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Cuba, what about trade?

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Latinos are often socially conservative, but the idea of taxing, taxing, taxing the rich to give freebies to the poor immigrants is appealing to them. So they strongly vote democrat and were often credited with swinging the 2012 election to Obama. So Obama has made massive immigration and amnesty of illegals his obsession, and the democrats strongly oppose requiring voters to show identification.

You might want to read the autopsy report that the Republican National Committee did on the 2012 election. Most Latinos (who are increasing in numbers) identify as Catholic or Evangelical. Even the RNC noted (and I have seen) that they do not believe in taxing and giving freebies. Your ignorance is amazing; most Latinos come to this country to achieve the American Dream which includes hard work, starting businesses, and sacrifice in order to achieve that dream. People like Donald Trump or, apparently you, wouldn't have a clue to how hard they work on a daily basis in order to see their families achieve success.

The RNC recognized (and even Georgie garnered a strong showing) that the Latino population could just as easily be Republican as Democrat. However, the Clown Car with its demands for self deportation and repeal of the 14th Amendment may just cement the Latino block firmly into the Democrat column for generations.

As for voter identification: it has been exposed over and over that there is no "voter fraud" except by Republicans trying to deny minorities the right to vote. I thought we had settled this with the 1964 Civil Rights Act but Republicans like a good civil war in order to stir up the base and solve non-existent problems rather than the issues that we need to tackle. If they were sincere in their efforts, they'd fund and create a national voting data base system that would preclude the ability to cast ballots in multiple locations (for instance snow birds who migrate from the north to the south and back). Of course, most of those are older, white folks who vote Republican so can't be any fraud there.
 
Latinos should have been conservatives - but then Republicans fired all the conservatives and went with xenophobic, evangelical, gay hating, Christo-Fascists - who don't like brown, and don't like foreign, and don't like Catholic.

You see the problem.
 
Latinos are often socially conservative, but the idea of taxing, taxing, taxing the rich to give freebies to the poor immigrants is appealing to them. So they strongly vote democrat and were often credited with swinging the 2012 election to Obama. So Obama has made massive immigration and amnesty of illegals his obsession, and the democrats strongly oppose requiring voters to show identification.

Lazy Mexican? I thought it went BLACK people are lazy welfare queens and MEXICANS are thieving criminals.

Did someone update the "code" without telling me?
 
The only person making more racist, ignorant remarks than Donald Trump lately has got to be Ben.
 
^ I know.....Here's the US....a roiling polyglot of people from every nation on earth since almost the beginning and some how immigration only started in 2008. Even more hilarious....the US basically steals the land from all the native people in order to settle more immigrants and plunder all the resources...and the Benvolios still have the gall to complain about immigrants trying to get theirs. Also ironic? The American colonists stole people by the tens of thousands, de-humanized them by reducing them to the equivalent of livestock and we still have the Benvolios whining about immigration.

You couldn't make this shit up.
 
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^ I know.....Here's the US....a roiling polyglot of people from every nation on earth since almost the beginning and some how immigration only started in 2008. Even more hilarious....the US basically steals the land from all the native people in order to settle more immigrants and plunder all the resources...and the Benvolios still have the gall to complain about immigrants trying to get theirs. Also ironic? The American colonists stole people by the tens of thousands, de-humanized them by reducing them to the equivalent of livestock and we still have the Benvolios whining about immigration.

You couldn't make this shit up.
You position is that because most most families immigrated here we can never, ever, ever, stop the flood of millions ans milliond, no matter how poor or miserable the people become, no matter how many millions are unemployed, no matter how the environment is trashed? That is absolutely stupid. The past is totally irrelevant to the question of the best policy now.The only question is what is best for the existing Americans. We are not obligated to destroy our nation to avoid "irony" or inconsistency. No one has a right to come here.
 
From the Statue of Liberty:

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Best if used by date: 2008
 
Pppo
From the Statue of Liberty:

immigration2.png


Best if used by date: 2008

We have all the wretched refuse we can handle. Lets give our own refuse a chance for awhile. The statue was hijacked by Emma Lazarus. It is entitled "Liberty enlightening the World" not liberty welcoming wretched.
 
Pppo

We have all the wretched refuse we can handle. Lets give our own refuse a chance for awhile. The statue was hijacked by Emma Lazarus. It is entitled "Liberty enlightening the World" not liberty welcoming wretched.

Republicans are our wretched refuse, they don't need a "chance."
 
Pppo

We have all the wretched refuse we can handle. Lets give our own refuse a chance for awhile. The statue was hijacked by Emma Lazarus. It is entitled "Liberty enlightening the World" not liberty welcoming wretched.

Sounds like Mitt Romney all over again with his wonderful 47%. No wonder Republicans lose and lose and lose....
 
The statue was hijacked by Emma Lazarus.
Wrong: The statue was a gift to the U.S. from the government of France. The "hijacking" is your fantasy.

It is entitled "Liberty enlightening the World" not liberty welcoming wretched.
Wrong: The poem is entitled "The New Colossus."



My dad was an immigrant. His being here made the U.S. a better place. :D
 
Wrong: The statue was a gift to the U.S. from the government of France. The "hijacking" is your fantasy.


Wrong: The poem is entitled "The New Colossus."



My dad was an immigrant. His being here made the U.S. a better place. :D

Wrong. The actual name of the statue is "liberty enlightening the world" to commemorate the US achievements of democracy and ending slavery. This is from Wikipedia:
"The project is traced to a conversation between Édouard René de Laboulaye, a staunch abolitionist and Frédéric Bartholdi, a sculptor in mid-1865. In after-dinner conversation at his home near Versailles, Laboulaye, an ardent supporter of the Union in the American Civil War, is supposed to have said: "If a monument should rise in the United States, as a memorial to their independence, I should think it only natural if it were built by united effort—a common work of both our nations."[7] The National Park Service, in a 2000 report, however, deemed this a legend traced to an 1885 fundraising pamphlet, and that the statue was most likely conceived in 1870.[8] In another essay on their website, the Park Service suggested that Laboulaye was minded to honor the Union victory and its consequences, "With the abolition of slavery and the Union's victory in the Civil War in 1865, Laboulaye's wishes of freedom and democracy were turning into a reality in the United States. In order to honor these achievements, Laboulaye proposed that a gift be built for the United States on behalf of France. Laboulaye hoped that by calling attention to the recent achievements of the United States, the French people would be inspired to call for their own democracy in the face of a repressive monarchy."[9]

Source Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty#Origin

Emma Lazarus hijacked the statue with the poem, perverting the purpose, making it seem that the statue was intended to invite wretched refuse to invade. I can believe you father was good for the country, but have you ever thought that part of the reason blacks have been held down is because immigrants have taken jobs the blacks could have had, but for discrimination? The fact that immigration was once a good thing does not prove that is is now or that an infinite number will be good. We need water to live, but a flood will drown us.
 
I can believe you father was good for the country, but have you ever thought that part of the reason blacks have been held down is because immigrants have taken jobs the blacks could have had, but for discrimination? The fact that immigration was once a good thing does not prove that is is now or that an infinite number will be good. We need water to live, but a flood will drown us.

I'm glad Wikipedia is your friend because a study of history is not. Blacks were discriminated against because they were a different skin color and viewed as something "lower than a white man." It took a Civil War, amendments to the constitution and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to begin to reverse the belief that white was superior. One only needs to look at today's far right and the debate over the Confederate Flag to see that blacks, Catholics, Jewish, Latino, and anything but white is inferior to the white person as a belief.

While the 14th amendment passed in 1868 which recognized birthright and citizenship for former slaves and blacks, it wasn't until 1887 under the Dawes Act that American Indians were eligible for citizenship of the USA. It would take until 1924 and passage of the Indian Citizenship Act to formally recognize American Indians as American citizens (with dual citizenship if they choose and meet certain criteria -- both to the tribal nation and USA).

Americans, particularly white America, seems to have a problem with anyone other than that color. Today's Republican debate on revoking the 14th amendment and the idiocy espoused by people like Mark Levin who claims Congress can pass a simple piece of legislation to gut the rights of those afforded them (which the Supreme Court has always found unconstitutional) only seek to prove the point that color is evil. The Polish, Irish, and even Chinese immigrants likely had an easier time assimilating into America because their skin was of a like color. Latinos, Carribean immigrants, and Africans are once again under assault, this time by the Party of Lincoln.
 
Wrong. The actual name of the statue is "liberty enlightening the world" to commemorate the US achievements of democracy and ending slavery. This is from Wikipedia:


Emma Lazarus hijacked the statue with the poem, perverting the purpose, making it seem that the statue was intended to invite wretched refuse to invade. I can believe you father was good for the country, but have you ever thought that part of the reason blacks have been held down is because immigrants have taken jobs the blacks could have had, but for discrimination? The fact that immigration was once a good thing does not prove that is is now or that an infinite number will be good. We need water to live, but a flood will drown us.
My father came here deliberately to make Americans suffer. Oh, the horror! I'm sure that now he is burning in Hell.
 
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