Desperate Housewives starts Sept 30th!

[josher]

It's called Desperate Housewives, not Desperate Gay Neighbors or Desperate Gay Sons.

Andrew and Lee and Bob will always be minor characters.

The show is about the four leads plus Edie.

Katherine may or may not stick around to be the fifth leading role. Marc Cherry certainly wanted her in the original cast, but she turned him down. I'm sure he'd like her to stay. (He signed a contract with her that actually lasts longer than his current DH contract with ABC.)

 

[Homoaffectional]

It's called Desperate Housewives, not Desperate Gay Neighbors or Desperate Gay Sons.

Andrew and Lee and Bob will always be minor characters.

Lee and Bob, yes... Andrew certainly no. He's definitely earned his stripes and is up there with characters like Mike, Susan's daughter, Tom, Orson, and Mrs. McClusky.

 

[josher]

Lee and Bob, yes... Andrew certainly no. He's definitely earned his stripes and is up there with characters like Mike, Susan's daughter, Tom, Orson, and Mrs. McClusky.

Well, the husbands/boyfriends are second leads, but they're only there to interact with the Housewives, and they're completely disposable. Rex and Carl, anyone?

I've no doubt Andrew will get his own little arc every now and then, like Mrs. McClusky did, particularly since Cherry seems to be really gaying it up this season. (As soon as I saw Richard Chamberlain's face, I knew he was going to say he was gay. Quite the little in-joke.)

But in the end Andrew, Mrs. McClusky or any of the the other minor characters could be eliminated without changing the dynamics of the show very much. Gay men might miss Andrew, but the show's core audience wouldn't much care.

 

[ilovejt]

yooooooooooo
i heard theyre ending season 4 with the episode coming up on sunday (the tornado one)

that would mean that there would be no new epiosdes until next september =((
omg
& the dvds only gonna have 9 episodes


stupid writers strike

 

[Spellbound]

^^^
Source?

 

[starlight70]

Lee and Bob, yes... Andrew certainly no. He's definitely earned his stripes and is up there with characters like Mike, Susan's daughter, Tom, Orson, and Mrs. McClusky.

With Andrew being shipped out of the house, it does look like a reason to have less Andrew. That last episode got me all liking Andrew. Suddenly, he was the best gay on tv. And oh yeah.. last episode - most gay episode - coming out, gay son moving out.

 

[josher]

According to Entertainment Weekly there are 1 or 2 filmed episodes left after the hurricane episode.

(The reason I'm not sure if it's 1 or 2 is because I don't know whether or not they were including last week's episode on their list. It played after the magazine was mailed, but before the publicaion date.)

I wouldn't be surprised if they waited until January to show it/them. November sweeps are over and the networks generally show reruns before and during Christmastime.

If I weren't so lazy, I'd go find my latest issue of TV guide, because it has the profiles for Dec. 9.

 

[ilovejt]

WIKIPEDIA (ON THE TORNADO EPISODE)

"Something's Coming" is the 78th episode of the ABC television series, Desperate Housewives. It is the ninth episode of the show's fourth season and will air on December 2, 2007. This episode could be the fourth season finale as due to the 2007 Writers Guild of America strike the next (and last) produced episode may not air.

 

[aijalon18]

there's one episode after this but it wasn't to be shown until january. it might be shown sooner. that was according to the original schedule before the strike. it would be kinda stupid to wait that long considering what happened.

 

[Homoaffectional]

But in the end Andrew, Mrs. McClusky or any of the the other """""""""""""minor""""""""""" characters
[snip]
the show's core audience wouldn't much care.

I think Andrew is popular, but that's beside the point. Clearly, you haven't been watching the show long (and I'm saying this rhetorically) if you describe Andrew in the same league as Bob and Lee, especially lumping them in together just because they're gay. Andrew is more a second tier main character (which you could say "supporting" character)... as such his character qualifies for an Emmy, should he ever be nominated. Bob and Lee do not have share that distinction... they're pretty much the same as the Applewhites, or Paul Young and his son Zack (or however it's spelled). I don't expect them to carry over to the following season, which I don't feel is the case with Andrew. He will probably be around, in some form or another, till the show's end. I would be surprised if he wasn't in the last season, and would expect him to even make an appearance in the series finale, possibly with a monogamous lover at that point. And I will remember this discussion 3 years from now, should, just to remind you about my prediction, and which one of us was right.

With Andrew being shipped out of the house, it does look like a reason to have less Andrew.

That *totally* depends on whether or not they will continue next season the way they were planning to with this season. He was supposed to meet someone that Bree was going to fix him up with. If they pick up that storyline belatedly whenever filming resumes (whether this year or next), then he will have a prominent storyline. If the strike changes those plans, then the strike will be the reason we don't see as much of him. Besides, it's not like he actually got his own storyline this whole past season... he was there, but just as a vehicle to push forward the Bree/Danielle baby thingy.


Oh, speaking of the baby thingy, I'm so glad that they brought up the Andrew thing to hijack what was happening this past episode, because that part about Bree not lactating cuz it wasn't her pregnancy brought up bad memories of Marcia Cross as Kimberly and taking someone else's baby, substituting Danielle for Jo... scary stuff...

And oh yeah.. last episode - most gay episode - coming out, gay son moving out.

Nah... I've seen gayer. The Halloween episode and a couple others with Andrew and Justin could have tied.

 

[Homoaffectional]

According to Entertainment Weekly there are 1 or 2 filmed episodes left after the hurricane episode.

(The reason I'm not sure if it's 1 or 2 is because I don't know whether or not they were including last week's episode on their list. It played after the magazine was mailed, but before the publicaion date.)

I wouldn't be surprised if they waited until January to show it/them. November sweeps are over and the networks generally show reruns before and during Christmastime.

If I weren't so lazy, I'd go find my latest issue of TV guide, because it has the profiles for Dec. 9.

Well, it definitely won't be the week after the hurricane one. There was a trailer for one of those retarded holiday TV movie specials that Sunday night. So it would have to be two weeks after hurricane Sunday, at the earliest.

 

[josher]

I think Andrew is popular, but that's beside the point. Clearly, you haven't been watching the show long (and I'm saying this rhetorically) if you describe Andrew in the same league as Bob and Lee, especially lumping them in together just because they're gay. Andrew is more a second tier main character (which you could say "supporting" character)... as such his character qualifies for an Emmy, should he ever be nominated. Bob and Lee do not have share that distinction... they're pretty much the same as the Applewhites, or Paul Young and his son Zack (or however it's spelled). I don't expect them to carry over to the following season, which I don't feel is the case with Andrew. He will probably be around, in some form or another, till the show's end.

Since I've seen every episode of DH, I have a pretty good idea of who's who and what's what.

I never said they "would" eliminate Andrew, but that they "could" without changing the show's dynamic in any major way. I fully expect Andrew to remain on the show til the end, unless Shawn Pyfrom himself chooses to leave the show.

We really don't know where Marc is going with Lee and Bob. They may indeed turn out to be like the Applewhites and disappear after this season. They may be used like Edie, showing up when they can advance the storyline. I was kind of hoping they'd become the "fifth" family (with one of them interacting with the four leads), but I think that's unlikely now. Katherine seems to have that role.

Marc's problem has always been that there are too many characters to showcase in each episode.

I've never paid attention to where the actors playing Lee and Bob appear in the credits, which is what determines their Emmy eligibility.

If they're in the opening credits (unless they're listed as "guest stars") they're eligible to be nominated as supporting actors. (Even Lynette and Tom's children are eligible to be nominated in the supporting actor/actress categories.)

Obviously, if they're listed in the opening credits as guest stars, they're eligible for that category instead.

If they're listed in the end credits (without the designation "special guest star" or "guest star"), they're not eligible for any award category.

 

[dr_beat]

Why do discussions about tv shows always seem to include Emmy Award issues? These awards are totally irrelevant as often times really good or really popular shows are ignored by both the Emmys and the Golden Globes. Enough already. Let's just talk about the show.

I'm not sure of the purpose for bringing Lee and Bob on the show, so it's to early to speculate whether or not they will last. After all, if you must talk about credits, Alfre Woodard was a title credited actor and as such her character had a story line, just like Dana Delany's "Katherine" character. Perhaps Lee and Bob will just be neighbours with minor storylines.

With regards to Andrew, I am disappointed that he's moved out because it does indeed mean that we could see less of him since he is a supporting character already. After all, the smartest person on Wisteria Lane is Julie. She still lives there and yet we only see her when convenient.

The most recent episode was great for me because it finally resolved the Bree/Andrew issue from two seasons ago. In a previous DH thread I spoke of how I felt this issue was left hanging; another member argued that it was resolved with satisfaction. Well, obviously the writers and producers agreed with me. I now feel comfortable with their relationship, so if he doesn't appear again for a while it would be ok.

I still think, though, that having him interact with the gay couple in some way would have been interesting.

 

[josher]

^^You're like the guy in the gossip forum that tells people they shouldn't be gossiping. (joke)

Sorry you're not interested in awards, but many people are. No offense, but as long as its germane to DH, I'll post about anything I want to.

 

[Homoaffectional]

As far as I'm concerned, I don't mind going out on a limb to say that Bob and Lee would not have been back past this season... if it hadn't been interrupted by the writer's strike.

Since it was, there's no way to prove I'm wrong.

But since it was, there's a pretty good chance they'll have to bring them back next season to do whatever they were originally planning to do with them (which I'm sure would have lasted as long as the end of this season).


On another note, I noticed something -- that scene where Mike said to Orson "it wasn't an accident... some son of a bitch ran me over". I was wondering, does Mike know at this point that Orson was the 'son of a bitch'?

I remember a scene where Mike pushed Orson over the edge of a three or five or ten-story parking garage... obviously he didn't die... but he did it because he remembered/figured out that he was the one who did it... I think that episode ended with Mike and Orson making a deal to keep each other's "secrets" (actually I don't remember what Mike's was, or if there even was one). But Mike still remembers what Orson did to him, right? I still can't believe that's not going to come out, and probably next episode... before the hurricane hits, and takes away the focus and forces them to all work together.

P.S. Oh and Josher, I have no doubt you've been watching from the beginning. The thing as I said was rhetorical, but I stand by comments about putting Andrew and Bob and Lee in the same category, credits/emmy thing notwithstanding... I just don't see them in the same "minor characters" category and never will, regardless of whatever you say on this subject.

 

[dr_beat]

^^You're like the guy in the gossip forum that tells people they shouldn't be gossiping. (joke)

Sorry you're not interested in awards, but many people are. No offense, but as long as its germane to DH, I'll post about anything I want to.

Well, gee, Josher, I'd love it if you could point out for me where exactly I said you weren't allowed to post what you wanted.

My point was simply this: if you want to talk about emmy awards, start a post about it. This thread is about the tv show Desperate Housewives and whether it wins emmy nominations or not is totally irrelevant to the plot.

I suggest you take the pickle out of your ass and try a dick. Much more pleasant.

 

[dr_beat]

On another note, I noticed something -- that scene where Mike said to Orson "it wasn't an accident... some son of a bitch ran me over". I was wondering, does Mike know at this point that Orson was the 'son of a bitch'?

I remember a scene where Mike pushed Orson over the edge of a three or five or ten-story parking garage... obviously he didn't die... but he did it because he remembered/figured out that he was the one who did it... I think that episode ended with Mike and Orson making a deal to keep each other's "secrets" (actually I don't remember what Mike's was, or if there even was one). But Mike still remembers what Orson did to him, right? I still can't believe that's not going to come out, and probably next episode... before the hurricane hits, and takes away the focus and forces them to all work together.

You're not the only one confused by this. I thought Orson and Mike had resolved their differences too, but apparently this is not the case...

 

[Homoaffectional]

You're not the only one confused by this. I thought Orson and Mike had resolved their differences too, but apparently this is not the case...

Um, well we're not confused for the same reason. I'm confused that Orson got away with it. I'm not surprised that Mike is pulling a little passive aggressive now that he thinks he needs the pills. It's a narcotic addiction to the codeine or the vicadin or whatever it is... it's not for the pain, which would have passed by now once the healing was done.

It took me a while to remember that Mike did know that it was Orson that hit him... sometimes previous seasons are confused by the new developments from this season. Marc Cherry and the other writers are good about making you forget things until he's ready to revisit them... or maybe it's just me. Either way, I was shocked that Mike and Orson agreed to keep it to themselves...

If someone ran me over with a car, I wouldn't have "resolved my differences" with the asshole. Even if his mom was a mega-bitch and he was finally free of her. Sorry, but there's no getting out of that one.



P.S. I could have used a 'puzzled' or 'confused' posting icon to go with this thread. I've requested it, but haven't gotten my request approved. Anyone else who agrees that those would make good posting icons, send me a PM, and I'll link you to the thread where it was requested.

 

[Spellbound]

^^^^
Mike and Orson never came to any agreement.

Mike still does not know that Orson ran him down. No one except Orsons mom Gloria and Alma knew about it. Alma is dead and Gloria is paralized and mute.

Orson just feels guilty, so thats why he gave Mike the prescription.

 

[Homoaffectional]

Mike still does not know that Orson ran him down.

Oh, OK! Thanks for setting me "straight" on that. It's been a while since I watched that one episode where Mike knocked Orson over the ledge, and I forgot exactly what they had discussed on that episode.

That makes way more sense. OK, now I have one less oddity about the show to ignore when trying to enjoy what's left of this season.