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[metta]

NOM Launches Petition Campaign To Stop Mythical DOMA Repeal In Congress


http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/11/nom-launches-petition-campaign-to-stop.html

 

[scream4ever]

Yes. The man who can overturn any law. Should be fun. Of course I know who I'm talking to but just to emphasize, who wrote the two largest gay rights victories at the Supreme Court?

I hope DOMA is considered by the Scotus first, if that's what you mean.

I think there is a great chance that the Supreme Court will refuse to hear Perry v Schwarzenegger either on standing grounds (even if the California Supreme Court rules proponents have standing, they could easily reverse it, using Arizona v English as Official Language as precedent) or also because it will just apply to California and with all the cases against DOMA headed there way they may simply refuse to get involved.

Either way the DOMA cases won't be heard by the Supreme Court until 2013 at the earliest (the appeals court won't hear it until January 2012 at the earliest)

"Then there are the skinheads and neo-Nazis, who almost never vote -- but they'll vote against gays"

Somehow I don't think Maine has a big skinhead/neo-Nazi population

 

[Kulindahr]

NOM Launches Petition Campaign To Stop Mythical DOMA Repeal In Congress


http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/11/nom-launches-petition-campaign-to-stop.html

Gotta keep the troops excited.

 

[Kulindahr]

So all you have is conjecture.

No, I have experience of several decades of Oregon elections -- and watching the bigot machine in action.

 

[asianstudlover]

Hmm, it would probably still be close. But with it being a presidential election resulting in greater turnout and 3 years after the last failed effort, it just might pass.

remember that it was in the middle of the recession very low turn out election OFF YEAR not even midterm election, and it only failed by 53 percebt to 46 percent.
Gov. Paul Lepage is not exactly crazy popular, hes acually a little bizzarre.
AND most impotantly DEMOCRATS and younger voters VOTE in Presidential years, republicans vote pretty much all the time in similar numbers. ANYTHING as far as social justice should be done in a presidential year always!!

 

[metta]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...55719918940.350528.257910883939&type=1&ref=nf

 

[scream4ever]

Yes I believe 2013 will be our year to shine just like 2009. hey i just made a rhyme... omg i just made another one!

It's also a year that a lot of bad shit comes off my credit report.

I'm saving up a wine and JW collection...

I think the SCOTUS pounce on both DOMA and Perry quite honestly. It only takes four justices to grant certiorari and the scotus being so ideologically divided, the losing wing won't be able to resist.

And 2011 hasn't been a great year? The DOJ stopped defending DOMA, we legalized gay marriage in New York, and DADT is dead. 2012 I think will also bring great things, with Maine legalizing gay marriage via vote (and IMO Washington has a great chance too if the legislature passes it next year), and Minnesota defeating the ban.

As far as the Supreme Court, remember that they refused to hear the case from DC regarding a public vote on marriage equality. It is possible the same will happen with Perry v Schwarzenegger considering it will only apply to California.

 

[scream4ever]

remember that it was in the middle of the recession very low turn out election OFF YEAR not even midterm election, and it only failed by 53 percebt to 46 percent.
Gov. Paul Lepage is not exactly crazy popular, hes acually a little bizzarre.
AND most impotantly DEMOCRATS and younger voters VOTE in Presidential years, republicans vote pretty much all the time in similar numbers. ANYTHING as far as social justice should be done in a presidential year always!!

The exact results were 52.89% in favor of repeal.

Lepage isn't popular. Polls have shown that most voters if they could would've voted for Elliot Cutler instead. I've heard many analysts say that had it not been for so many absentee votes for Lepage that Cutler would've won.

 

[Kulindahr]

And 2011 hasn't been a great year? The DOJ stopped defending DOMA, we legalized gay marriage in New York, and DADT is dead. 2012 I think will also bring great things, with Maine legalizing gay marriage via vote (and IMO Washington has a great chance too if the legislature passes it next year), and Minnesota defeating the ban.

As far as the Supreme Court, remember that they refused to hear the case from DC regarding a public vote on marriage equality. It is possible the same will happen with Perry v Schwarzenegger considering it will only apply to California.

But the DC case involved whether the city could, under the law, hold a public vote, or be required to. In California, such a vote is provided for in the state constitution. So they're two different issues. In DC, the issue was procedural; in California, the issue is constitutional.

Further, the DC case would have applied only top DC, but if the Ninth strikes down Prop 8 on constitutional grounds, it will apply to Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, and Guam plus some other Pacific islands. If the Ninth upholds that lower ruling striking down Proposition 8 and the Supreme Court doesn't hear the case, the decision will become 'law' in all those states.

I'd personally rather see a case in another circuit or two, decided in favor of marriage equality, coming up at the same time, but we deal with what we have.

 

[scream4ever]

But the DC case involved whether the city could, under the law, hold a public vote, or be required to. In California, such a vote is provided for in the state constitution. So they're two different issues. In DC, the issue was procedural; in California, the issue is constitutional.

Further, the DC case would have applied only top DC, but if the Ninth strikes down Prop 8 on constitutional grounds, it will apply to Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, and Guam plus some other Pacific islands. If the Ninth upholds that lower ruling striking down Proposition 8 and the Supreme Court doesn't hear the case, the decision will become 'law' in all those states.

I'd personally rather see a case in another circuit or two, decided in favor of marriage equality, coming up at the same time, but we deal with what we have.

Didn't they make it clear at the hearing in the 9th Circut last December that the ruling would only apply to California?

 

[Kulindahr]

Didn't they make it clear at the hearing in the 9th Circut last December that the ruling would only apply to California?

I've read that but I don't see how it can. The case is based on U.S. Constitution issues, and as such the decision will rest on that. As such, it's a decision about U.S. constitutional law, and that's going to apply to every part of the circuit. The only way they could limit it to California would be to decide it on the basis of California law alone.

 

[scream4ever]

Federal courts hear cases of federal question only. They may however point out a technicality unique to California law which violates the comstitution

Or they could basically say that when marriage equality is declared a fundamental right, denying it is based on anti-gay animus. As a result, attempts to ban gay marriage in say Iowa would be moot.

 

[Kulindahr]

Or they could basically say that when marriage equality is declared a fundamental right, denying it is based on anti-gay animus. As a result, attempts to ban gay marriage in say Iowa would be moot.

Not exactly -- Iowa is a bit outside the Ninth.

But it would be a strong precedent for a case in Iowa.

 

[scream4ever]

Not exactly -- Iowa is a bit outside the Ninth.

But it would be a strong precedent for a case in Iowa.

I meant if the Supreme Court hears the case (which is up in the air) and rules as such.

 

[Kulindahr]

I meant if the Supreme Court hears the case (which is up in the air) and rules as such.

Well, yes -- any decision by the Supreme Court basically determines what the law is everywhere U.S. authority runs.

 

[metta]

Effort to make gay marriage legal in the State of Washington begins

http://www.katu.com/news/local/133857548.html

 

[Kulindahr]

Do we know a time-frame when they will consider Perry?

I am been confused by the role of this state opinion has in delaying an appeals decision by the circuit court. When it appears, is the federal appeals decision ready to be published? Or is it going to take some additional months?

My guess is a couple of months. Though they could have been working on their opinions in the meantime, they have a serious caseload so they're probably not done with it.

But if they don't have a decision by 1 May, I'll wonder what we pay them for.

 

[scream4ever]

My guess is a couple of months. Though they could have been working on their opinions in the meantime, they have a serious caseload so they're probably not done with it.

But if they don't have a decision by 1 May, I'll wonder what we pay them for.

With the way the 9th Circut fast tracked the case before I'd be shocked if they don't issue a ruling by March.

 

[metta]

California Supreme Court to Issue Ruling on Prop 8 Standing Tomorrow

http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2011/...-to-issue-ruling-on-prop-8-standing-tomorrow/

 

[Kulindahr]

That's the most I've read yet about the hearing before California SC. Looks like the proponents will get standing.