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Dharun Ravi Indicted in Tyler Clementi Suicide

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Nope, I am just pointing out the absurdity of going after the deportation of a 20-year old who spent his entire life in the US and using his parents' decision to not get a citizenship as somehow validating such cruelty.
 
I think we're discussing a hypothetical situation.

I believe citizenship brings rights and responsibilities; I have no sympathy for people who take two citizenships, take two sets of privileges but accept no responsibilities for their crimes
 
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I was mixing metaphors… but I bet Ravi's bi-national parents have got lots of relatives back home who will look after their bi-national son
 
I think we're hating immigrants again for some reason... Benvolio has learned mind control?!

And when did Ravi become binational? It was my understanding that neither he, nor his parents have US citizenships.


Also, being against double citizenships is demented.
 
pat grimshaw said:
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I was mixing metaphors… but I bet Ravi's bi-national parents have got lots of relatives back home who will look after their bi-national son
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What does that have to do with what you said?

So far you've supported cruel and unusual punishment being inflicted on a person because of what other people did. Then you said:


I believe citizenship brings rights and responsibilities; I have no sympathy for people who take two citizenships, take two sets of privileges but accept no responsibilities for their crimes
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so I'm trying to figure out who you want to punish now.
 
^ As I said, I was speaking metaphorically about a hypothetical situation. We don't know if this guy is going to be deported and I don't know to which country this guy owes his allegiance.
 
Obviously India, if India doesn't allow dual citizenship and he isn't a US citizen...

And WHY is this even a subject of discussion? His citizenship, or that of his parents, is in no way relevant to his sentence.
 
Rolyo85 said:
Obviously India, if India doesn't allow dual citizenship and he isn't a US citizen...

And WHY is this even a subject of discussion? His citizenship, or that of his parents, is in no way relevant to his sentence.
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Of his sentencing per se, no -- but were he a US citizen, he wouldn't be facing an immigration hearing.
 
My point was - the deportation is inhumane in his case and should not be a goal of the prosecutors.

I was the first one to resurrect the topic, and in the very first post I said I consider the sentence too lenient. However, it is not irrelevant to me what changes are made. I am against more than 6 months of jail and completely against deportation. It is the financial side that needs to be boosted, as well as the community service.
 
It is quite reasonable to respect citizenship in more than one country. This kind of multiple citizenship is inevitable anyway due to each country setting its own laws. There are lots of people who can just show up in a country and get a passport because they were born with that right, even if they've never set foot there. The country they were actually born in has no say in this matter.

It is also reasonable that if someone lives in a country and chooses not to take citizenship, even when they qualify, they do not wish to be citizens. Treat them accordingly. Nothing barbaric or monstrous about that.
 
I say the US government should kick out ALL qualifying residents who haven't gotten a citizenship. I mean, OBVIOUSLY they don't want to be here, right?

What's with everyone tonight? Is Benvolio's mind control skill having splash damage or something?
 
I suspect the only reason that Ravi isn't a U.S. citizen is that he's never actually thought about it -- just like he never actually thought about what he was doing with Tyler.

Yet I doubt he wants to be anything but a U.S. citizen -- what reason would he have to want to be anything else?
 
Most universities don't care whether you are a citizen or not, unless they're state universities and you're a state resident. And the only issues you'd encounter by not being a citizen have to do with money - a problem he clearly did not have.

I have a friend whose family moved from Korea about 10 years ago. She's been here ever since the beginning of high school and she's qualified for a citizenship for a while now, but she never got around to it. That's not a simple process and if there's nothing in your current citation that requires it, I don't find it surprising that you wouldn't go ahead with it.
 
No, she is not interested in politics.

And yeah, people with families that can support them in Freshmen year of college are beyond reprehensible.

I am fascinated by how quickly you find new reasons to hate the guy the second an old one collapses.
 
Rolyo85 said:
That's true, but treating symptoms with a sledgehammer would be counterproductive.

Even the gay community is divided over the Ravi situation. That ought to tell us something.
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doesnt tell us shit. all it says is that we are beholden to prevailing views, which is that of homophobia.
 
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