GOProud NOT invited to CPAC 2012

[CowboyBob]

This is nothing more than a "faggots stay home". Republicans use gay people as political football and this proves they don't want us. Stop supporting them.

 

[hotatlboi]

As the USA has subsidized the suburban welfare lifestyle Americans have gained scores of lbs.

I think what people are eating has far more to do with their weight than where they live.

 

[MoltenRock III]

I think what people are eating has far more to do with their weight than where they live.

What percentage one vs the other makes, who knows. But either obese people prefer the suburbs or living in the suburbs makes them more likely to be obese.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/09/050909220354.htm

 

[JayQueer]

Did you ever stop to realize that the lifestyle you want so desperately is the very thing that has given you the life you hate so much? Your suburban existence has made you fat, which has caused or added to your depression, in addition to the loneliness you hate so much.

As the USA has subsidized the suburban welfare lifestyle Americans have gained scores of lbs. Living in a gated community all safe and sound apart from both nature and your neighbors has created this major sense of aloneness so many Americans have.

Don't knock the suburbs just because you don't live there. If anything, the suburbs are where "real Americans" come from, given that the majority of Americans now live in the suburbs of major cities. Most Americans don't want to live in an apartment for the rest of their life -- they want to aspire to the "American dream" of having their own detached, single-family house on their own piece of land. The suburbs are where most of America's best public schools are and where most Americans want to raise their children.

I'm sorry if I don't want to raise my children next to a gay bar or a bathhouse, or next to giant billboards for "Aussie Bum" underwear & scantily-clad men. Family values are important to me -- I don't want my kids seeing BDSM.

I want to drive an SUV so I can haul the groceries from Wal-Mart, and take my kids to after-school tutoring, soccer practice and piano lessons. I want to be at home cooking dinner, with the apple pie in the oven.........so I can greet my husband when he comes home from work, with a big hug & a kiss.........and serve my family a wholesome American meal at the dinner table.

It would be my duty to do my husband's laundry, and when he's "watching the big game" on TV.........of course, I would get him his favorite beer....

I know deep down........even though I'm a gay man.........I would make the perfect "Christian housewife" for the right man ........

 

[MoltenRock III]

That's great Jqueer, that's the beauty of America; choices. The lifestyle is more important to you than your obesity which you've complained about. Given what you've just posted you cannot whine about your obesity any longer. It's your choice to be obese or not. Personal choice / responsibility goes hand in hand.

 

[xRemyx]

JayQueer, just because you want to live in the suburbs and see that as the American Dream doesn't give you the right to knock others who dream of living in a city. Something tells me that when you visited San Francisco, you only wanted to see the negatives of city living.

It is very sad that your view is limited. Hopefully, for your sake, it will get better.

 

[thewiz]

A few observations:

First, when I was still in the closet and in Michigan, I most identified with the Republican party of the time because it held to views of fiscal responsibility and yet maintained protection for those most vulnerable in society. I believe it was about the time of the election of John Engler as governor that I saw the party take a very dark turn for the right and, in my view, cliff.

While they talked about fiscal responsibility, they played shell games with finances, cut taxes repeatedly and all the while talked about how jobs would flock to Michigan and "the sun will come out tomorrow." By the time he left office, a $1 billion deficit had been clearly established and all of the shell games had pretty much removed any chance of dancing through another budget year.

The promise of "jobs, jobs, jobs," turned more to "last one out, turn off the lights." The income of Michiganders plummeted and poverty rate soared. Schools and local government units continue to teeter on the verge of bankruptcy (which will instead be resolved by appointment of an "emergency financial manager") while college becomes ever pricier for those desiring to pursue further education. Mentally challenged were sent to the streets as institutions were closed to justify "smaller" government.

I see the Republican party headed the same direction only more selfishly at the national level. The poor? "Are there no debtor prisons?" There would be but they have been closed by repeated cutbacks in funding! The same mantra of cutting taxes for those making the most has become obscene. Living in DC, I have gone to Republican events and I become ill from the vilification of anyone not able to pull their own weight in society.

Second, our roommates are very active in Log Cabin Republicans. We have had many deep discussions on how they can continue despite being despised told to hide in the closet rather than being open participants in the party. They are certainly encouraged to volunteer at every function and contribute financially at every opportunity but after that -- shut up and perhaps put a table cloth on so you won't be noticed.

Third, while I had a hard time with the change I saw taking place, I have now become quite comfortable in the Democratic party. I find much less pressure (at least at the national level) to conform to one rigid ideology. I am free to voice my concerns (and they have been heard and acted upon) concerning unlimited and crazed spending.

And I am free to go with my husband and be full participants in anything with the party. I do think the stimulus package was totally skewed -- especially by the ignorance that anything handled through the federal process could be "fast."

I do often think there is too much zeal to appease the unions but then I see similar action from Republicans with the rich. I can more easily identify with those chosen by the Democrats.....

I'm sure we'll have more discussions with our roommates (they are 21 and 24) now that this decision has occurred. I enjoy poking!

 

[JayQueer]

I think you're right. It's all just getting too ridiculous.

I'm starting to envision a Bollywood version of "Somewhere That's Green" from "Little Shop of Horrors."

Will somebody please explain what you're talking about?

 

[xRemyx]

^
I think they're calling bull on your "American dream."

 

[mapiyu]

Don't knock the suburbs just because you don't live there. If anything, the suburbs are where "real Americans" come from, given that the majority of Americans now live in the suburbs of major cities. Most Americans don't want to live in an apartment for the rest of their life -- they want to aspire to the "American dream" of having their own detached, single-family house on their own piece of land. The suburbs are where most of America's best public schools are and where most Americans want to raise their children.

I'm sorry if I don't want to raise my children next to a gay bar or a bathhouse, or next to giant billboards for "Aussie Bum" underwear & scantily-clad men. Family values are important to me -- I don't want my kids seeing BDSM.

I want to drive an SUV so I can haul the groceries from Wal-Mart, and take my kids to after-school tutoring, soccer practice and piano lessons. I want to be at home cooking dinner, with the apple pie in the oven.........so I can greet my husband when he comes home from work, with a big hug & a kiss.........and serve my family a wholesome American meal at the dinner table.

It would be my duty to do my husband's laundry, and when he's "watching the big game" on TV.........of course, I would get him his favorite beer....

I know deep down........even though I'm a gay man.........I would make the perfect "Christian housewife" for the right man ........

This is another one of those moments when I just can't take you at face value.

Troll or satire. (or as he would like us to believe, self-aware humor? )

Btw, when you write these sorts of posts it becomes clear that, aside from being an ethnic minority homosexual, you come from a lot of privilege, but you are painfully oblivious to this privilege. Just because you have this idyllic suburban fantasy doesn't mean everyone else does. Just because this fantasy may be in your future doesn't mean it's in reach for everyone. What about poor, inner city folks? Someone born into an inner city welfare family with less privilege than you isn't less of an American. And policy should seek to protect/improve life for them, too. Not just the apple pie suburban middle class.
But I guess that's why you're a Republican, since Republican policy revolves around maintaining/preserving/concentrating the privilege of wealthy white Christian men. (And yes, I know you're not white and I'm assuming not Christian, but my point still stands.)

 

[JayQueer]

But I guess that's why you're a Republican, since Republican policy revolves around maintaining/preserving/concentrating the privilege of wealthy white Christian men. (And yes, I know you're not white and I'm assuming not Christian, but my point still stands.)

But I want to marry a wealthy White man........

Go to YouTube and find "Somewhere That's Green."

OMG.......that song was so sad! All she wanted to do was move out of "Skid Row" to the nice green suburbs.

I want that kind of life though..........I want to serve & take care of my man.......& raise the children, do the shopping, clean the house, run the errands, throw dinner parties, etc etc.

 

[xRemyx]

But I want to marry a wealthy White man........

So you're not marrying for love, but for "status."

If the "wealthy white man" constantly beats and berates you, would you stay? If he cheated and gave you a sexually transmitted disease, would you brush it off because he's a "wealthy white man?"

Whether you answer the questions or not, it doesn't matter. Honestly, I don't think you're serious.

 

[Just_Believe18]

The Republican party does not like gays. Why this still surprises people baffles me.

 

[rareboy]

^
I think they're calling bull on your "American dream."

And then some.


Not only is this image of white suburbia entirely phoney, it is predicated on the absurd notion that it is possible in a conservative society that opposes abortion, glorifies guns and is predicated on exploitation of fear.

It is just so annoying and frustrating to have someone who is constantly extolling the virtues of the political right, exhibit, apparently without any sense of irony, a total lack of awareness or appreciation that it has only been through the persistent efforts of the liberal thinkers, media, government and religions, that it is now possible to be an out, proud homo in American society...albeit within limits in most states. If this were still the dark era of post-war conservativism, homos would still be harassed, hated and likely have an FBI file.

This dystopian view of American society also is based on some bizarre notion that marriage is based on one wage earner when we know that most families couldn't function on a single income; that there is automatically happiness and satisfaction in being a Stepford wife (there isn't), and that life is nothing more than housekeeping and making your man happy. (barfs).

It represents an incredibly sheltered and jejune worldview that seems to be increasingly common among manchildren....those who have had mummy and daddy provide for them into their adulthood and who lack ambition and actual skills that would creatively challenge them in a profession.

 

[chrisrobin]

This might be too abstract for some to comprehend: force yourselves.

THE AMERICAN DREAM:

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Sorry, she forgot the SUV.

 

[chrisrobin]

It is just so annoying and frustrating to have someone who is constantly [STRIKE]extolling[/STRIKE] extrolling the virtues of the political right, exhibit, apparently without any sense of irony, a total lack of awareness or appreciation that it has only been through the persistent efforts of the liberal thinkers, media, government and religions, that it is now possible to be an out, proud homo in American society...albeit within limits in most states. If this were still the dark era of post-war conservativism, homos would still be harassed, hated and likely have an FBI file.

There. I fixed it.
Also, let's not forget Stonewall. I am eternally grateful that the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity or O'Reilly weren't around to belittle us and trash the event as "leftist inspired, anti-social behavior."

 

[rareboy]

^ Except that they still do talk trash.

Only now we have Coulter, Bachmann, 'Dr.' Laura and a whole host of crazies to do the heavy lifting for the religious right.

But we have the quislings and the Kapos in the homo community who just love the chisel jawed jack-booted blond guy in a long leather coat because deep down they don't believe that they are worthy of respect or the equal of heterosexuals.

Hopefully, the repeal of DADT and its full enactment will finally move the country beyond some of the structural gay-bashing that forms the foundation of the Republican Party platform.

 

[JayQueer]

Not only is this image of white suburbia entirely phoney, it is predicated on the absurd notion that it is possible in a conservative society that opposes abortion, glorifies guns and is predicated on exploitation of fear.

It is just so annoying and frustrating to have someone who is constantly extolling the virtues of the political right, exhibit, apparently without any sense of irony, a total lack of awareness or appreciation that it has only been through the persistent efforts of the liberal thinkers, media, government and religions, that it is now possible to be an out, proud homo in American society...albeit within limits in most states. If this were still the dark era of post-war conservativism, homos would still be harassed, hated and likely have an FBI file.

This dystopian view of American society also is based on some bizarre notion that marriage is based on one wage earner when we know that most families couldn't function on a single income; that there is automatically happiness and satisfaction in being a Stepford wife (there isn't), and that life is nothing more than housekeeping and making your man happy. (barfs).

It represents an incredibly sheltered and jejune worldview that seems to be increasingly common among manchildren....those who have had mummy and daddy provide for them into their adulthood and who lack ambition and actual skills that would creatively challenge them in a profession.

But I want to live in White-bread American suburbia. That's what I've known my entire life, growing up in Orange County, California. It's safe, clean, and nice friendly place. I like this kind of lifestyle..........just last month, for the 4th of July, we had a neighborhood potluck BBQ. I baked chocolate chip cookies for the whole neighborhood.......

I don't understand how so many gay men want to live in the dirty, crowded city, surrounded by drug users, illegal immigrants, pickpockets, hookers, prostitutes, thieves, and the entire underworld of society. I would be so scared if I had to live in San Francisco....

And then so many gay men are single, into their older years. How will you live as an old gay man, without a partner or husband? Isn't it very lonely & scary? That's why I don't understand why so many gay men just look for sex, and jump from man-to-man. Isn't it better to only be with one man for your life, and dedicate your lives to serving each other?

I guess I'm just very traditional, but I don't see anything wrong with being a "gay Stepford wife" from the suburbs.......

 

[SuprSonic]

Jay, you seem to hate everything that you aren't familiar with. There's far more to San Francisco than "drug users, illegal immigrants, pickpockets, hookers, prostitutes, thieves, and the entire underworld of society."

Seriously, why does everything fill you with hate and disgust?

 

[thewiz]

Funny but when I made the decision to come out, I also made the decision to abandon suburbia. I lived "the dream" with a 4 bedroom, three bathroom 2,900 square foot house with 2 1/2 car garage on a 1 1/2 acre tree-d lot.

I'd spend every night weeding flower beds and trimming bushes; every weekend was mowing the lawn and cleaning up the yard; and in between I would be at my kids' functions -- cross country, track, pom pon, dance, football, and soccer.

I'd walk 10 feet into the garage, hop in my car and drive to my office at city hall with my parking space next to the side door so all I had to do was walk inside and then up two flights of stairs to my office.

Moving to DC I began walking, riding my bike and exercising daily. I lost 65 pounds, my cholesterol dropped to a low level, my blood pressure is almost perfect, my sugars and other items are equivalent to someone younger.

I love living in the city. I enjoy that our condo is above a large, bright grocery store, several restaurants, a hardware store, a bank, and soon a new fitness business. We have a gay bar about a block away; Metro stops (2) are within 3 blocks.

We can walk to two Shakespeare theaters, Ford Theater, a 14-screen cinema, the National Theater or hop the Metro and a short ride later gets us to Kennedy Center or Reagan National Airport.

I walk 5 blocks to my office which is in the shadow of the capitol building. The White House is about 10 blocks away and the National Mall is just south of us.

Would I trade it for suburbia? Not a chance. I enjoy entertaining; we enjoy going out. We enjoy having dinner at a sidewalk cafe with friends or ourselves. We are active in many circles of DC and turn down about as many things as we go to.

Had I not met my husband, I had no problem getting dates or finding others to go out with; I did worry what would happen as I got older but that appears to be in the rear view mirror.

Perhaps because of my planning and city management background or maybe just my social embracing -- I love the city. I love the sights, I love the sounds, I love the people. Crime? Well, my daughter who still lives in "suburbia" has been burglarized twice and there is no chance of catching the perpetrators because she is living in the middle of nowhere and no one could see who broke in. Our concierge checks people into our building so I feel totally safe.

Suburbs were designed for autos; take a look at the ranch houses and what do you see? Usually a large garage in front of the house with large driveway and perhaps a small stoop and front door hidden to the side. Now look at houses built in the 1700's, 1,800's, or even early 1900's. You'll usually see a large front porch; perhaps a swing; chairs and lounges with lots of windows and shaded covering. The front door is prominent and usually leads to a grand entryway. The difference is that they were neighborhoods that were built for people. They encouraged interaction; they encouraged socializing; they embraced the outdoors (newer houses add a deck on the back of the house to access the outdoors -- secluded from all other humans in most cases).

I realize some like the seclusion of the country; I say "great!" For me and my husband, we love people and we love the city. Green Acres is "not for me!" lol!