Dems cancel Nevada Pres Debate on Fox

[Centexfarmer]

Does anyone even consider WHY there are more liberal leaning networks????

Just wondering???

To keep the propaganda down to a mimimum?

 

[scrapple]

Tim Russert had a pollster on recently who verified to Russert that 80% of network reporters were Democrats. Russert did not dispute those figures. Hmmm....maybe now you understand why we might be just a little concerned about the way the news is presented.

 

[Andreus]

Tim Russert had a pollster on recently who verified to Russert that 80% of network reporters were Democrats. Russert did not dispute those figures. Hmmm....maybe now you understand why we might be just a little concerned about the way the news is presented.

care to present us with a source for this info so we can read over it ourserlves?

i know the answer already

the dog ate it

i cant find it

it used to be there but its gone

uh huh

 

[Centexfarmer]

Tim Russert had a pollster on recently who verified to Russert that 80% of network reporters were Democrats. Russert did not dispute those figures. Hmmm....maybe now you understand why we might be just a little concerned about the way the news is presented.

Well, until you can provide a link to a transcript, or to the "pollster" who made the claims it's just hearsay.

What I can prove is that Republicans trust FOX NEWS over any other source:

As where the Democrats give the same Credibility rating for the News Hour with Jim Lehrer and NPR as the Republicans give to FOX News.

You can read the entire report on Media Credibility conducted by The Pew Charitable Trusts here:

Section 5: Media Credibility.

Now another poster in this forum presented something awhile back in another thread in regard to "media bias and journalism," but I couldn't find that information. Even that, as I recall, refutes the alledged pollster's claim on Tim Russert's Meet the Press.

So a link would be great! I'll help you out! Here's the link to Meet the Press with Tim Russert. I wasn't able to find anything.

 

[chance1]

I love it

Fox is one republican/conservative leaner

all the rest are dem/liberal

somehow fox is the problem

look in the mirror boys

look hard

 

[NW007]

i love the republican mentality when it comes to the media

all news sources BUT fox are biased...lol

and they are the only ones that arent

what a laugh

you DO realize how nutty and out in space that sounds, right?

Get real, no one is saying tat FOX doesn't lean to the right. Come on the liberal networks outnumber FOX by about 6 to 1. You have 6 networks with your biases. Just don't get so worked up over FOX. Unless it is the fact that FOX viewership outnumbers all of the others that bothers everyone..

 

[NW007]

Well, until you can provide a link to a transcript, or to the "pollster" who made the claims it's just hearsay.

What I can prove is that Republicans trust FOX NEWS over any other source:

As where the Democrats give the same Credibility rating for the News Hour with Jim Lehrer and NPR as the Republicans give to FOX News.

You can read the entire report on Media Credibility conducted by The Pew Charitable Trusts here:

Section 5: Media Credibility.

Now another poster in this forum presented something awhile back in another thread in regard to "media bias and journalism," but I couldn't find that information. Even that, as I recall, refutes the alledged pollster's claim on Tim Russert's Meet the Press.

So a link would be great! I'll help you out! Here's the link to Meet the Press with Tim Russert. I wasn't able to find anything.

Interesting that all this ranking does is cover the political spectrum from left leaning to right leaning, but not necessarily in exact order. As you go from the top to the bottom it would be natural for the publications to get less Democratic followers and more conservative followers. The ranking lists the two extremes on the top and the bottom. Doesn't prove any thing about objective news sources.

 

[Nishin]

NW007 ... may I ask a personal question?
Do you personally think it's ok for a media that wants to pass as informative to spread lies ?
Actually another question... do you really not know the difference between bias and flat out lies??

 

[NW007]

there has never been a media outlet intentionally constructed to portray a liberal slant.. the republicans will hem and haw and insist that their opinion is the truth, but it really is just their opinion

if the news doesnt represent their agenda then it is biased in their opinion, and targeted by spinmeisters and prpaganda machines

fox was intentionally structured to pander to a part of the market based on rush limbaughs success on the radio

that qualifies it as an entertainment channel, not a news source

its like getting your news from the i love lucy show

How about Air America for one? (Not doing so well is it?)

 

[chance1]

I'm not sure how you learned to argue, but just because you make a concession doesn't mean others have to give into your unfounded assertion. Have any substantial proof to the myth?

unfounded assertion?

IC - if ur saying that MSNBC and CNN and NBC don't play it extreme liberal well - not sure there's any hope for u

BTW - I really dig u - despite the hopelessness of ur beliefs

 

[Andreus]

aside from a few personal insults from the republicans and fox supporters, they seem to be unable to acnowledge the absolute reality of the evidence presented.

this is disconcerting because it implies that an entire belief system requires one to intentionally ignore facts just to maintain it.

THAT is SAD

 

[NW007]

NW007 ... may I ask a personal question?
Do you personally think it's ok for a media that wants to pass as informative to spread lies ?
Actually another question... do you really not know the difference between bias and flat out lies??

No, it is not as to your first question. That is why Dan Rather is no longer an anchor). You guys are confusing commentators on networks with News reporters. I am willing to say that most of you have problems with the Fox Commentators as opposed to the actual news reporters. Commentators can spout their opinions all day, because that is all it is. It is different when News Anchors start expressing opinions as opposed to reporting the news. Big difference.

In terms of your second question, I know the difference , do you? In terms of digesting the news and current events, I read a vast numbers of publications and view many news programs on a daily basis as part of my profession. These publications are across the financial and political spectrum; so I am well aware of various baises by different publications and networks. However, I am able to factor that into the filtering process; and don't have to get so worked up over one particular source.

It just gets real tiring to see the constant hatred shown by some posters toward one particular news source or one particular politician. that being said, I do realize that most threads in this forum aren't started to have rational discussions from a political standpoint..

 

[Andreus]

most all threads that bring up fox are made by conservatives and republicans

that is just a fact

the source is tainted and it will always be

this wont change if you like the message

once the well is poisoned there is no going back to it

period

 

[chance1]

Thanks, chance, you rock too. Regardless, I've argued against the liberal media bias myth on here and I'm standing behind my previous argument because it went unrefuted. I know that there are liberal voices out there, but the network itself is 'extreme liberal'? Burden of proof is on the accuser, chance---help him if you want. I'll wait.

I think "proof" is in the eye of the beholder

as in watch it, study it, report ur findings

I will admit, that in watching CNN on the weekends (at the gym - midday early afternoon) I have been impressed with their Iraq coverage. So I think non prime time they are doing better at being balanced.

MSNBC is a joke - Keith, Matthews (he's blowing with the liberal wind now - he could go the other way), their "correspondents"

NBC has a long list of extremers hosting and as guests - scary - and it's costing them

I guess what I'm saying is u just have to listen

If u don't see it/hear it - oh well

still love u IC - mean it - even though ur icon is all mean and shit - ur good

who do u like in the NCAA's??

 

[NW007]

aside from a few personal insults from the republicans and fox supporters, they seem to be unable to acnowledge the absolute reality of the evidence presented.

this is disconcerting because it implies that an entire belief system requires one to intentionally ignore facts just to maintain it.

THAT is SAD

You keep talking about facts and evidence. I see no evidence or facts from any of you to support your arguments. What facts are you referring to in this post . You constantly are trashing FOX, President Bush, and Republicans; which is your right. What I see are not facts but merely the spilling of the Democratic talking points carried to the extreme.

However, most posts from the left leaning side are merely their own personal beliefs and biases and nothing more. Just look at the adjectives and other words used in referring to people. It is not what I would consider a rational well thought out political discussion. The discussions on many of these threads are a mere reflection of the sad state of political discussion(or lack there of) on the national level.

 

[NW007]

most all threads that bring up fox are made by conservatives and republicans

that is just a fact

the source is tainted and it will always be

this wont change if you like the message

once the well is poisoned there is no going back to it

period

So by your argument ; the same can be said of MSNBC, NYT, CBS, NBC, etc , etc. So where does that leave us. It explains why most news sources are taken by a grain of salt by Americans. News journalism just doesn't have the same level of trust and respect it use to.

 

[Andreus]

i hadnt noticed your posts NOT possessing a bipartisan flavor, NW

are you saying that democrats should be held to a higher standard than you just because they disagree with you?

actually you have asserted that there is a liberal bias in the n=mainstream media

i asked for you to prove that

you couldnt

there has been proof supplied here that shows that fox intentionally misleads people by presenting false evidence as fact

you refuse to comment on these two realities

so.....

 

[Andreus]

So by your argument ; the same can be said of MSNBC, NYT, CBS, NBC, etc , etc. So where does that leave us. It explains why most news sources are taken by a grain of salt by Americans. News journalism just doesn't have the same level of trust and respect it use to.

noi the same cannot be said about them

what are you talking about?

most news sources are NOT taken with a grain of salt

lol

 

[NW007]

i hadnt noticed your posts possessing a bipartisan flavor, NW

are you saying that democrats should be held to a higher standard than you just because they disagree with you?

actually you have asserted that there is a liberal bias in the n=mainstream media

i asked for you to prove that

you couldnt

there has been proof supplied here that shows that fox intentionally misleads people by presenting false evidence as fact

you refuse to comment on these two realities

_________________________________________________________________I have told you several times today that I know that Fox has a bias toward the right. so that is not a debatable issue okay. The problem is that you seem to think that there has to be this burden of evidence that you will accept that various news sources have a liberal bias. the problem is that I am not sure that liberals can see the bias in these news sources because those sources hold the same beliefs and views as you do; therefore you don't or aren't willing to see the bias. Look at the viewship rankings that Centexfarmer posted earlier tonight. It has the two extremes on top and bottom, and every other source ranked in between. If you can't see the ranking and correlations to beliefs, I don't think I can begin to convince you otherwise.

 

[Andreus]

it is not established that fox is biased because you said so

it is established that fox is biased because someone presented evidence that they are

you have not presented evidence that ALL THE OTHERS are biased in a liberal way

you havent even made an attempt at researching it