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Curious... Is my friend too? - Discussion

Well see... I would just let it go with his brother but he is right there with being almost a brother for me. And frank WILL NOT talk to him. He actually wants me to. Frank and his brother are close but frank finds talking about anything sexual in nature with him is too awkward so he avoids it like the plague. So I have to... For frank. Plus I need to talk to him about the attitude he has had with me recently.

I know my advances aren't hidden. They were intially but I've just started to be more blunt with it. And I know he isn't totally oblivious, however I think he is a little. He is extremely spacey sometimes and totally misses the basic idea of somethings. But it's good hearing from you pheonix. Glad you took the time to post that
 
So ... if You "need" to talk to "Frank's" brother, for "Frank", of course, DO NOT make it a sexual talk! Just mention that you happened to notice what the kid had been doing on your computer, and that it would be a good idea for him to cover his tracks. Then ... do him a HUGE favor, and show him how to delete his browser history!

Make it clear that you do not, necessarily, appreciate what he's been up to, on YOUR computer. And, that you would prefer he never do that again! But ... if he should ever feel that he needs to cover where he's "been", this is how to do it.

NOTHING more than that! Just a lesson in how Dangerous where someone has been surfing can be.

Of course ... no matter what ...

Keep smilin'!! :kiss:(*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
Well see... I would just let it go with his brother but he is right there with being almost a brother for me. And frank WILL NOT talk to him. He actually wants me to. Frank and his brother are close but frank finds talking about anything sexual in nature with him is too awkward so he avoids it like the plague. So I have to... For frank. Plus I need to talk to him about the attitude he has had with me recently.

I know my advances aren't hidden. They were intially but I've just started to be more blunt with it. And I know he isn't totally oblivious, however I think he is a little. He is extremely spacey sometimes and totally misses the basic idea of somethings. But it's good hearing from you pheonix. Glad you took the time to post that

Trust me dude, he knows. He's playing dumb.

Do what you think is best; just be careful with your heart.

Oh, I'm glad you were glad to hear from me! I'm always around, I just keep back until I feel something needs to be said. :) From me anyway :D
 
Well frank said not to tell him how to delete it. It would only encourage porn viewing. I wouldn't mind telling him in like two years... But not now.
 
Your probably right phoenix. That's why I tried talking about it. See if he actually caught on or how he really felt. Which I'm STILL not sure about how he feels about it. My gut tells me he really is interested he is just afraid.

I try not to say anything but I just end up saying it once I consider saying it.
 
My take on the friend is that he is either not interested in doing anything sexual with you or is not ready. You have made your willingness very clear, therefore the ball is now in his court. If you keep pushing, you may drive him away. By the way, if you know he avoids talking about anything sexual like the plague, why do you try to talk to him about it? That's just asking for trouble (IMO).

With regard to his brother, is it possible that he wanted you to find what he had been looking at? My guess is that most 13 year old's already know how to delete a browser history. If he does know, then either he is sloppy, doesn't care if you know or wants you to know. Personally I wouldn't make a big deal about it with him. If you feel you need to talk to him, I would probably say something like, "I noticed what you were looking at on my computer. Is there anything you want to take about?" If he says no, tell him he's too young and shouldn't be looking at stuff like that. Then drop it. By the way, my guess is that most 13 year old boys look at some type of porn, so it's not really a huge deal. Obviously it's better to discourage it as he's at an impressionable age and viewing a large amount may not be healthy.
 
No frank is fine talking with me about it. I'm like the one person he feels comfortable talking about it with I think. He just doesn't like talking to his brother about it.

And as far as franks brother knowing how to delete stuff... I don't think he does. They don't have regular access to the internet because they have been building a house then moving to a rental house when they sold it and waiting on the next house to be built. So most guys his age would know how to but he doesn't. I've actually met a 15 year old that didn't know how to clear the history.

The conversation with him is going to be very general. In other words I'm not going to be like "oh looking up zac efron huh?". It's going to be "I saw you were looking up porn on my computer. Don't do it because it's my responsibility if it's on mine. And I would suggest not looking at it on other computers if you can't get rid of it". Then Im going to let him know it will be between me and him. I'll probably say something about sexuality and not to worry about the size of his penis, since he was looking up ways to increase his size. I'm going to offer him my knowledge about things of he ever has questions because I know at that age if you don't look it up yourself then you'll probably hear something crazy from one of your friends that knows little more than you.

People probably think this is over the top but I told the kid about jacking off when he asked me over the summer. Not much reason to worry about it after that conversation.
 
No frank is fine talking with me about it. I'm like the one person he feels comfortable talking about it with I think. He just doesn't like talking to his brother about it.

And as far as franks brother knowing how to delete stuff... I don't think he does. They don't have regular access to the internet because they have been building a house then moving to a rental house when they sold it and waiting on the next house to be built. So most guys his age would know how to but he doesn't. I've actually met a 15 year old that didn't know how to clear the history.

The conversation with him is going to be very general. In other words I'm not going to be like "oh looking up zac efron huh?". It's going to be "I saw you were looking up porn on my computer. Don't do it because it's my responsibility if it's on mine. And I would suggest not looking at it on other computers if you can't get rid of it". Then Im going to let him know it will be between me and him. I'll probably say something about sexuality and not to worry about the size of his penis, since he was looking up ways to increase his size. I'm going to offer him my knowledge about things of he ever has questions because I know at that age if you don't look it up yourself then you'll probably hear something crazy from one of your friends that knows little more than you.

People probably think this is over the top but I told the kid about jacking off when he asked me over the summer. Not much reason to worry about it after that conversation.

Dude, I honestly don't know what to say about it. On the one hand I agree that it's your computer and there's nothing wrong with saying, hey don't be looking that stuff up on mycomputer. BUT seriously, a bigger part of me says don't say anything or be MORE general than that because I know you're going to say something anyway :)

I think you want to talk to the kid out of misplaced loyalty. Your friend is not gonna go "hey, he's so cool with my brother. Maybe I should see what he really knows sexually!"

I know you haven't asked specifically, but if it were me, I would put my foot down and if your friend feels like his brother needs to be chatted with then I would insist he be the one to do the chatting. Tell him to get over it! Not everyone exposed catches the plague.

You can advise your friend on what he could say. I mean the kid may be just like a brother to you, but his brother is right there. You don't need to step in unless his brother is not around. Help your friend be a better brother because you're his friend.

But I'm lost....why does anything need to said again? Who is this John person again? For that matter, backpacker has a point, how do you even know the brother is the one looking stuff up? It could be your friend, and could not be. It could be someone playing a trick, and there you'll be in a damn awkward situation.

It just seems like you're trying too hard to show how cool you are with the whole "taboo" subject, and it's showing. People can feel and pick up on this stuff, especially if they are sensitive to it as your friend seems to be. I think you genuinely back off from time to time and when you do, your friend responds and he broaches the subject, but then you may take that as an all clear and you go in balls to the wall and he shuts down again.

the sexually confused scare very easily buddy!

I might be wrong, but I've been in your shoes before and they seem to be a perfect fit. I'm worried you're setting yourself up for a great deal of pain. From my experience, it's a pain that is noteasy to get over.
 
I work on my... Advances daily. Trust me. I think about saying things all the time but I don't anymore like I did before.

I've talked it over with frank so many times he needs to be there for his brother but he won't do it.

John is one of my other friends that was once friends with frank. They were both involved with Trent and his sexual experiementation. John hasn't shared with me as much as frank had but frank has told me john and Trent did stuff from what he heard from both of them. I talked about their ordeal in here a while back.

I know it was franks brother. The only people that use my computer are me and my mom. And my mom use the guest account which is the same thing he used when he was over. I don't let him use my account after he found my... Personal nude pictures I took for fun once and forgot to delete. And I'm not trying to be the "oh I'm smart I know this stuff I'm right" with the sexuality stuff. Sexuality is something different for everyone so I don't try to pretend I know about it. I can share my opinion.
 
I work on my... Advances daily. Trust me. I think about saying things all the time but I don't anymore like I did before.

I've talked it over with frank so many times he needs to be there for his brother but he won't do it.

John is one of my other friends that was once friends with frank. They were both involved with Trent and his sexual experiementation. John hasn't shared with me as much as frank had but frank has told me john and Trent did stuff from what he heard from both of them. I talked about their ordeal in here a while back.

I know it was franks brother. The only people that use my computer are me and my mom. And my mom use the guest account which is the same thing he used when he was over. I don't let him use my account after he found my... Personal nude pictures I took for fun once and forgot to delete. And I'm not trying to be the "oh I'm smart I know this stuff I'm right" with the sexuality stuff. Sexuality is something different for everyone so I don't try to pretend I know about it. I can share my opinion.


I wasn't implying that you are being all know it all. Of course you can share your opinion and everything may be fine and this old cynic can be happy for you.

I guess tell him you were found some odd stuff (don't specify so maybe you avoid some awkwardness) on your computer history, but not to worry about it - you've taken care of it. We've all done it, just be careful where you do it. And say, "hey remember when you looked in a wrong file on my computer, dude you don't wanna go finding scary stuff like that again, huh?" Make it light. IF you just have to do it.

As for your friend, my best advice is to play it cool 85% of the time you're around him. Some guys especially the gittery, easily frightened, and sexually confused straight with a history start to get needy...it's kind of cute in way. Better yet when he wants to go hang out or something, be unavailable for one night. When he texts you don't respond right away if at all. Let him see what's like when the warmth of love/affection isn't bathing him all the time. He'll appreciate you.

If your friend has something to tell you; he'll tell you on your own terms. All you can do is be there for him which is what you're doing. Guys talk when they wanna talk or if they are playing soccer or tennis or going running together or something
 
Very true. Now that I think about it when I don't reply to him he does sent duplicate messages to me. It's also when I'm around him on person I play it cool. I know he tries to keep my attention. He will come over and sit right next to me (totally what I would consider in my space for other guys but for him it's fine by me) to show me something on his iPod or phone or something.

But ya that's exactly what I plan to say to his brother. I'm hoping to talk to him today.
 
So I haven't had my chat yet. I get too busy with things and can't get over to their house. But frank came over today. Just sat on my bed and played on his iPod. It's been kinda awkwardly quiet. Like he is waiting for something to happen. I noticed he would kind of glance up at me then go back to what he was doing.

As retarded as it sounds I have this sense that I can read emotion off people. Not sure if it's a form of ESP or if I just have a very very effective way of reading body language (whichever you prefer). But I was definitely sensing something different from him these last few times he has been over. Like I said... It's like he was waiting for something. And then when he left it was really fast and like he was... Not really disappointed but... Like he didn't get what he was expecting maybe?

No I'm not just suddenly making this up... I'm extremely accurate with this and I just keep it from people because they either get freaked out or think I'm crazy. I understand this kinda contradicts my whole reason for coming here and asking for advice... But I still wanted others advice who had either seen this before or could just help with my actions. That's why I've been so adamant about KNOWING there was more with him... And I was right.
 
Because I get cold feet. I chicken out. Plus I want it to be in the moment type of thing. Not just me lunging at him when he is just chilling on the bed. Now if it were during one of our cuddling sessions... I would likely try something since I get so horny.
 
I think it might be "High Time" to be trying to start "something more" during your cuddling sessions! (Gently, of course!) :badgrin: (group)

Keep smilin'!! :kiss:(*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
It's not going to happen for a while. He decided to be stupid and "misunderstand" that I wanted to hang out so he is going to another friends. I would explain but it's too detailed and it just pisses me off and makes me hurt at the same time. So maybe next weekend.

But I do want suggestions. Preferably subtle and realistic... Nothing like just grab his cock... That isn't going to happen initially to get things started.
 
Talked to Frank's brother. It went well. He denied the porn searches but I told him I knew it was him. It was still awkward... but it went well. Ha
 
I didn't mention that he got really honest with me. Frank wanted me to include the "jacking off in private" chat with the rest because he has happened upon his brother jacking off. So I said you don't need to admit anything (even though just about every guy does it) but when you do it make sure it's not going to be found out by others because it's just as embarrassing and awkward for them as it would be for you. The kid told me he did it and loves it and can't go without it. I was like well... Not expecting that one. But we had a nice texting convo about many things. It's probably not really appropriate since I'm not really his brother... But I will step up to the job. I would rather him learn the facts from me over ridiculous stories from his friends. Or just not learn anything at all like he would from frank.
 
He stayed over last night. He was wanting another friend to stay over (another story entirely) so I was kinda worried he was using that as a way to keep the snuggling down. But I made it clear I didn't want this other friend to stay so he didn't in the end.

So initially he didn't really cuddle. I had to start it again. But I think he was asleep for the first half of the night thats why. It started out the same as usual... just laying next to each other, kinda playing with each others feet, etc. And I've decided he really doesn't like being the big spoon... I kinda spooned him a while then turned over hoping he would catch on and all I got was a knee in my lower back. Every other time I was the big spoon. Which isn't a problem... but I'd like to have him around me occasionally. Ha. I didn't necessarily hide my boner if I had one but I didn't poke him with it. I did occasionally rub it up against him just to hint that I had one. But nothing. I also did casual arm placements. Ha. One point I had my arm laying on his stomach. Than another time I had my hand on his butt... He really does have a nice butt btw. Haha.

Things really got hot when he once again got his arm in a position that it was right in front of my mouth. So I rubbed my lips on his bicep... when I'd stop he would move his arm a little to let me know he wanted more. Then at one point I guess I had a bit of bravery? I was definitely half asleep so I didn't totally realize I was doing it. I almost wrestled him with my head into a position that my face was right next to his (before his arm was blocking it) and our arms got all entangled and we were pretty much holding hands at one point. But anyway I moved a few times and rubbed my lips on his face... He somehow got an arm over his head and got his hand between my face and his. I guess to block what happened? But then he was rubbing his fingers on my lips kinda. So I don't know...? Also when I did this I wrapped one of my legs around his and had our feet rubbing up against each others.

After this things subsided... he kinda stayed on his half of the bed. Occasionally snuggling but not much. I had to snuggle and spoon to him. He did let our faces get close a few more times but I decided not to try anything.

And I promise... I'm not bringing ANYTHING up. Haha. Not going to talk about it with him. But I think next time he is over I will let someone stay over... just to let him know I wasn't refusing someone to stay over just so we would cuddle. Ha.
 
He stayed over last night. He was wanting another friend to stay over (another story entirely) so I was kinda worried he was using that as a way to keep the snuggling down. But I made it clear I didn't want this other friend to stay so he didn't in the end.

So initially he didn't really cuddle. I had to start it again. But I think he was asleep for the first half of the night thats why. It started out the same as usual... just laying next to each other, kinda playing with each others feet, etc. And I've decided he really doesn't like being the big spoon... I kinda spooned him a while then turned over hoping he would catch on and all I got was a knee in my lower back. Every other time I was the big spoon. Which isn't a problem... but I'd like to have him around me occasionally. Ha. I didn't necessarily hide my boner if I had one but I didn't poke him with it. I did occasionally rub it up against him just to hint that I had one. But nothing. I also did casual arm placements. Ha. One point I had my arm laying on his stomach. Than another time I had my hand on his butt... He really does have a nice butt btw. Haha.

Things really got hot when he once again got his arm in a position that it was right in front of my mouth. So I rubbed my lips on his bicep... when I'd stop he would move his arm a little to let me know he wanted more. Then at one point I guess I had a bit of bravery? I was definitely half asleep so I didn't totally realize I was doing it. I almost wrestled him with my head into a position that my face was right next to his (before his arm was blocking it) and our arms got all entangled and we were pretty much holding hands at one point. But anyway I moved a few times and rubbed my lips on his face... He somehow got an arm over his head and got his hand between my face and his. I guess to block what happened? But then he was rubbing his fingers on my lips kinda. So I don't know...? Also when I did this I wrapped one of my legs around his and had our feet rubbing up against each others.

After this things subsided... he kinda stayed on his half of the bed. Occasionally snuggling but not much. I had to snuggle and spoon to him. He did let our faces get close a few more times but I decided not to try anything.

And I promise... I'm not bringing ANYTHING up. Haha. Not going to talk about it with him. But I think next time he is over I will let someone stay over... just to let him know I wasn't refusing someone to stay over just so we would cuddle. Ha.

Dude. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that your friend most likely DOES NOT LIKE what you are doing to him. I mean it's the same pattern all the time, you move close, he moves away. And given the fact that any time you try to talk to things about him (which is way too much IMO) he just gives non-commital answers suggests you make him uncomfortable by talking about it, or else he just doesn't care. I can guarantee that he's not getting the same "excitement" out of something as matinee as "rubbing legs" in a bed as you are.

He was wanting another friend to stay over (another story entirely) so I was kinda worried he was using that as a way to keep the snuggling down. But I made it clear I didn't want this other friend to stay so he didn't in the end.
Furthermore, it sounds like you semi-force him into situations (such as sleeping in the same bed alone) and then use the fact that he doesn't fuck you off when you make advances on him to enforce the idea of his perceived "curiousity".

The most likely explaination is that he is your friend, first and foremost, and doesn't want to lose you AS A FRIEND.

I apologise is this is harsh, but you've fucked around with this for what seems forever (over a year!). Time to move on man...
 
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