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Do You Believe In An Afterlife?

You know....all this metaphysical discussion just proves the point.
Either there is an afterlife, or there isn't.
Either God is real, or God isn't real.
They are binary possibilities.
When it comes down to it, whatever you believe is your truth since no one can ever prove you wrong. So if its more comforting to believe in an afterlife, then believe in it and be comforted. Either you are right or you will never know you were wrong. So what is the difference?
 
When it comes down to it, whatever you believe is your truth since no one can ever prove you wrong. So if its more comforting to believe in an afterlife, then believe in it and be comforted. Either you are right or you will never know you were wrong. So what is the difference?

Truth is objective. Truth is based upon reality, evidence, and provable facts. You can't just make it up and call it "your truth". People end up believing in all kinds of superstition and stupid nonsense that way. I don't find it comforting to believe in, or have faith in something that has not been shown to be real, because that's just pretending, not believing. That's the difference. All it would take is one piece of verifiable evidence.
 
Truth is objective. Truth is based upon reality, evidence, and provable facts. You can't just make it up and call it "your truth". People end up believing in all kinds of superstition and stupid nonsense that way. I don't find it comforting to believe in, or have faith in something that has not been shown to be real, because that's just pretending, not believing. That's the difference. All it would take is one piece of verifiable evidence.
I agree with you. But in this case and only this case, we will never have any evidence. So you can believe whatever you want. You just can't prove it to anyone.

I'm a realist and I don't believe there is an afterlife. Which means I'll never see my relatives and friends that have passed away ever again. But then one day I thought.....I don't have evidence for an afterlife but I also don't have evidence that there isn't one. I could be wrong. I've been wrong before. Which made me think, why do I insist on believing that I will never see these people again when maybe I'm wrong about that? And then I felt a little bit of hope that the universe is bigger and more complex than I can understand. Maybe myself and Stephen Hawking are wrong. Maybe there is something bigger that I become a part of. Maybe finally we are all connected. I don't know what that will look like but I've decided to keep my mind open until someone comes back from the dead and tells me otherwise.
 
As far as I'm concerned, I really don't care what an individual believes, or more accurately, wants to believe.

It's lying to kids that I detest. Telling them that folklore is fact. It's bad enough that parents do it, but many kids are subjected to [Sunday] classes where more adults, supposedly authority figures, lie to them.

It's disgusting and unhealthy.
 
Death blowing bubbles...

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There is a theory that after death, as the electrical current on your brain dissipates it screws up your neurotransmitters or something. The result is that your last thought gets played over and over in your head in a loop that, for all intents and purposes, seems eternal. If this is correct, then it's possible to experience the illusion of something heavenly.

I myself plan to spend my last moments thinking of a young Dermot Mulroney dipped in milk chocolate.
 
As far as I'm concerned, I really don't care what an individual believes, or more accurately, wants to believe.

It's lying to kids that I detest. Telling them that folklore is fact. It's bad enough that parents do it, but many kids are subjected to [Sunday] classes where more adults, supposedly authority figures, lie to them.

It's disgusting and unhealthy.
It also fills them with an existential dread that no five year old should have to contend with.
 
On one hand, I figure dead is dead. Enjoy life as it happens.

On the other hand, I've seen things, "ghosts" maybe. I know I saw Dad walking past the window of this room several times while Mom was still alive. And his ashes were here. And Fido the Cat wandering from the laundry room to her corner by the wood stove. The night Fred bounded down the hallway, jumped on the spare bed, looked around and bounded right back up the hallway, like a two year old Brittany and not a 16 year old dog, yeah, sure, I'm nuts but something made dog foot prints on the bed and stopped the battery powered clock that was in the bathroom. Then there's the naked Indian at the old house. Tapping you on the shoulder and walking through the toilet when you looked.

So maybe there is something after you die but we can't see it because it's like being color blind.

I figure I'll know more someday far in the future. Or I won't. Shrug.
 
If God supposedly loves and cares so much about humans, where is he?
Just show the fuck up. Actually be real. Say something. So we can stop arguing and killing each other over YOU, and we think YOU want.
What does the ultimate authority think and want?

We could use some guidance, leadership and direction that only YOU have the power to provide and enforce. You know....like a REAL FATHER.

Because left alone, humans are getting close to destroying civilization and the entire planet along with it.

Hear anything? Nope. Me neither.
It seems as if you have a preconceived notion of what "God" is and how the "REAL FATHER" should communicate. I've discovered that such concepts cloud one's vision and prevent one from "seeing"/"listening" clearly.

Clear the mind completely and one attunes to an expanded consciousness where all is revealed. The eastern sage Ramana Maharshi, whom Carl Jung called "the whitest spot in the white space of India", once spoke to a group of Jews seeking enlightenment. He told them that all of his teachings could be summarized in one passage from the Jewish scriptures: "Be still and KNOW ..." (Psalms 46:10). Hence, listen with no expectations and you will be stunned into silence by what is revealed. All that you "need" to know is revealed in that state of absolute stillness.
 
And then I felt a little bit of hope that the universe is bigger and more complex than I can understand. Maybe myself and Stephen Hawking are wrong. Maybe there is something bigger that I become a part of. Maybe finally we are all connected. I don't know what that will look like but I've decided to keep my mind open until someone comes back from the dead and tells me otherwise.
That statement of yours is indeed very wise and open-minded. When I had my near death experience (NDE) many years ago, I could see from a different vantage point that "we are all connected" and that "there is something bigger that I become a part of" at the transition point known as "physical death". This was totally alien to my Roman Catholic upbringing so it was not a projection like many "visionary" experiences. Since I emerged completely symptom-free from a 3-day "irreversible coma", that NDE also gave me insights into the nature of the mind-body-spirit connection as well as the nature of physical/mental healing.

As for someone coming back from the dead, that too is a fascinating subject to investigate further. :) ;)
 
On one hand, I figure dead is dead. Enjoy life as it happens.

On the other hand, I've seen things, "ghosts" maybe. I know I saw Dad walking past the window of this room several times while Mom was still alive. And his ashes were here. And Fido the Cat wandering from the laundry room to her corner by the wood stove. The night Fred bounded down the hallway, jumped on the spare bed, looked around and bounded right back up the hallway, like a two year old Brittany and not a 16 year old dog, yeah, sure, I'm nuts but something made dog foot prints on the bed and stopped the battery powered clock that was in the bathroom. Then there's the naked Indian at the old house. Tapping you on the shoulder and walking through the toilet when you looked.

So maybe there is something after you die but we can't see it because it's like being color blind.

I figure I'll know more someday far in the future. Or I won't. Shrug.
Excellent deduction: "So maybe there is something after you die but we can't see it because it's like being color blind". I'm glad that you brought up the subject of "ghosts" or, as others put it, disincarnate entities. Excellent subject for further discussion.

At death cafes, there are many people who report seeing "ghosts" but are reluctant to discuss that in their normal social circles. I'm very glad that you brought this up.
 
It seems as if you have a preconceived notion of what "God" is and how the "REAL FATHER" should communicate. I've discovered that such concepts cloud one's vision and prevent one from "seeing"/"listening" clearly.

Clear the mind completely and one attunes to an expanded consciousness where all is revealed. The eastern sage Ramana Maharshi, whom Carl Jung called "the whitest spot in the white space of India", once spoke to a group of Jews seeking enlightenment. He told them that all of his teachings could be summarized in one passage from the Jewish scriptures: "Be still and KNOW ..." (Psalms 46:10). Hence, listen with no expectations and you will be stunned into silence by what is revealed. All that you "need" to know is revealed in that state of absolute stillness.

This is what I always get, I am always listening wrong. How many broomsticks am I supposed to bring?

I have been asking and listening for over 60 years and have not heard a freaking thing - only total, absolute, complete, unending, unrelenting, uncaring, unfeeling, utter absence and stonewall silence.
 
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This is what I always get, I am always listening wrong. How many broomsticks am I supposed to bring?

I have been asking and listening for over 60 years and have not heard a freaking thing - only total, absolute, complete, unending, unrelenting, uncaring, unfeeling, utter absence and stonewall silence.
May I ask specifically HOW you listen .... and whether there is any wisdom tradition (religious, philosophical, meditative, whatever) that you feel is the most reliable guide for you personally?
 
May I ask specifically HOW you listen .... and whether there is any wisdom tradition (religious, philosophical, meditative, whatever) that you feel is the most reliable guide for you personally?

Again...the question implies I am not listening right.

I "listen" the same way I listen to anything. I've done all the meditation, sitting around doing nothing for hours, empty my mind etc. etc. etc. I am perfectly willing and open to hearing anything there is to hear. So far, there has been nothing to hear. I can no longer put any faith in something I've talked to, pleaded with, prayed to, begged, brought broomsticks to, and even worshiped - but who will not in the slightest way acknowledge that one single word even been heard. What do I expect? Something objective and definitive. One piece of verifiable evidence. Something other than nothing.
 
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Again...the question implies I am not listening right.

I "listen" the same way I listen to anything. I've done all the meditation, sitting around doing nothing for hours, empty my mind etc. etc. etc. I am perfectly willing and open to hearing anything there is to hear. So far, there has been nothing to hear. I can no longer put any faith in something I've talked to, pleaded with, prayed to, begged, brought broomsticks to, and even worshiped - but who will not in the slightest way acknowledge that one single word even been heard. What do I expect? Something objective and definitive. One piece of verifiable evidence. Something other than nothing.
Your response indicated that you have tried to "empty my mind". That is good. You seem to be on the right track. Have you been successful in quieting the internal chatter and mental associations that can often arise while trying to quiet the mind? My experience has been that internal mental chatter of any kind can interfere with the process of revelation by coloring the revelation and thus distorting it so that it is no longer a "piece of verifiable evidence".

My spiritual mentor once told me to follow through on my pure intuitions (revelations) and then I would learn something very important. The very next day, I reluctantly followed through on a pure intuition (interesting to define that) even though it seemed absurdly ridiculous ... and that was the beginning of the flow of VERIFIABLE revelations that continue even today.
 
The "spiritual" stuff is interesting. Go to church! Yeah, did that. I tried. Everyone said "this is the way". The passing of the collection basket and frowns if ya didn't toss in a big enough bill turned me off. So I have to pay to hear about God? Nah. I won't.
But that's me. I don't need to go to church.

I have God all over. Watching the trees leaf in the Spring and the leaves falling in Fall along with the acorns that feed various critters through the Winter. Watching a rain storm moving in. Watching the Sun rise and set. Watching puppies learning how to walk and then how to run. :) Watching chickens and emu hatch from their shells. And little kids learning how to walk and talk and read.

"Empty your mind" for me is impossible. Ok, I can but Tequila hurts. I woke up this morning with Captain and Toenail's "Muskrat Love" running on loop through my head. Wtf? Some times it's Pink Floyd. Some times Tina Turner. It's random. I really wonder what the hell is going on in my head sometimes.

I usually have three conversations running in my head at a time. It's normal, since I woke up, so to say, to be Me when almost 10, a few years before puberty hit me. I remember stuff from when I was two. Not a lot, but.

So yeah. If you see me talking to myself, I'm just having a staff meeting.
 
The "spiritual" stuff is interesting. Go to church! Yeah, did that. I tried. Everyone said "this is the way". The passing of the collection basket and frowns if ya didn't toss in a big enough bill turned me off. So I have to pay to hear about God? Nah. I won't.
But that's me. I don't need to go to church.

I have God all over. Watching the trees leaf in the Spring and the leaves falling in Fall along with the acorns that feed various critters through the Winter. Watching a rain storm moving in. Watching the Sun rise and set. Watching puppies learning how to walk and then how to run. :) Watching chickens and emu hatch from their shells. And little kids learning how to walk and talk and read.

"Empty your mind" for me is impossible. Ok, I can but Tequila hurts. I woke up this morning with Captain and Toenail's "Muskrat Love" running on loop through my head. Wtf? Some times it's Pink Floyd. Some times Tina Turner. It's random. I really wonder what the hell is going on in my head sometimes.

I usually have three conversations running in my head at a time. It's normal, since I woke up, so to say, to be Me when almost 10, a few years before puberty hit me. I remember stuff from when I was two. Not a lot, but.

So yeah. If you see me talking to myself, I'm just having a staff meeting.
Yes. The "spiritual" stuff is indeed very very interesting and absorbing. Unfortunately, as you duly noted, the churches and most organized "religious" organizations are not particularly helpful since they are geared towards the masses and making money. Religion can be very profitable.

You might enjoy this video by Alan Watts about "religions" -- "They made it all up".


Then we can move on to the real spiritual stuff which simply requires undoing all the conditioned garbage that we've been fed.
 
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