Geeks OUT Campaign: Skip Ender's Game

[Kulindahr]

Re: (WARNING) Ender's Game Supports Homophobia & Goes Against Our Rights

I added it to my Kindle to reread when I get a chance I have a very distinct memory of being 16 and putting the book down in disgust at the homophobia, but I also haven't read it since it was first published in 1999.

The only possible candidate for your description is Anton, the scientist who created Bean in the first place, but he wasn't gay -- he just wasn't interested in sex; as I recall it, he found the process faintly disgusting especially in comparison to sparklingly clean test tubes.

 

[Willie Boy]

Re: (WARNING) Ender's Game Supports Homophobia & Goes Against Our Rights

It's a grey area. I'm choosing not to see the film because I think it looks awful, but saying that people are 'supporting homophobia' by seeing it is quite extreme.

Has <this> article been posted yet? (Sorry if it has). I don't know how accurate these supposed sources are, but it's worth reading anyway.

You like to gather facts? Really? More like make things up and pass them off as facts like you've proven to do this ENTIRE thread.

It's not about whether there are homophobic scenes in the movie or not, it's about the money making an extremely homophobic person millions who is very likely to fund anti-gay organizations to prevent something that he's STRONGLY AGAINST which is gay marriage and any other gay rights. Go ahead and watch it though but you lose the right to bitch about any type of homophobia that comes your way because you support it but I know you will anyways because you like to complain. Have fun.

Read the above quote.... Do you have anything intelligent to say or are you just going to put your other foot in your mouth, too?

The point is there are far too many gays who blow things out of proportion and get much of the rest of the community worked up without the facts. As I said, Card has already made his money. Boycotting the film, which may or may not be against his own views, does not affect him. With the industry the way it is Card's views may even be mocked in the film. But you are right, boycotting the film (which could possibly stand up for gay rights) simply because the original story was long ago written by one who is homophobic and has long since gotten his money from it will surely teach him a thing or two.

No, he'll just watch and laugh at all the idiotic gays (paraphrasing his ideology) and strengthen his own disdain for the gay community and causing others, who have nothing against homosexuality, to rethink their stand. In effect y'alls are shooting yourselves in the feet. Much like the whole "We're here, we're queer. Get over it" idea.

 

[palbert]

Re: (WARNING) Ender's Game Supports Homophobia & Goes Against Our Rights

The NYTimes makes it sound most unpleasant. Will probably not even Netflix it for that reason; not because of the OP's tempest in a teacup.

 

[diamondstar]

Re: (WARNING) Ender's Game Supports Homophobia & Goes Against Our Rights

Here I thought being broke, uninterested, and tired wasn't enough. Thank you OP, I wasn't going to see that shit anyways.

 

[zombiekiller]

Re: (WARNING) Ender's Game Supports Homophobia &amp; Goes Against Our Rights

Read the above quote.... Do you have anything intelligent to say or are you just going to put your other foot in your mouth, too?

The point is there are far too many gays who blow things out of proportion and get much of the rest of the community worked up without the facts. As I said, Card has already made his money. Boycotting the film, which may or may not be against his own views, does not affect him. With the industry the way it is Card's views may even be mocked in the film. But you are right, boycotting the film (which could possibly stand up for gay rights) simply because the original story was long ago written by one who is homophobic and has long since gotten his money from it will surely teach him a thing or two.

No, he'll just watch and laugh at all the idiotic gays (paraphrasing his ideology) and strengthen his own disdain for the gay community and causing others, who have nothing against homosexuality, to rethink their stand. In effect y'alls are shooting yourselves in the feet. Much like the whole "We're here, we're queer. Get over it" idea.

I have to disagree with this view.

Before I go on, I will say that I am quietly boycotting this film. I have not said a word to anyone else. It is a personal choice.

I realize that Card has already gotten his money. I may be an idiot, but I can still understand this. What I'm thinking is long term here, not just this film. There is nothing I can do about them making a movie from a book written by a loud homophobic author. So, your logic is we should just not worry about it and support the film. What kind of bullshit logic is this?

The producers decided to pay a homophobic author tons of money to make a movie out of his work. I can't get to Card, but I sure as hell can get to the producers and those others involved.

I know I know. I'm not that important. I'm just a peon. I'm nobody. And it is the personal choice of this nobody that they ain't getting $12 from me.

 

[Native Son]

Re: (WARNING) Ender's Game Supports Homophobia & Goes Against Our Rights

here's the older thread on it..

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/threads/406377-Geeks-OUT-Campaign-Skip-Ender-s-Game?highlight=enders+game

This should have been merged already. (It's not like the original thread was was from, like, 2007 or something.)

Anyway...

Ultimately I don't want to see it just because it looks to be really shitty.

 

[Willie Boy]

Re: (WARNING) Ender's Game Supports Homophobia &amp; Goes Against Our Rights

I realize that Card has already gotten his money. I may be an idiot, but I can still understand this. What I'm thinking is long term here, not just this film. There is nothing I can do about them making a movie from a book written by a loud homophobic author. So, your logic is we should just not worry about it and support the film. What kind of bullshit logic is this?

No, my logic is if someone is interested in watching this film they should decide for themselves and not just jump on some confused bandwagon with the thought that they are in any way affecting the writer. The whole boycott was created as an attack on Card, but it doesn't affect him.

The producers decided to pay a homophobic author tons of money to make a movie out of his work. I can't get to Card, but I sure as hell can get to the producers and those others involved.

No. The producers decided to take a well known work of science fiction and make a movie out of it. Yes, it was written by a homophobe, and yes he did get paid for it. But the more important question, the one all these straight-phobic gays don't bother to ask as they can't even see it through the bloodlust in their eyes, is this: Are the producers being faithful to Card's homophobia, or have they (like so often happens in Hollywood with many things) completely removed any suggestion of homophobia in the adaptation for the screen? Boycotting the film does not answer this. My logic is to answer this question prior to donning the warpaint and starting down that path. The gay community wouldn't like it if everything they tried was treated with the "shoot first and ask questions later" mentality...... Yet that is their first response to everything.

I know I know. I'm not that important. I'm just a peon. I'm nobody. And it is the personal choice of this nobody that they ain't getting $12 from me.

That's fine. You had a personal choice to make and you made it based on the information you had at hand, not simply because others insisted you toe the party line.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: (WARNING) Ender's Game Supports Homophobia & Goes Against Our Rights

^
Except there's no homophobia in the book. They'd have to invent it for the movie.

 

[Willie Boy]

Re: (WARNING) Ender's Game Supports Homophobia & Goes Against Our Rights

I was speaking to the implied suggestion that a book written by a homophobe was full of hidden homophobia.

 

[Native Son]

Re: (WARNING) Ender's Game Supports Homophobia & Goes Against Our Rights

All I know is show me the receipts come Monday morning or even Sunday evening.

 

[Native Son]

Boing!

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

 

[Willie Boy]

One thing everybody is forgetting is that he's already got his money out of the deal. He isn't getting royalties, he didn't actually have any influence on the production of the movie, despite being politely given producer credits and acknowledgement that it is based on his written work. So, refusing to pay for or see it does nothing to Card, but affects all others who have worked on the film. How many of them are homophobes and how many have actually taken a stand in favor of gay rights? If you really are concerned about homophobia that is where you should focus, not on one individual who will not be affected by your choice.

Personally I WILL watch the film. My partner an d I love science fiction and are interested in seeing Harrison Ford and Ben Kingsley in their roles. Also, Moises Arias (from Disney's Hannah Montana) is in it. He was always funny and is all grown up now, be interesting to see his current work.

Those of you insistent on not watching it.... Its your choice, but make the choice for yourself and not based on someone else's confused ideas, there's far too much of that on both sides of the issue already.

 

[Native Son]

One thing everybody is forgetting is that he's already got his money out of the deal. He isn't getting royalties, he didn't actually have any influence on the production of the movie, despite being politely given producer credits and acknowledgement that it is based on his written work. So, refusing to pay for or see it does nothing to Card, but affects all others who have worked on the film. How many of them are homophobes and how many have actually taken a stand in favor of gay rights? If you really are concerned about homophobia that is where you should focus, not on one individual who will not be affected by your choice.

Personally I WILL watch the film. My partner an d I love science fiction and are interested in seeing Harrison Ford and Ben Kingsley in their roles. Also, Moises Arias (from Disney's Hannah Montana) is in it. He was always funny and is all grown up now, be interesting to see his current work.

Those of you insistent on not watching it.... Its your choice, but make the choice for yourself and not based on someone else's confused ideas, there's far too much of that on both sides of the issue already.

http://www.thewrap.com/orson-scott-card-boycott-enders-game-box-office-book-instead

I’m just not so readily inclined to detach the work from the creator who in this case just happens to be as bad as they come.

“Card’s hate has come to color my experience of his fiction — as, I think, it should. Neither fiction nor its creators exist in a vacuum; nor is the choice to consume art or support an artist morally neutral.”

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/10/enders-game/

What you seem to be overlooking is that the success of this film means the inevitable sequel(s), the likelihood of the optioning of any of his other works or even any possible future projects.

But that’s all beside the point, really; make ‘em all and let him make piles of dough for all I care. I just won’t support any part of it as far as I can help it. And that's strictly just my personal little thing. (Well, not that little.)

 

[Willie Boy]

What you seem to be overlooking is that the success of this film means the inevitable sequel(s), the likelihood of the optioning of any of his other works or even any possible future projects.

So for the sake of feeling like you've stuck it to an asshole you are willing to harm a number of at the least gay friendly actors and crew who have worked on this film and would likely have worked on the sequels? That logic does not add up. It is equal to killing 100 innocents in the hope of making 1 guilty person feel remorse.

But that’s all beside the point, really; make ‘em all and let him make piles of dough for all I care. I just won’t support any part of it as far as I can help it. And that's strictly just my personal little thing. (Well, not that little.)

And you have a right to your choice. I just hope you understand that in boycotting this one film in the hopes of affecting one individual who is not affected you in fact affect many others who have taken a stand for your rights. If you really want to affect Card, boycott the book, he makes money from the renewed/continued sales of it, not from the movie.

If you really want to hit Card where it hurts, boycott his book instead: Card still profits handsomely from the novel, perched at the top of the latest New York Times Best Seller List for paperback mass-market fiction

 

[Native Son]

So for the sake of feeling like you've stuck it to an asshole you are willing to harm a number of at the least gay friendly actors and crew who have worked on this film and would likely have worked on the sequels? That logic does not add up. It is equal to killing 100 innocents in the hope of making 1 guilty person feel remorse.

I don't feel I've stuck it to anybody least alone Card. I just don't want to watch it.

I sincerely send out my utmost regards to the cast & crew who worked on this film. I know they did their best and I champion them for being good at what they do.

(Talk about guilt tripping.)

 

[Willie Boy]

You do realize there is a difference between boycotting a film and just not watching it due to a lack of interest in the film?

 

[eastofeden]

Those of you insistent on not watching it.... Its your choice, but make the choice for yourself and not based on someone else's confused ideas, there's far too much of that on both sides of the issue already.

...and what makes you think it would be based on someone else's "confused" ideas? I attend probably every Sci Fi movie released and I will not be attending this one or even watching it based SOLELY on Card

Am I joining the "boycott"? Eh...sorta... I would have boycotted it naturally anyway...I believe in being true to myself as an individual...Card offends my belief in equality under the law for everyone. I would not attend a movie where I know a practicing racist wrote the material either and stood to gain even a penny... or mainstream acceptance for his ideas.

 

[eastofeden]

You do realize there is a difference between boycotting a film and just not watching it due to a lack of interest in the film?

Do you realize that a lack of interest can be based on the person who wrote the material which might have otherwise been interesting had they not written it?

 

[G-Lexington]

If it made $28 million the first weekend, but cost $110 million to make, that's hardly a good return. I'm sure with overseas markets and so forth, it won't be a money-loser, but I doubt it'll be something they'll be rushing to make the next installment of, either.

Lex

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

So has anyone actually seen the movie yet? Ive read some good and bad things about it but was curious about how people felt here about the actual film itself.

Will be seeing it some time today since there isnt anything else that interesting to see.