French Presidential Election : I need to move to another country...

[coco2006]

But does anybody really know what Sarkozy is really going to do? I get the impression he's one of these guys who comes up with a new idea every minute or so. Should be interesting to watch anyway...

I agree with your analysis... but the ideas are not his : he just pics the most "popular" ones, changing his mind day after day... I don't really think it will be interesting...

And of course in any democracy there's a difference between what you can say when you're campaigning and what you can actually do once you have to work with the other branches of government.

He's been in charge for 5 years, now, and did NOTHING good. He was "ministre d'Etat", used to be more powerful than our PM, and did NOTHING good... as I said before : I'm affraid, very affraid...

 

[james1200]

coco...you know i love you to death. but don't you think that the left in france is overreacting to sarkozy's victory? i'm a left-wing liberal, by american standards anyway, but i'm not so sure that i wouldn't support sarkozy's agenda if i lived in france (for reasons i stated above). i mean, aren't all these diatribes and protests really only because he called the rioters from last year "scum"? and aren't they indeed scum for wanting to force their narrow, stupid, religious agenda on your beautiful and secular country? it looks from over here like those rioteres wanted to set up some sort of low-grade islamic state and were using poverty as an excuse to push their sick agenda. if i were you coco, i'd be a little scared of people who want to restrict your freedoms in the name of allah. sorry but radical muslims, like radical christians, need to be checked and banished in a rocket ship right into the sun (dare to dream!)...if they want a theocracy (which they do) they should fucking go back where they came from...

whew. glad i got that off my chest...

much love !

 

[coco2006]

coco...you know i love you to death. but don't you think that the left in france is overreacting to sarkozy's victory? i'm a left-wing liberal, by american standards anyway, but i'm not so sure that i wouldn't support sarkozy's agenda if i lived in france (for reasons i stated above). i mean, aren't all these diatribes and protests really only because he called the rioters from last year "scum"? and aren't they indeed scum for wanting to force their narrow, stupid, religious agenda on your beautiful and secular country? it looks from over here like those rioteres wanted to set up some sort of low-grade islamic state and were using poverty as an excuse to push their sick agenda. if i were you coco, i'd be a little scared of people who want to restrict your freedoms in the name of allah. sorry but radical muslims, like radical christians, need to be checked and banished in a rocket ship right into the sun (dare to dream!)...if they want a theocracy (which they do) they should fucking go back where they came from...

whew. glad i got that off my chest...

much love !

My dear, dear James... riots in France have NEVER been related to any question of religion... it was not people fighting to restrict my freedoms in the name of Allah... it was people fighting against the ones who want to restrict our freedom in the name of Money...

As you said, even if you're a left-wing liberal, that means in France you would be, for the best, a center-right wing person... so I think you can't totally understand what the problem is...

And about the young people involved in riots, and about them "going back where they came from...", I already explained many times they are NOT foreign peoples... most of them have born in France and are the third or even fourth generation of their families living in France. When there is a riot in USA, like the ones with black people in the 80s and 90s, does your government threat to send all these people back to Africa ???...

xoxoxoxoxo

 

[slobone]

^^^Here's what we hear over here: these young Muslims felt frustrated because they've never been able to move into the mainstream of French society. They've been ghettoized in enormous housing projects in the banlieues.

It's difficult for them to get jobs because of French employment policies that discourage employers from hiring new people. In their isolation they're easy prey for radical Muslim preachers.

The French policy is not even to recognize separate ethnic identities, anybody born in France is French, tout court. So it's even hard to gather good statistics about the ethnic makeup of French society, much less devise a policy specifically to deal with Muslim Frenchmen.

Any truth to this? (And by the way we have many similar problems, and worse, in the US.)

 

[Piquechampion]

He's not "evil", just hypocrit, liar, agressive, selfish, and he loves power more than anyone else... all that at a never reached level, by any politician... he's dangerous, really.

I think you just got your own French Berlusconi

Btw, Why does the French always seem to go for the psycho dwarfs?

 

[coco2006]

^^^Here's what we hear over here: these young Muslims felt frustrated because they've never been able to move into the mainstream of French society. They've been ghettoized in enormous housing projects in the banlieues.

Right.... and wrong... : it's not just about muslims...it's first about poor people who came, years ago, to work here from all over the world (there are muslims, yes, a lot, essentially from North Africa, but people from Eastern Europa too (and most of them are not muslims), asians, "black" africans.......
You're right about the fact that some of these peoples (not a lot, just a few) have never been able to move into the mainstream of French society... But the problem, now, is not about them, it's about their children : they are french since two or three generations, now, and most of them live in poor suburbs... they feel themselves abandonned by the society, so they have no rules, and spend their time doing nothing but bad things...

I guess the problem exists everywhere ? The only difference in France is this thing about generations : the new migrants are not a real problem (they are much less numerous than the far right parties say to get voices)... the old ones neither... but nothing has been done to integrate the young ones, the ones who born in France

It's difficult for them to get jobs because of French employment policies that discourage employers from hiring new people. In their isolation they're easy prey for radical Muslim preachers.

Is that really what you hear from where you live ????? You're talking about a very, very, very small minority... sounds like a "Bushian" propaganda...

The French policy is not even to recognize separate ethnic identities, anybody born in France is French, tout court. So it's even hard to gather good statistics about the ethnic makeup of French society, much less devise a policy specifically to deal with Muslim Frenchmen.

Well... no discrimination... our Constitution is very strict about that... so it's impossible to know how many white/black/maghrebine/asian people live actually in France, because when they take a census, nobody is allowed to use these criterions... same thing for the religion... remember we, in Europe, have bad memories about governments counting peoples with ethnical or religious criterions...

Any truth to this? (And by the way we have many similar problems, and worse, in the US.)

I heard that too...

 

[coco2006]

I think you just got your own French Berlusconi

Btw, Why does the French always seem to go for the psycho dwarfs?

You're so right when you're talking about our "French Berlusconi" !!!!!

About psycho dwarves... well... he's the first one becoming President, here, so I can't say anything... from De Gaulle to Chirac, they all have been normally sized, still now...

 

[Piquechampion]

About psycho dwarves... well... he's the first one becoming President, here, so I can't say anything... from De Gaulle to Chirac, they all have been normally sized, still now...

Ehem... Bonaparte anyone???

 

[coco2006]

Ehem... Bonaparte anyone???

Bonaparte was not a tall man, but he was a great man... at least seen from France, of course, lol !!! I guess he can be considered as a psycho dwarf if you are british, russian, spanish, italian, or black from anywhere (because he brought back slavery in the country...), but in France, he's huge... just take a look at his coffin...

I guess a match box would have been enough...

 

[slobone]

Yeah, I wasted an afternoon trekking all the way out there just to see the fucking tomb... because the Michelin Green Guide gave it three étoiles ***... last time I believe them... I could have been sitting on a sidewalk somewhere having a lovely drink...

 

[Nonimus]

I could have been sitting on a sidewalk somewhere having a lovely drink...

I'll join you - I always end up in le Gutter when i'm abroad.

 

[slobone]

^^^Just remember vin ordinaire is all vin d'Algérie these days...

 

[Nonimus]

^^^Just remember vin ordinaire is all vin d'Algérie these days...

I'll write that down....

 

[Piquechampion]

Yeah, I wasted an afternoon trekking all the way out there just to see the fucking tomb... because the Michelin Green Guide gave it three étoiles ***... last time I believe them... I could have been sitting on a sidewalk somewhere having a lovely drink...

Well Paris do beats any city in the World in beautifulness IMO

 

[Piquechampion]

Bonaparte was not a tall man, but he was a great man... at least seen from France, of course, lol !!! I guess he can be considered as a psycho dwarf if you are british, russian, spanish, italian, or black from anywhere (because he brought back slavery in the country...), but in France, he's huge... just take a look at his coffin...

I guess a match box would have been enough...

Ehem, and sacrificing thousands of young Frenchmen to satisfy his craziness for glory is called greatness?

 

[Nonimus]

Ehem, and sacrificing thousands of young Frenchmen to satisfy his craziness for glory is called greatness?

Nope, but it's a good start

 

[Piquechampion]

For ya Coco

Does he looks like Sarkozy?

 

[Nonimus]

For ya Coco

Does he looks like Sarkozy?

Can't see anything, but if its the same guy i'm thinking of he's a little yellow frog

 

[coco2006]

Ehem, and sacrificing thousands of young Frenchmen to satisfy his craziness for glory is called greatness?

Well... that makes him a sort of ancient french GWB, so.... even if "his crazyness for glory" has to be changed for "his rich friends and parents' crazyness for money"...

Yeah, I wasted an afternoon trekking all the way out there just to see the fucking tomb... because the Michelin Green Guide gave it three étoiles ***... last time I believe them... I could have been sitting on a sidewalk somewhere having a lovely drink...

Come on ! The monument itself worth it, even if you don't like graves and coffins !

But I guess you're right about the drink, lol !...

^^^Just remember vin ordinaire is all vin d'Algérie these days......

If you came in France to drink "vin ordinaire", you should have stayed at home...

 

[coco2006]

For ya Coco

Does he looks like Sarkozy?

EXACTLY !!!!! LOL !!!!

Nominus, just copy the link and pass it in your browser... the pics looks like an official picture... soon, you'll see it in every single city-halls in France !!! More fun for wedding days !!! Lololololol !!!!