Help me to understand something about the U.S. football national anthem kneeling protests....

[peeonme]

You're mistaken.

http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html

The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard
The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, fireman, policeman and members of patriotic organizations.
The flag should never have placed on it, or attached to it, any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind.
The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

In my experience, quite a few people stake that patriotic claim without actually reading what it's considered rude to do with said flag.

The key word in any of this is "should". Read what I posted in post 15, we don't live in a country where one gets the firing squad if they mess up or display protest or discontent.

 

[Alistair]

Since the players started the disrespect, they are in no position to get any.

It's some people's opinion that they are being disrespectful, don't lump me in on that. Remember opinions are like assholes....

 

[Benvolio]

It's sad that you think it's all about the money. Then again, I would have expected nothing less.

So, what do multi-millionaires protest about? High taxes?

 

[Alistair]

^ That just shows how often I watch football. I didn't even know they do the Pledge of Allegiance.

It was never aired on TV until this rating grab controversy. You would only see it if you were at the game. 5 years ago the players wouldn't even be on the field for the anthem.

 

[peeonme]

Since the players started the disrespect, they are in no position to get any.

This all started because citizens and their right to live were not being respected by the authorities. One player fell on his sword to protest cops shooting blacks.
At the time I was disturbed by that players actions... it was a knee jerk response from years of protocol. It drew attention to the problem at the players expense.

I might not agree with what a person says, but I will defend their right to say it.

 

[gsdx]

This all started because citizens and their right to live were not being respected by the authorities. One player fell on his sword to protest cops shooting blacks

Which was the reason I posted this:

 

[gsdx]

Did Tim Tebow receive this kind of controversy and criticism?

 

[luckynumbah7]

Did Tim Tebow receive this kind of controversy and criticism?

I was always taught devotion wasn't done by public spectacle. I can't comment on what Tebow's televised religious observances were like, never saw 'em. But from the song, I'd say a few people were a bit, ah, irritated. Can't say as I blame 'em, it's a mere football game.

Of course, showboating your faith is a different type of criticism from the 'kneeling is disrespect' category.

 

[Cormac135]

“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”

Albus Dumbledore.

 

[Cormac135]

“Remember, if the time should come when you have to make a choice between what is right, and what is easy, remember what happened to a boy who was good and kind and brave because he strayed across the path of President Trump.”

Albus Dumbledore.

 

[luckynumbah7]

“Remember, if the time should come when you have to make a choice between what is right, and what is easy, remember what happened to a boy who was good and kind and brave because he strayed across the path of President Trump.”

Albus Dumbledore.

I needed that laugh, bless you.

 

[gsdx]

I was always taught devotion wasn't done by public spectacle. I can't comment on what Tebow's televised religious observances were like, never saw 'em. But from the song, I'd say a few people were a bit, ah, irritated. Can't say as I blame 'em, it's a mere football game.

I thought he was allowed to do it considering the other players were banned from slamming the ball or dancing in the end zone.

 

[Benvolio]

“Remember, if the time should come when you have to make a choice between what is right, and what is easy, remember what happened to a boy who was good and kind and brave because he strayed across the path of President Trump.”

Albus Dumbledore.

Why would you quote an obvious fraud with the obviously fraudulent name Albus Dumbledore? Lol,lol.

 

[eastofeden]

The President is trying to start a civil war.....

...still think he isn't a Russian Stooge?

 

[LeicsDom]

The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard
The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, fireman, policeman and members of patriotic organizations.
The flag should never have placed on it, or attached to it, any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind.
The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

Wow you guys are really precious about a bit of cloth

Just look at some of the stuff out flag appears on and we don't get all hissy about it

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=union+jack+stuff&client=firefox-b-ab&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEq_jEtcHWAhUCbhQKHS8IBWUQ_AUICygC&biw=1024&bih=666

 

[luckynumbah7]

I thought he was allowed to do it considering the other players were banned from slamming the ball or dancing in the end zone.

You lost me. Who was allowed to do what when, Tebow or Kaepernick?

 

[gsdx]

You lost me. Who was allowed to do what when, Tebow or Kaepernick?

Tebow. I know he got a lot of attention the first time he did it, but it got ridiculous when he tried to patent the move so he could collect royalties every time someone did it. But I also remember it came after the 'performances' ban following touchdowns. A player couldn't celebrate a touchdown, but Tebow was allowed to 'do his thing'.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Tebow. I know he got a lot of attention the first time he did it, but it got ridiculous when he tried to patent the move so he could collect royalties every time someone did it. But I also remember it came after the 'performances' ban following touchdowns. A player couldn't celebrate a touchdown, but Tebow was allowed to 'do his thing'.

Well, in that case it'd be yet another example of hypocrisy, wouldn't it.

Public ritual observation (active) as a signal of religious devotion when one wins (which by my memory seems....skewed, because publicly trumpeted piety when you feel good about yourself sure as shit isn't considered a good thing by most familiar with the book, I'd thought) vs kneeling during the national anthem to call attention to an issue that the premise of the national anthem (a song about the flag lasting to morning, and we're all aware of what symbolism the flag represents, hello rights and responsibilities) that aren't being addressed? I'm not saying Tebow's faith is lacking; I'm saying he's loud about it for no good reason and...apparently tried to make money off of it? Fuck only knows what he was thinking there.

The action is often considered more important than the substance. If he thanked god when he lost, perhaps, say, as being grateful to be a recipient of such wisdom and changing chances that the loss represents I wouldn't be viewing it in so much of a petty self interested light. Funny thing, really.

 

[Sausy]

I just want to know why the hell every sporting event here starts with enforced, compulsory" patriotism"? I know after 9-11 it became virtually ritual, but for years we begin games with our national anthem or some other patriotic song... we don't do that at any other activity such as at the movies or the theater. The only crowd ritual at a game with any relevance is the seventh inning stretch in Major League Baseball culminating with the singing of "Take Me Out to the Ball Game". I hate enforced conduct especially in settings where there is dubious evidence for the wisdom and necessity of it... and our National Anthem is based melodically on an old English drinking song, for goodness' sakes!

Taking a knee, locking arms... whatever form it takes, if we're going to have a dubious display of patriotic conformity open every game we sure as hell shouldn't snipe at those who will take the moment to make a statement with those gestures that things aren't all okay and we shouldn't be afraid to take a stand or support those who dare act outside the proscribed "box" and do so themselves. The thing with Tebow was my biggest thing against him though from everything I hear personally about him he's far from a selfish, egocentric, entitled person. Still, the conspicuous kneeling in giving thanks to God(and if he tried to actually trademark that or something to that effect, would be infuriating to me)he does what supposedly the Bible instructs absolutely NOT to, in giving a grandstanding style centering on the supposed piety of the individual when true prayer and thanks should be privately done. And the whole thing about God picking sides... your victory, your team's victory.. is a team doing, not ordained by God. A God that picks winners and losers so brazenly isn't any God I want to follow... just as when a disaster strikes and it's called "an act of God". That's some twisted and depraved "God" that calls forth an earthquake, hurricane, volcano or tornado to form and destroy and displace life and property. Enforced "patriotism", dubious prayers and rituals at the most inappropriate times and places... yet some get so upset when others quietly make a point for a greater cause because otherwise the struggle against injustice would be out of sight, out of mind for far too many people? We REALLY have warped priorities.

 

[luckynumbah7]

^I figured disaster striking being called an act of god was more of a "Who knows, it's ineffable' descriptor, not so much god liking team b over team a. I'm more used to seeing people go "thank god!" when they've squeaked by something as a way of highlighting their gladness at success minus what people thought was the requisite behavior needed from them that got them there. Cuz sometimes shit just ....works out. Which isn't quite the same thing as claiming every win is cuz god adores ya. The latter strikes me as highly self-aggrandizing.