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Here is a glimpse of legal vandalism looks like

Dominus said:
This time, though, it is an entirely new level of damages. The sewer system alone will probably cost $20k to redo since it is underground under the house under the goddamn concrete foundation. The electrical will probably cost another $15k or so. Windows cost about $400-600/each. And there are 8 windows total. Doors. Walls. The entire kitchen. All the appliances.
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At what point does it become cheaper to just tear down or take apart the house and build a new one?
Or is building a new one what this amounts to anyway?
 
LoveMyPeppermill said:
At what point does it become cheaper to just tear down or take apart the house and build a new one?
Or is building a new one what this amounts to anyway?
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If youre just rebuilding the same thing...that point is generally if its structurally damaged or there is something wrong with the foundation.
but...
There is also the point where its a small/old/crappy/etc house, still perfectly livable & such, but if you demo it & jam a large house on the lot, the massive increase in value makes it worth doing.
(not an uncommon thing to happen in older neighborhoods)
 
Hey guys, update.

I met a cop there who took pictures and will write a report. The cop didn't know if this was civil or criminal. Yes, even the theft of all the appliances would still be considered civil if they were still a tenant.

The cop called his supervisor. Supervisor didn't know and referred him to someone higher. Higher guy didn't know and told him to call the prosecutor office. Prosecutor said most of it sounded like civil. The shoving concrete down the sewer pipe could be either criminal mischief or criminal vandalism. They'll have to do research on it. But in the mean time I will get a report if I decide to pursue insurance claim.

Remember I said legal vandalism?
 
LoveMyPeppermill said:
At what point does it become cheaper to just tear down or take apart the house and build a new one?
Or is building a new one what this amounts to anyway?
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A large fire or major water damage that they did not get to dry quickly (mold issues), major foundation issues, etc. I recently saw a small home (under 1700 sq ft) on Zillow that had major fire damage, and they still wanted $675k. And it has to be a cash purchase because you couldn't get financing for something like that. All the windows were broken. The exterior looked okay but the inside was a mess.

I have had a few neighbors that have had water damage from a leaking toilet, and it costs between $20-75K+ to repair. Those stainless steel connector tubes have a plastic end that attaches to the toilet. Plastic dries and can crack when it gets old. I change mine every 5 years to prevent that.
 
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Dominus said:
Hey guys, update.

I met a cop there who took pictures and will write a report. The cop didn't know if this was civil or criminal. Yes, even the theft of all the appliances would still be considered civil if they were still a tenant.

The cop called his supervisor. Supervisor didn't know and referred him to someone higher. Higher guy didn't know and told him to call the prosecutor office. Prosecutor said most of it sounded like civil. The shoving concrete down the sewer pipe could be either criminal mischief or criminal vandalism. They'll have to do research on it. But in the mean time I will get a report if I decide to pursue insurance claim.

Remember I said legal vandalism?
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I think that in Canada, this would be considered criminal, including the theft of appliances and fixtures.

And since the person wasn't paying rent, he likely lost any rights as a tenant when it comes to damaging your property.
 
Whether or not the law says it's criminal, what they did was unrestrained and criminal.

You mentioned he was fired from his job for stealing. You should vet your tenants a little better.
 
He might still be a tenant -- living in those cabinets he borrowed. Taking his show on the road.:)
 
Dominus said:
Remember I said legal vandalism?
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It doesn't matter whether he broke the criminal or civil law, there's nothing legal about what happened to your property. If you'd caused the damage to your own property yourself, then we might be talking about legal vandalism.

Dominus said:
Nah, I just got word from a friend in the PD that he just got arrested. His name will show up on the inmate roster soon. Can't wait to see it.
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Good. Let's hope they throw the book at him.
 
unloadonme said:
It doesn't matter whether he broke the criminal or civil law, there's nothing legal about what happened to your property. If you'd caused the damage to your own property yourself, then we might be talking about legal vandalism.



Good. Let's hope they throw the book at him.
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I should be clear that he got arrested for theft charges unrelated to me. I am pushing for 2 criminal charges against him, though. Felony theft and criminal mischief/vandalism. The cop writing the report said he will try his best to make it a criminal case. We will see.
 
OMG, guys have I made it if my enemy calls me "the man"? :rotflmao:

Someone sent this to me just now. Made by the guy destroyed my house.

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So, to clarify, his cousin and he bf are good tenants of mine. Been with me for 3 years. Her sister was a tenant of mine for a year before moving out of town. And his son's family of 4 also rent a house from me. Not a great tenant but at least he pays rent on time. That's how this guy came into my life to begin with. From what I've heard, he's been trying to get his family members to come with him to eviction court to testify against me. They all said no. I'm guessing he's referring to that.
 
He sounds like he is mentally unstable.

But that is no excuse. Pin the fucker to the wall.

But did he actually offer to lick your ass? That would have been worth a discount at least.
 
Dominus said:
Yes, even the theft of all the appliances would still be considered civil if they were still a tenant.
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You got him legally evicted. You said you could have the cops send a swat team to remove him if he didn't vacate by that morning -- and if a swat team could be sent to remove him, then he wouldn't count as a tenant. I would think that, legally, he ceased to be a tenant from the time the eviction order was signed. Ask your attorney to double-check that: at precisely what moment did he legally cease to be a tenant?
 
LoveMyPeppermill said:
You got him legally evicted. You said you could have the cops send a swat team to remove him if he didn't vacate by that morning -- and if a swat team could be sent to remove him, then he wouldn't count as a tenant. I would think that, legally, he ceased to be a tenant from the time the eviction order was signed. Ask your attorney to double-check that: at precisely what moment did he legally cease to be a tenant?
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This question already came up. Legally, he stopped being a tenant at the date and time the court decided he needed to be out. That was Friday (today) at 5pm. All the damages were done before then and he vacated on Thursday. Hence, the problem with pursuing a criminal case.
 
Dominus said:
This question already came up. Legally, he stopped being a tenant at the date and time the court decided he needed to be out. That was Friday (today) at 5pm. All the damages were done before then and he vacated on Thursday. Hence, the problem with pursuing a criminal case.
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C R A P .

Crap crap crap.
 
Dominus said:
This question already came up. Legally, he stopped being a tenant at the date and time the court decided he needed to be out. That was Friday (today) at 5pm. All the damages were done before then and he vacated on Thursday. Hence, the problem with pursuing a criminal case.
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The status of his tenancy is irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether he was a sitting tenant or a stranger, in neither case was there any legal right to smash your property up. A tenant can be guilty of a criminal offence.

rareboy said:
He sounds like he is mentally unstable.
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Or a genuine, strained through the sheets, gold-plated moron.
 
Violence, breakup, lost job, stealing . . . . gotta be drugs involved. Maybe booze alone, but I doubt it.
 
I still have a problem with that unfinished drywall. How did you ever get a CO with it in that condition?
 
Dominus said:
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Wouldnt it be "the man" who bends over to get his ass kissed? I suphose if you just stood their the other man would have. To bend over to kiss you're ass. Im not sure should may be check with the Laborer's International Union of Snitchess and see what they have to. say.
 
Sorry this happened. There is no doubt that criminal activity took place. The problem is in proving who did it. Being an evicted tenant might provide motive but with no eye witnesses it's a circumstantial case that the prosecutor might not want to spend time or resources on.
 
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