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EU pays jobless migrants to come to Britain [MERGED]

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'Claim jobseeker's allowance and plan holy war': Hate preacher pocketing £25,000 a year in benefits calls on fanatics to live off the state

This was from 2013 but two years on and he's still at it and spitting the same nonsense. He calls taxpayers his slaves.

controversial Muslim cleric who lives off benefits is urging his followers to also sponge off UK taxpayers by claiming their 'Jihadseeker's allowance'.
Anjem Choudary, who in the past has planned to disrupt the minute's silence on Remembrance Sunday, also openly mocked hard-working Britons, calling them 'slaves'.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-year-benefits-calls-fanatics-live-state.html
 
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Celebrities of all varieties thrive on media headlines.....when the media stops reporting Anjem Choudary's speeches his celebrity, and influence withers.....The Sun, The Mail, and The Express should terminate their reporting on the life of this idiot.
 
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And you are also probably eligible for welfare benefits, and you are even more offensive than he is!

You think I'm supposed to hate him more than I do you, just because he's a Muslim. I don't.

You are spouting spite and hate against a defenseless minority group, by generalizing the behavior of one misguided man to all people born outside your country.

You are worse than this creature, but I would still feed you if you lived in my country. You may define yourself however you like, but I will define myself as a man.
 
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And you are also probably eligible for welfare benefits, and you are even more offensive than he is!

You think I'm supposed to hate him more than I do you, just because he's a Muslim. I don't.

You are spouting spite and hate against a defenseless minority group, by generalizing the behavior of one misguided man to all people born outside your country.

You are worse than this creature, but I would still feed you if you lived in my country. You may define yourself however you like, but I will define myself as a man.

I couldn't care less what you hate but if you find it offensive to not want Jihadists doing what they do in other Countries then I must question whether or whether not you aren't actually making excuses for their behavior.


You seem to be ignoring their actions in the links I have provided and still hell bent on lecturing me for not wanting them to continue to scrounge off the taxpayers while they mock and continue to recruit more for their little gang and STILL spread their hate for the Country that fed, clothed, and gave them a five bedroom house to preach their hate in. I have a right as a taxpayer to express whether they should be kicked from the country or not just like most people here say often. I live in the Country and pay tax that they pose a threat too and YOU don't.

It's hilarious that you call me worse.

It's almost laughable.
 
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I couldn't care less what you hate
I know you don't, which makes you an ideal object of abuse. I am a very sensitive person, and I would never attempt to injure a person who actually had feelings. Your insinuation that I would tell you to hang yourself if I thought you had sufficient moral conscience to actually do so is insulting. As it is, you are very valuable for my mental health precisely because of the fact that the only outcome of abusing you will be to improve my own mental health.

I want someone to put it on record that you have boasted outright that you are unaffected, so I can verbally maraud you at will. It is incalculably good for my mental health, and it would be even better if I had carte blanche.

but if you find it offensive to not want Jihadists doing what they do in other Countries then I must question whether or whether not you aren't actually making excuses for their behavior.
Not all Muslims are Jihadists, just like not all white Britons are racist jerks. There are probably more white Britons there, in total aggregate numbers, who care about Muslims than there are Muslims. That is the irony: you are up against not a whole bunch of poor Muslims, but you are up against a bunch of educated, rich white people, in your own country, many of them even Christians.

You seem to be ignoring their actions
The actions of some Polish kid? Or some Latvian teenager? We're talking about people from Europe. Some of them are just as white and just as racist as you are.

in the links I have provided and still hell bent on lecturing me for not wanting them to continue to scrounge off the taxpayers
For coming entirely, for no other reason than to work at jobs???

while they mock and continue to recruit more for their little gang and STILL spread their hate for the Country that fed, clothed, and gave them a five bedroom house to preach their hate in.
Contrary to what you are certain of, you will not improve their behavior by being a jerk.

I have a right
You have the ability. Whether you have a right is the point of contention.

I live in the Country and pay tax that they pose a threat too and YOU don't.
You are the same kind of rubbish as the English Only wackos, here, who are hateful toward Hispanic Americans. You are the same defective breed. You are unacceptable here, and you are unacceptable anywhere. There is no place that you belong.

I am saying that from the standpoint of being an educated white man. I am not a Muslim. I am not a Hispanic American. I am virtually indigenous, and I welcome immigrants to this country. If they don't come here loving this country, I will make sure that I teach them to.
 
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Celebrities of all varieties thrive on media headlines.....when the media stops reporting Anjem Choudary's speeches his celebrity, and influence withers.....The Sun, The Mail, and The Express should terminate their reporting on the life of this idiot.

Agreed - the guy has no standing in the Islamic community, has no training, has no authority, he is not a judge as is often claimed. The only place he gets heard is amongst the media who want a boogie man to talk about.

If you go read Jon Ronson you get a pretty big insight into how strange and small fish him and OmarBakri are.
 
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I know you don't, which makes you an ideal object of abuse. I am a very sensitive person, and I would never attempt to injure a person who actually had feelings. Your insinuation that I would tell you to hang yourself if I thought you had sufficient moral conscience to actually do so is insulting. As it is, you are very valuable for my mental health precisely because of the fact that the only outcome of abusing you will be to improve my own mental health.

I want someone to put it on record that you have boasted outright that you are unaffected, so I can verbally maraud you at will. It is incalculably good for my mental health, and it would be even better if I had carte blanche.

Not all Muslims are Jihadists, just like not all white Britons are racist jerks. There are probably more white Britons there, in total aggregate numbers, who care about Muslims than there are Muslims. That is the irony: you are up against not a whole bunch of poor Muslims, but you are up against a bunch of educated, rich white people, in your own country, many of them even Christians.

The actions of some Polish kid? Or some Latvian teenager? We're talking about people from Europe. Some of them are just as white and just as racist as you are.

For coming entirely, for no other reason than to work at jobs???

Contrary to what you are certain of, you will not improve their behavior by being a jerk.

You have the ability. Whether you have a right is the point of contention.

You are the same kind of rubbish as the English Only wackos, here. who are hateful toward Latin Americans. You are the same defective breed. You are unacceptable here, and you are unacceptable anywhere. There is no place that you belong.

Be careful with all those personal attacks against another member there especially after one of your posts already got removed. You're starting to sound like one of those apologists and at this point there really is no point bothering to read your attempts to insult.

Do continue while I talk about the actual subject or meanwhile you can keep making silly arguments about Mexicans which have nothing to do with this thread.
 
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Do continue while I talk about the actual subject or meanwhile you can keep making silly arguments about Mexicans which have nothing to do with this thread.


You're also doing it though, by bringing in Islamic terrorism into a debate on EU internal migration.
 
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If they don't come here loving this country, I will make sure that I teach them to.

Tell me how does one teach a Jihadist too not cause havoc when that's the intention. How are YOU going to teach a Jihadist who's brandishing a meat cleaver around in the street like the ones that murdered Lee Rigby?

Now this should be good. What? Would you give them a slap on the wrist and tell then to behave?:##: You can't reason with people like that not if you want to keep your limbs and it would be stupid to even bother.

Kicking them out and starving them is the answer.
 
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Ben sorry in 79 A.D. Octavianus Augustus was already dead. 65 years before... :( :( :(

Many thousands of immigrants had moved into Rome by the time of Augustus.
 
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Agreed - the guy has no standing in the Islamic community, has no training, has no authority, he is not a judge as is often claimed. The only place he gets heard is amongst the media who want a boogie man to talk about.

If you go read Jon Ronson you get a pretty big insight into how strange and small fish him and OmarBakri are.

Well that boogie man is advising his kind on how to live off handouts and treat the country how THEY feel they should treat it.
 
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That is a bad choice. The massive immigration of other cultures into Rome weakened the character of the people, making susceptible to the military take over of Caesar and later Augustus, and eventually weakening their ability to resist the barbarian invasions.

:rotflmao:

Caesar took over in 49 B.C. Rome lasted another 500 years after that.

That's a bit like complaining that immigration into the US in 2015 will cause the collapse of the country by 2615.




That link says Rome is suffering a "toxic mix of corruption, debt, poor administration and shabby infrastructure" (which, BTW, is what the British ALWAYS say about Italy).

It says nothing whatsoever about immigration. Are you trying to make the point that massive immigration two thousand years ago has led to current Italian corruption? Or do you mean the constant immigration there over the past two thousand years? Or do you mean the modern immigration there of the past few years? Which of these immigrants destroyed this great European culture? And when, exactly, did they destroy it?




No, of course not.

There are always those who are afraid of the different.



A little immigration brings new ideas; too much totally changes the society and usually, not for the better.

So, some immigration is good.

How much is good, and how much is too much?



Ask the Celtic Britons, driven out by the Anglo Saxons, or they in turn subjugated by the Normans.

The Anglo-Saxons did NOT enter Britain as immigrants. They invaded.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration.



The barbarian invasions of Rome lead to a long period called the Dark Ages.
We are on the verge of giving political and economic control of our country to people and cultures who have made messes of their own counties.

The barbarian invasions of Rome have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with immigration. The Germans were not immigrants. They did not destroy Rome by moving there, getting jobs, and voting for Democrats.
 
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When the muslims become a larger part of the British population, will they respect the religion, art, music and archtecture of the British, much of which is Christian, or seek to destroy it as they do in other countries? I think we know the answer.

This kind of nonsense is what they want.

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Well said I could say T-Rexx. Correct. :) Of course there could be a huge plethora of very deep considerations about that but if for the middle class ppl raising children is getting more and more difficult in Italy could it be because this "middle class" is simply disappearing there?. And what about elsewhere? View attachment 1123664

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Yes, AgisMole, the middle class in Italy IS disappearing. As it is also in the USA and much of the developed world.

It is a problem of rising inequality. More and more of the GDP of western nations is being controlled by fewer and fewer of the wealthy. That means fewer people are earning "middle class" wages, which is another way of saying that the middle class is disappearing.

The decline of births in the west in the last 50 years is largely a manifestation of rising economic inequality in the west. Raising children in developed societies is very expensive. And fewer and fewer westerners are able or willing to make the investment.
 
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Ben sorry in 79 A.D. Octavianus Augustus was already dead. 65 years before... :( :( :(

Our dear sweet ben is seriously challenged by facts.
 
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Britain pays ISIS killers' benefits.

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The Government is probing fears hundreds of terrorists are raking in state handouts while waging war in Syria and Iraq.

Claimants are not entitled to handouts such as Jobseeker’s Allowance while living overseas.

But they and their partners can access other benefits including Income Support and tax credits which do not involve them reporting in person to Jobcentres so often.

The Department for Work and Pensions has launched a series of reviews after discovering people living in Iraq and Syria have successfully claimed benefits.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/446756/ISIS-benefits-Britain-money-Islamic-State

They are also abusing our welfare system by claiming benefits and taking them back to Syria.
 
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Yes, AgisMole, the middle class in Italy IS disappearing. As it is also in the USA and much of the developed world.

It is a problem of rising inequality. More and more of the GDP of western nations is being controlled by fewer and fewer of the wealthy. That means fewer people are earning "middle class" wages, which is another way of saying that the middle class is disappearing.

The decline of births in the west in the last 50 years is largely a manifestation of rising economic inequality in the west. Raising children in developed societies is very expensive. And fewer and fewer westerners are able or willing to make the investment.

Inequality is the symptom and not the cause or the disease. The disease is the coming of masses of immigrants willing to work cheap occurring at the same time that technology is making it easy to dispense with much human labor, and western businesses struggle to compete with foreign competition. Inequality does not cause poverty. That is a myth left over from pre-industrial economies. Oprah, Gates, Buffett, Zuckerburg, etc are all billionaires but they have not caused anyone to be poor. Nor did Justin Bieber, Leonard di Caprio, etc all worth many millions. Pulling them down would make liberals/marxists feel all warm and cozy, but it will exacerbate the problem and solve nothing.
 
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Inequality is the symptom and not the cause or the disease. The disease is the coming of masses of immigrants willing to work cheap occurring at the same time that technology is making it easy to dispense with much human labor, and western businesses struggle to compete with foreign competition.

O sancta simplicitas!

Inequality does not cause poverty. That is a myth left over from pre-industrial economies.

Didn't know that benvolio now is an expert on "pre-industrial economies' mythology"?!

I was totally sure he's expert on Republicon-pseudoconservative-capitalist economy mythology, isn't he?!
 
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Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
Inequality is the symptom and not the cause or the disease.

Inequalities have been responsible for the French Revolution, and the Russian Revolution...bloody examples that should encourage us not to seek a re-run.

“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”~Franklin D. Roosevelt
 
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Inequalities have been responsible for the French Revolution, and the Russian Revolution...bloody examples that should encourage us not seek a re-run.
I, of course agree that POVERTY is a problem. But, again, you are assuming that inequality causes poverty. It does not. In industrial societies there is no such connection. In a pre-industrial economy, there is only so much money at a given time, and most income comes from the land, owned by a few big land owners. In a given year there is only so much harvest. If the peasant want more, the owner must take less and if the owner wants more, the peasants get less. This is of course, the economy depicted in the bible.
But in an industrial society there is no such connection, because there is no limit on production.
Notice, that FDR was not talking about inequality as such but about poverty at the bottom

The inequalities are greater in the US because it is so easy to become very rich quickly. This is because of the huge size of the market, so that selling a tiny bit to a huge number of people results in great wealth. My example is Oprah on TV. She is worth 2 billion dollars or so. BUT, if she had done exactly the same on, for example, Greek TV speaking in Greek, she would have made far, far less entirely because of the difference in the audience size. The US is a rich country with the third highest population in the world, and is part of the world wide English speaking culture, most countries of which are also rich.
The authoress of the Harry Potter series is the wealthiest woman in Britain, and became so very quickly by selling her books to the world wide English audience. Successful movie, TV and sport stars quickly become very rich, many Australian and Canadian, selling into the world wide audience. The same dynamic works with innovative products, and is part of the reason the US is a leader in technologies. Someone with a new idea will find financing and investors relatively easy because a new, desirable product in the huge market involves less risk than elsewhere. Suppose Apple had developed the first personal computer in Greece. Would they have found investors or bank financing, knowing that only a small percentage of people would be interested at first? In the US a tiny fraction of an immense market justified the development.

In the US poverty is largely caused by two factors: welfare and immigration. We pay people to live on welfare, generation after generation.Then, we invite in millions of very poor and uneducated third world people each year, eager to work for small wages. They compete with Americans and bring down wages. They force Americans to compete with the next higher job level, and the next, bringing down incomes, by supply and demand, for all but the most skilled and educated.
 
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