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On-Topic Economy Dies in 4th Quarter -- Annual Rate of 0.1% GDP

Again, what exactly does the President need to do? Should he hire more government workers to help reduce that number? You should really be e-mailing your friends in private industry and telling them to hire people. You should also go ahead and e-mail your Republican buddies in Congress and tell them to pass Obama's job creation measures. Keep in mind, the predictions his team made in January 2009 were predicated on the fact that they would have a Congress that would be interested in creating jobs and not trying to take Obama out of one. I know it's modus operandi for Republicans to roadblock everything and then blame the lack of large positive movement on the President, but most of America sees through their tricks and really doesn't trust Republicans to do anything anymore.

A US President has ways of making it more convenient for businesses to be more productive. There is much uncertainty regarding issues such as taxes, Obamacare, regulations including EPA and HHS regulations that have businesses very unsure of what the future will hold.

There are no tricks involved. It's called leadership.
 
A US President has ways of making it more convenient for businesses to be more productive. There is much uncertainty regarding issues such as taxes, Obamacare, regulations including EPA and HHS regulations that have businesses very unsure of what the future will hold.

There are no tricks involved. It's called leadership.

Jack now you're talking about how there's been uncertainty about the laws but you blame Obama entirely for that... and you don't seem to blame the Republican party acting as pure obstructionists and delaying everything they can for as long as possible as part of the equation at all.
 
A US President has ways of making it more convenient for businesses to be more productive. There is much uncertainty regarding issues such as taxes, Obamacare, regulations including EPA and HHS regulations that have businesses very unsure of what the future will hold.

There are no tricks involved. It's called leadership.

One can "lead" all they want. Getting the House, controlled by the opposing party, to agree with your priorities is another thing. So sick and tired of the bullshit from blowhards out there that simply either:

1) Don't get the basics of the functions of each of the branches of government works ... or
2) Understands it, and just tries to trpll others in an attempt to start an argument for the Hell of it

The President was re-elected. The only reason the GOP kept the House was due to the gerrymandering committed in 2010 by these lowlife GOP governors. Otherwise, the Dems would have reclaimed the House, as well. Then, "leadership" as you put it, would have been much less of an issue.

Keep kicking and stomping your feet all you want. The majority of Americans seem to get how government works now.
 
One can "lead" all they want. Getting the House, controlled by the opposing party, to agree with your priorities is another thing. So sick and tired of the bullshit from blowhards out there that simply either:

1) Don't get the basics of the functions of each of the branches of government works ... or
2) Understands it, and just tries to trpll others in an attempt to start an argument for the Hell of it

The President was re-elected. The only reason the GOP kept the House was due to the gerrymandering committed in 2010 by these lowlife GOP governors. Otherwise, the Dems would have reclaimed the House, as well. Then, "leadership" as you put it, would have been much less of an issue.

Keep kicking and stomping your feet all you want. The majority of Americans seem to get how government works now.

More stimulus to unions is not going to get us out of this rut. What else has Obama suggested?
 
More stimulus to unions is not going to get us out of this rut. What else has Obama suggested?

What else has Congress brought him? Last time I checked, Congress was supposed to bring Legislation to the President's desk first, so he can either sign off or veto it.

Seems to me like you are pointing the finger at the wrong branch of Government. Then again, most Republicans seem to have confused which branch they should be looking at for legislative matters since Obama has been in office.

"We want legislation and action ... so we could look at the 'LEGISLATIVE BRANCH' ... but nah ... what sense does that make? Let's look at the Executive Branch instead."

All of you should be calling your Congressman if you want action on something.
 
All of you should be calling your Congressman if you want action on something.

Quoted for emphasis. I don't know how many topics or threads it's been necessary to point that out in, but it's been a lot. There's a whole lot of vague "Obama should LEAD, Obama could have done this, Obama could have done that", and somehow it always involves passing a lot of new laws left and right and promptly-- with a Congress that is routinely engaging in obstructionism because they seemingly have absolutely no idea how to participate in government as Republicans under a successful Democratic opponent under any other criteria.
 
Quoted for emphasis. I don't know how many topics or threads it's been necessary to point that out in, but it's been a lot. There's a whole lot of vague "Obama should LEAD, Obama could have done this, Obama could have done that", and somehow it always involves passing a lot of new laws left and right and promptly-- with a Congress that is routinely engaging in obstructionism because they seemingly have absolutely no idea how to participate in government as Republicans under a successful Democratic opponent under any other criteria.

Well, I think it points to the bigger problem of trolling, frankly. And it's obviously all around the internet on political forums. Because you have people that aren't interested in having a real discussion about topics and solutions. Rather, you have people that simply enjoy having conflict and taunting the other side because it's fun to do.

You could point out the obvious such as "Legislative matters should involve the leaders of Congress first since it is their duty to introduce legislation, pass it, and then forward it up to the President", but it doesn't matter.

Blaming the President is conditional depending on the situation in Congress. If one party controls the Presidency, the Senate, and the House ... as Bush did for 6 out of his 8 years in office, then pointing the finger at the President is certainly understandable. Pointing the finger at the President over legislative matters when the opposite party controls one house of Congress is frankly laughable, childish, and non-sensible. And this is for reasons that are obvious to pretty much anyone with a level-head on their shoulders.

As further demonstration that Americans who vote seem to be beginning to understand this, Obama was re-elected despite unemployment, the economy, etc. And Congress still keeps a low disapproval rating, with Americans blaming Republicans for their obstructionism in Congress more than the Democrats.

As mentioned earlier, you can thank the gerrymandering on the GOP governors from 2010 for being the only reason they were fortunate enough to keep the House. And that tactic should frankly be illegal. Maybe the Dems should start doing the same thing if that issue isn't going to be addressed. They already have in a few states. I guess if the GOP wants to cheat, there is no reason why the Dems can't as well.

I want to know why Jack Springer and others are not looking to Speaker Boehner and their party's leadership in Congress for not leading on this matter, instead of pointing the finger at the Executive Branch, whose responsibility as defined by Congress in legislative matters is purely checks and balances-- to either sign or veto legislation passed by Congress.
 
I want to know why Jack Springer and others are not looking to Speaker Boehner and their party's leadership in Congress for not leading on this matter, instead of pointing the finger at the Executive Branch, whose responsibility as defined by Congress in legislative matters is purely checks and balances-- to either sign or veto legislation passed by Congress.

I want to know too, but he'll likely call it a "trap" and refuse to respond. And frankly, I'm not even certain he's clear on what the role of the president is...
 
A US President has ways of making it more convenient for businesses to be more productive. There is much uncertainty regarding issues such as taxes, Obamacare, regulations including EPA and HHS regulations that have businesses very unsure of what the future will hold.

There are no tricks involved. It's called leadership.
The only reason there is any uncertainty in any of that is because Republicans can't sit down and work out a solution with Democrats. It's that simple. Taxes could have easily been solved earlier than they were had the Republicans in the House not stuck to their "no raising taxes ever" ideals and just kicked the can down the road slightly with temporary extensions. Obamacare was passed as the law of the land almost 4 years ago and was upheld by the Supreme Court. The only reason there is uncertainty there is because Republicans keep trying ways to repeal it, block its implementation, or defund it. EPA regulations haven't seen any major changes for the past few years. The only uncertainty there was a Republican presidential candidate running on the platform of basically eliminating the EPA. The debt ceiling and sequester could be easily solved if Republicans didn't take a "my way or the highway" approach.

The uncertainty that comes from government is only there because the Republicans make it. If they can take time to pull their heads out of their ideologue asses and show a willingness to compromise, then you will see much more get done.
 
So nobody is in favor of my decree idea? We can also have five year plans directed by the President and Congress could be all appointed... we should also rig the system so only one party wins all the time. That's the idea I get from certain right wing trolls on here. They complain about Obama not being effective enough...

It's certainly close to how they WANTED things to work when Bush had all 3 branches. ;)
 
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Anything above zero or negative growth is a plus -- but the number has to be bigger to signify actual growth in the economy.

You're comparing baking a cake in an EasyBake(r) oven to one baked in a regular kitchen oven.

The economy sucks and yet the President didn't lay out a plan to help stimulate growth or jobs in his SOTU speech ... just more government give-a-ways.
 
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Anything above zero or negative growth is a plus -- but the number has to be bigger to signify actual growth in the economy.

You're comparing baking a cake in an EasyBake(r) oven to one baked in a regular kitchen oven.

The economy sucks and yet the President didn't lay out a plan to help stimulate growth or jobs in his SOTU speech ... just more government give-a-ways.

Write your Republican representatives and tell them that when the economy is in need of help this is not the time to be engaging in obstructionism for the sake of partisanship.
 
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Now you're just dreaming.

I wish it wasn't dreaming -- we need growth.
 
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Now you're just dreaming.

I wish it wasn't dreaming -- we need growth.

The slow quarter was largely the result of the manmade fiscal cliff which was a lot of financial uncertainty because your party wouldn't negotiate like adults until the deadline was flashing red.

Now as growth continues you will proceed to not talk about the economy whatsoever or give any credit to Obama.
 
No, the contraction was because of a fiscal cliff. That was all spin -- Obama made fiscal cliff occurs March 1 - and won't show up for most until later.

The problem is that our leader does not see a problem. Do you think GWB envisioned 9/11 -- he didn't --- but had to adjust his presidency to the issue at hand, not what he initially wanted to accomplish.

You're going to have to do better than that.
 
Springer, several people have posted facts for you in this thread and in others about how wrong you are and you're just scampering from thread to thread trolling. You aren't paying attention to anything, just posting a bunch of shit that has nothing to do with reality.

You're sickening.
 
No, the contraction was because of a fiscal cliff. That was all spin -- Obama made fiscal cliff occurs March 1 - and won't show up for most until later.

The problem is that our leader does not see a problem. Do you think GWB envisioned 9/11 -- he didn't --- but had to adjust his presidency to the issue at hand, not what he initially wanted to accomplish.

You're going to have to do better than that.

Yeah you're right Jack. A President who virtually campaigned on the economy doesn't see the problem at all.

You see whatever you want to see. Please post something actually worth responding to.
 
Yeah, maybe something died on his porch, pretty sure it wasn't the economy - 'possum probably.
 
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