy - if it's even really a Ben and not a Bot in the first place.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I still feel like I'm alone in the wilderness, the only person in the world who thinks that a massive "college bubble" is going to burst.

The current status of extreme tuitions, and college available only to the richest of Americans, and becoming too expensive to be covered by full scholarships anymore, can't sustain.

When or if the day ever comes where culture lag catches up and parents stop insisting kids absolutely must go as far as they can possibly pressure them to because people say "well you have shit jobs waiting for you either way", then the rhetoric will simply change from the right and blame the poor job availability and poor prosperity of the middle class on the claim that people are too lazy to work and get an education like the people before them did.

Can't win. lol

Though yes you are absolutely right that kids trying to finance a quarter million in debt to go to school for the prospects of a 51k job are ridiculous and I already know of MANY people my age who did NOT pursue things they wanted to because they couldn't realistically foresee that what they'd make in the economy would justify the enormous debt they'd have to go into. Hell, I am one of these people as well.

 

[TX-Beau]

I still feel like I'm alone in the wilderness, the only person in the world who thinks that a massive "college bubble" is going to burst.

The current status of extreme tuitions, and college available only to the richest of Americans, and becoming too expensive to be covered by full scholarships anymore, can't sustain.

I posted above how tuition at my University has gone up over 600 percent in two decades. That's going to change things, I probably would have had a lot of student debt if I had to start over now - back then there weren't a lot of kids I knew who were getting financial aid, I myself got out of four years of undergrad with a grand total of $1000.00 in debt to the state of Texas - which I used to go study in Italy for a year.

 

[Benvolio]

P

I still feel like I'm alone in the wilderness, the only person in the world who thinks that a massive "college bubble" is going to burst.

The current status of extreme tuitions, and college available only to the richest of Americans, and becoming too expensive to be covered by full scholarships anymore, can't sustain.

Remember, college instructors are overwhelmingly liberal democrats. Universities avoid hiring conservatives and Republicans. Their salary and benefit expectations are a major factor in driving budgets through the roof. And here you thought only the corporatins and rich were greedy.

 

[xbuzzerx]

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Remember, college instructors are overwhelmingly liberal democrats. Universities avoid hiring conservatives and Republicans. Their salary and benefit expectations are a major factor in driving budgets through the roof. And here you thought only the corporatins and rich were greedy.

Meanwhile in reality world, many public university systems have pushed tenure into disuse, and moved to hiring professors on lecturer contracts to pay them less money and to be able to replace them at no notice.

But oh yes. The cost increases are due to "Liberal Democrat professors."

 

[TX-Beau]

Meanwhile in reality world, many public university systems have pushed tenure into disuse, and moved to hiring professors on lecturer contracts to pay them less money and to be able to replace them at no notice.

But oh yes. The cost increases are due to "Liberal Democrat professors."

If you ask the Professors at the G.W. Bush School of Economics at TAMU - they will tell you that College Costs have increased because Liberals are evil.

In State Tuition at Texas Universities was $19.00/credit hour when my next oldest brother started at UT, then of course, liberals became evil and things went all to hell.