Do gay people really go to hell???

[turtle]

2nd Periodic reminder.

There is no hell.

Nothing like it. The whole idea is absurd, an insult to any civilized God.

-D

 

[Kulindahr]

Sure it does. All the instances you cite deny common sense and logic.

You say those things deny common sense and logic -- which is precisely my point. The link between those things and God letting some people go to hell makes it so you just confirmed that God doing that conforms to common sense and logic.

Now that that's established, how about addressing the question of the thread?

 

[Spensed]

.....The link between those things and God letting some people go to hell makes it so you just confirmed that God doing that conforms to common sense and logic.....

I don't see that this response makes any sense, but that's ok.

 

[FangBanger09]

i don't beleive that god judges on sexual orientation. if you're gay, it's because he made u that way and that's the way he wants u to be.

 

[Kulindahr]

i don't beleive that god judges on sexual orientation. if you're gay, it's because he made u that way and that's the way he wants u to be.

Or at least the way He let you be -- like he lets people be born without limbs, and stuff.

 

[shagall]

Do gay people really go to hell?......

yes...yes they do....

NOW what are you gonna do? Change your sexual orientation?

 

[FangBanger09]

i'm with robertac. plus, i think god created love before he created sex and sexuality. and even though i'm bi, i only base who i date by if i love them or not. plus, i'm a big time christian and i think that's all that matters.

 

[wanderer]

this may have already been said, but i have always liked this statement "if God made us all who we are, and God doesnt make mistakes, then how can being gay be wrong?"

i like to think that people who label other groups of people as "hell destined" are actually the ones going to hell because they are stereotypical and generally bad people.

 

[JustHornyMe]

i'm with robertac. plus, i think god created love before he created sex and sexuality. and even though i'm bi, i only base who i date by if i love them or not. plus, i'm a big time christian and i think that's all that matters.

Most definitely!

If anybody knows our heart, it is God.

The world is messed up, really messed up. So many religions, and Christianity comes to my mind have been stuffed up by people and their own agendas. Sometimes I wish that Christians could focus back on the original reasons that Christianity exits. That is, Jesus Christ died for our sins so that we could be with God one day, without having to follow ceremonial rules, and depending on others (High Priests) for sanctification.

Christians must realise that salvation does not come from good works. Jesus Christ rewrote the rule book when he died on the cross. Yes, gay people go to hell, but so do straight people.

I feel sad when I see the hate and judgement that comes from other Christians.

 

[taxi_ride]

Frankly if those nut case Evangelical are the only people going to heaven I'd rather stay in pergotory.

 

[Ben_1982]

In answer to the thread-opening question: no.

In an ironic twist of fate, people who believe in the concept of "sin" and use such a manmade concept to condemn others while attempting to remain free from "sin" themselves, are the ones who go to hell.

Mind you... given the types of people that supposedly do go to hell... not to mention how warm it is down there... give me eternity down there in the warmth with a sweaty group of hot "sinful" gay guys over heaven any day!!!

 

[stellar69]

Somewhere in the book it states... " God is Love" therefore God = Love! So it would seem to me that to accept that premis... that God = Love would seem to me to indicate.. that it matters not whom we Love.... what matter's is.... is that we Love!

 

[Benchating]

First we need to decide what is hell.
Is hell the place where god is not or is hell where dick is not.
To me hell is where I do not want to be (work some days).
So lets stop saying go to hell with out saying what hell mean to us.
It like saying thats a big slice of cake with out knowing what is big to one person. big to me is small to others.
Well what ever.

 

[Ben_1982]

It's the function of a regime that attempts to instill fear alongside devotion in order to keep its faithful masses in line with its belief system. "Right" and "wrong" are based on perspective, though there are certain relatively universal concepts shared by most (though probably not all) human beings. By defining what is "right" and "wrong" and using the concept of God/Satan to shore it all up, religion therefore creates an elaborate and powerful method of controlling how people think, behave and ultimately develop.

 

[vamp]

This is for christians to read

For the Christians who read this, I've been wondering about this myself. I'm a devout Christian and I always will be, but at the same time, I'm bisexual. I was reading the Bible (NIV Version) and I happened upon the following verse: (Leviticus 20:13)

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads"

The way I interpret this is that if the two have sex, then the relationship is sinful. I don't think the feeling of being gay is sinful itself. If you're a Christian, then a physical relationship should be considered wrong. I know there are atheists on here who are going to reply negatively to this. So, I'm just saying this in advance that no amount of arguing and complaining is going to change my beliefs.

As for God making us the way we are and where it concerns sexuality, I believe that it is a mix of God's design and habit. I think homosexuality is a habit that develops over time. God just made it where we can make our choice on what sexual habit we make. I'm not meaning to contradict Leviticus 20:13, I'm just saying that I don't think there is nothing inherently wrong with falling in love with another man, but it's when it gets physical that it gets sinful. Granted, I lean more towards women than I do men, but I can't deny or ignore the other half my sexual orientation being there. Rather than trying to fight that habit, I've just learned to accept it as a part of me that I developed by habit.

 

[jamie_01930]

No people don't go to hell. We are already there.
some may lay in a state of no where land. ie in the ground and while others who believe go to heaven

 

[ludolfo]

Re: This is for christians to read

For the Christians who read this, I've been wondering about this myself. I'm a devout Christian and I always will be, but at the same time, I'm bisexual. I was reading the Bible (NIV Version) and I happened upon the following verse: (Leviticus 20:13)

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads"

The way I interpret this is that if the two have sex, then the relationship is sinful. I don't think the feeling of being gay is sinful itself. If you're a Christian, then a physical relationship should be considered wrong. I know there are atheists on here who are going to reply negatively to this. So, I'm just saying this in advance that no amount of arguing and complaining is going to change my beliefs.

As for God making us the way we are and where it concerns sexuality, I believe that it is a mix of God's design and habit. I think homosexuality is a habit that develops over time. God just made it where we can make our choice on what sexual habit we make. I'm not meaning to contradict Leviticus 20:13, I'm just saying that I don't think there is nothing inherently wrong with falling in love with another man, but it's when it gets physical that it gets sinful. Granted, I lean more towards women than I do men, but I can't deny or ignore the other half my sexual orientation being there. Rather than trying to fight that habit, I've just learned to accept it as a part of me that I developed by habit.

See what you do. though it aint your fault. it is what has been in-doctrine-ated into you. They take this condemnatory supposed rule from 'God' writ down many many centuries ago, in a totally different world, culture, and try and apply it to THIS world, and totally different culture, etc. WHY not highlight the other 'God' laws in Leviticus...??????hmmmmm?
see this. this debate has been agoing on at Youtube last few days, after someone coming from your viewpoint poised something anti-PRACTISING gay.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvrQ65ET76U

 

[Ben_1982]

Homosexual relationships were encouraged in a number of pre-Christian societies, most notably in Sparta. As most know Sparta was renowned for its impeccable fighting force, and this was due in part to the fact that it encouraged fully fledged relationships between soldiers. The reasons for this were several-fold:

1) It helped to remove extaneous variables such as civilian attachment from the equation.

2) It provided sexual outlet.

3) It helped to develop a more cohesive fighting force. Perhaps the most well-known thing about combat is that people will fight ten times harder to protect what they love than anything else. By encouraging homosexual relationships between soldiers, they were essentially supplying that added combat incentive as a physical presence within the fighting force.

I'd also like to point to the bonobo (I think that's the spelling) chimpanzee, which is one of the few other species of animal that performs sexual acts for pleasure. Evidence of pleasurable couplings within this species includes female with female and male with male.

I think what I'm trying to say with the above, is that you can't take something manmade such as the Bible, and treat it as an absolute. Evidence within nature itself proves to the contrary, or are the concepts of "Heaven" and "Hell" strictly limited to human beings (chimps in hell... there's a novel thought )? If that's the case then I counter with this:

What makes us so fucking special?

 

[Kulindahr]

For Vulture: there are extensive discussions here about the Leviticus situation. Briefly, though, you have to consider that the same book says that eating a cheeseburger is "detestable".

to Ben: to pronounce that the Bible is manmade is kinda like saying the Pope is infallible -- there are arguments on both sides... and none are helpful here, unless you're saying, "I think the Bible is manmade, so I'm not worrying about it".

 

[Ben_1982]

To put to me that "to pronounce that the Bible is manmade is kinda like saying the Pope is infallible" isn't a particularly endearing argument. It suggests that there is actually an argument FOR the Pope being infallible, and since the Pope is an imperfect being then that argument is rendered invalid. To suggest that the Pope is infallible would be to suggest that he is omniscient. Yet were you to ask him a question such as "In what year did Gustav Fechner die?", without external aid he would in all probability get the answer wrong, which in both contexts proves his fallibility.

Also why do you take the attitude that an opinion that runs contrary to the existence of God is not helpful? That is your own perception on my opinion, while in fact there may be others who read the same opinion and think "actually, that makes sense". If you define "not helpful" as "not proliferating the concept that God is real and religion is the right path", then I'm guilty. In the sense of "worry" that you bring up however, I am safe in the knowledge that my "guilt" with respect to proliferating a non pro-religious view of Hell and who goes there, worries me not at all.