"High school pastor" says gays can "change" in OC

[Corny]

Corny, respectfully, for my own privacy, I will neither confirm nor deny the allegations made by others in the other posts.

Maybe. But the questions are justified due to your request to create accounts and comment, but the apparent failure to do so for yourself.

But I strongly feel that I'm doing the right thing here in this case by shedding light on this anti-gay church.

Maybe. But it is not surprising if people see it as hypocritical given your history of supporting other anti-gay personae, companies and politicians.

 

[rareboy]

Maybe. But the questions are justified due to your request to create accounts and comment, but the apparent failure to do so for yourself.



Maybe. But it is not surprising if people see it as hypocritical given your history of supporting other anti-gay personae, companies and politicians.

I have better ways to protest he actions of Compass Bible Church than to leave Facebook comments or posts on some right wing white supremacist housewife site.

Again, given that the site owners removed two very reasonable negative posts it should be clear to anyone that the site owner/editor should not be trusted with any personal information or the opinions of members here.

At worst, I can see it leading to a flood of christo-spammers and trolls on JUB who try to succeed where the OP has failed.


This begging act just reads so much like information farming and unless the OP confirms that they are indeed Gay_In_DB, there is no farther that anyone should go with this campaign.


But we know that the OP can't confirm this, because then it is proof positive that he/she has been trolling this site for months. For reasons unknown.

So no. Everything doesn't just get shoved aside because these horrible people at a church in OC is trying to scare kids straight. The larger issue here is much more important because it deals with trust and integrity.

Rock.

Hard Place.

The OP is right between both.

 

[rareboy]

^^pardon the typos in my above post. It was on the fly just before I had to leave for a meeting. I swear I wasn't drinking. At least not then.

 

[DigitalFudge]

Well this thread just got confusing as all hell.

 

[SuprSonic]

JayQueer,

You've earned it, buddy. It's time to accept your award.

 

[Just_Believe18]

Corny, respectfully, for my own privacy, I will neither confirm nor deny the allegations made by others in the other posts.

It's no secret that a lot of guys on this site don't like me. I can tell from above that at least one guy is even campaigning to get me banned.

But I strongly feel that I'm doing the right thing here in this case by shedding light on this anti-gay church.

I hope that, despite any differences we may have, we can come together on this issue.

You're damn right I'm campaigning to get you banned. As far as I'm concerned, you've basically admitted you are Gay_In_DB. As someone who specializes in recognizing written language patterns, it was very easy to pick out your writing style and compare it between the two accounts. You uniquely even put quotation marks of words within parenthesis. JayQueer is Gay_In_DB. There is no question.

Which raises the following implications:

1. The JayQueer account pretends to be a Gay, Hindu Republican conservative. The personality intentionally aggravates the gay community with homophobic comments such as: bashing West Hollywood gay JUBers, blaming HIV victims of promiscuity, insulting people who have liberal viewpoints, condescending to transsexuals, and racist remarks.

2. The Gay_In_DB account pretends to be a gay liberal who attacks Republican viewpoints. Also shares JayQueer similarities in knowledge over gay pornstars, Chik-fil-A, etc. Posting history also focuses on aggravating members of the community where its values are tailored to drive against community beliefs.

3. Therefore, the person behind both accounts has created them to troll the community. He/she has abused the use of the No-Flame zone Relationships sub-forum to post lies about their identity, family, and personal issues.

4. He/she has also misrepresented themselves politically, by inciting conflict in both the CE&P and Hot Topics forum on political issues he/she doesn't even really believe in. The Patches account is anti-Republican, whereas the JUB account is pro-Republican. He/she has a history of hijacking and locking threads to espouse political incitement impulsively.

5. The user claiming to be Indian has used said identity to make constant, racist statements towards others who are non-white while self-deprecating Indian people (there are posting records of other Indian users being annoyed by Jayqueer's behavior).

6. He/she attempted to impersonate transsexuality in a condescending manner of sexual behavior instead of gender identity.

7. The user also regularly insults effeminate gay men while glorifying a false image of heterosexual, conservative masculinity.

8. He/she also criticizes the sexual behavior of other JUB members, even going so far as putting them at fault for having HIV, whereas has claimed to have oral sex with anonymous "married straight" men.

9. The user has also used their claimed religious beliefs to insult the religious beliefs of Muslim JUB members.

So why is this user using two separate identities between Patches and JUB?

The reason is to create Avatars with personalities that conflict with the general community and gain the most attention. The individual creates an identity of a person to feed their need for attention. For example, the user cross-referenced Patches in this thread because he/she wanted to use their influence at JUB to build the clout of the Gay_In_DB avatar. One could even argue that merging a link to both communities with the idea of being caught was intentional. Right now, the user is experiencing an orgasmic high. They've been caught, and their success at fooling many members of a community for months is giving him/her an elated feeling of accomplishment. To him/her, it is the ultimate high of attention. The longer this is dragged out, the user will continue to engorge their need for attention.

If the Code of Conduct at JUB holds all members to the standards of representing themselves honestly and with integrity, then JayQueer should be banned. JayQueer is not a real person, and has violated many clauses in the Code of Conduct. At this time, we have no idea who JayQueer is. They could be male, or female. They could be of any race with a prejudiced agenda to make fun of others different than their racial, socio-economic background. The user may even be straight, with a twisted focus of using the Internet as an online platform for adult bullying. The troll doesn't need to personally attack individuals or call them names. They need only to break the cohesiveness of the community by creating an Avatar that indirectly incites some other website and hurt feelings to other members. Therefore, his/her existence is only to feed off the JUB community in a long and drawn out tenure; One, that will alienate legitimate members of this community, enflame other sub-forums, and damage the well-being of the community's self-image as a respectful and inclusive environment.

 

[JayQueer]

You're damn right I'm campaigning to get you banned.

@ Just_Believe18,

You wrote a whole essay there, and from your posts, it's evident that you have wanted me gone for a while. And now, in your "gotcha moment," you have declared that you have all the information you need to remove me from JUB.

Have I made mistakes in my life? Certainly. Am I "self-loathing"? Probably, and it likely manifested itself in some (or a lot) of my posts.

Life is a learning process, and I hope to become more comfortable with being gay. I have shared a lot of details of my personal life only to see it thrown back & forth around these forums, so I will refrain from discussing my personal life any further.

Many of the claims you wrote about me are not true. While I may have said that I didn't understand people who are transgendered, I never advocated any harm or intolerance towards them. In fact, I was sharply critical in several threads, about Dr. Ablow and his negative reactions towards Chaz Bono & other transgendered people.

I have also never said that people who get HIV are to blame. I do continue to maintain that straight people & gay people who have unsafe sex with multiple partners ARE more likely to get HIV & other sexually transmitted diseases. I will also say that lesbians have the lowest risk for HIV infection.

In the end, I can't do too much if the mods decide to ban me. But what did you accomplish? You simply banished a gay man who is struggling with accepting his sexuality. You might not understand my motives, but behind the words I write, there is a lot of pain & hurt inside.

Regardless of whether I continue to post on JUB (or not)..........I am still a young gay man and I hope to somehow come to terms with my sexuality. I am frustrated with myself. I do admit that I need to get out more from the computer, and come more into contact with other gay men & get involved in positive organizations for gay men.

As what Phaedra Parks on "Real Housewives of Atlanta" says -- "Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future."

I'm struggling in my personal life right now, but as long as I get rid of my demons, I hope that I will have brighter days ahead.

Maybe even someday I'll make you proud.

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

I was like an inch from them a few years ago. I still remember how my pastor patted my forehead and mumbling spirit tongue to ward homosexual demon out of me which I though..

I swore there was nothing possesed me ..like I was 100% sane!!

They should have used an old priest and a young priest, but they were probably busy sucking each other off in the rectory.

heh, heh....rectory...

 

[Kulindahr]

I doubt that he left any comment.

http://thesword.com/dear-mom-im-a-gay-porn-star.html#comment-17982

He's left two. One's still there, the other has disappeared.

If I can manage to log on, I've got one to leave.



It's not letting me log on -- I fill in email and password, and I get this:

There is missing information that is required. Please fill this information out above.

 

[Kulindahr]

Corny, respectfully, for my own privacy, I will neither confirm nor deny the allegations made by others in the other posts.

It's no secret that a lot of guys on this site don't like me. I can tell from above that at least one guy is even campaigning to get me banned.

But I strongly feel that I'm doing the right thing here in this case by shedding light on this anti-gay church.

As for the church thing, if nothing else you did a service in making it evident how terrified they are of truth getting posted. Of course that will only be evident to whoever caught the action, but it's something.


As far as the identity issue, if the other account actually is you, just admit it. There's nothing wrong with having different names in different sites, but hiding it when you're directing people to the other site is dishonest. When you're struggling to accept yourself, there's no benefit in alienating members of probably the best support community you're going to find.

 

[Kulindahr]

@ Just_Believe18 & JayQueer --

JB, I'm not convinced it's trolling. It certainly has the appearance of trolling, but it also has the appearance of a sort of fractured identity resulting from an inability to come to terms with one's identity. JQ, I see you as caught between two identities, wanting to cling to both but unable to resolve the issue, so on one forum you come across as a gay activist to the people in the community you know you need to be free from yet still treasure as the community which nurtured you, while in the other forum you write as a representative of that community of nurture desperately trying to build a bridge that will let you fully embrace the new community without losing the community of nurture.

JB, JQ is coming across as two people, but I doubt it's by design. I remember the two people in me -- not the same as these -- and it produced the same antithesis. I think that as someone not far beyond that, I see it, while my guess is you've resolved the issue long enough ago and have enjoyed equilibrium/peace long enough you see the dichotomy but not the dissonance.

JQ, I don't have to tell you you need to get this resolved. If I'm on target, though, I doubt you realize how continuing the act -- some might call it a 'balancing act', but a 'self-shredding act' would be more accurate -- can really mess up your head. To cut to the chase, by living as two different people, you train yourself to be that way, and the result is that when you finally resolve it... it isn't resolved, because the two pieces in a struggle have both taken on validity. The result will be misery making a whole of yourself.

So, to both of you, I don't think banning is in order. What I do think is in order is calling JQ on the contradiction, so it can't be hidden. JayQ, you need -- to be blunt here -- to have your face rubbed in this. I don't know how long you've been playing different people in different places, but it's not good for you.

 

[asu1117]

@ Just_Believe18,

You wrote a whole essay there, and from your posts, it's evident that you have wanted me gone for a while. And now, in your "gotcha moment," you have declared that you have all the information you need to remove me from JUB.

Have I made mistakes in my life? Certainly. Am I "self-loathing"? Probably, and it likely manifested itself in some (or a lot) of my posts.

Life is a learning process, and I hope to become more comfortable with being gay. I have shared a lot of details of my personal life only to see it thrown back & forth around these forums, so I will refrain from discussing my personal life any further.

Many of the claims you wrote about me are not true. While I may have said that I didn't understand people who are transgendered, I never advocated any harm or intolerance towards them. In fact, I was sharply critical in several threads, about Dr. Ablow and his negative reactions towards Chaz Bono & other transgendered people.

I have also never said that people who get HIV are to blame. I do continue to maintain that straight people & gay people who have unsafe sex with multiple partners ARE more likely to get HIV & other sexually transmitted diseases. I will also say that lesbians have the lowest risk for HIV infection.

In the end, I can't do too much if the mods decide to ban me. But what did you accomplish? You simply banished a gay man who is struggling with accepting his sexuality. You might not understand my motives, but behind the words I write, there is a lot of pain & hurt inside.

Regardless of whether I continue to post on JUB (or not)..........I am still a young gay man and I hope to somehow come to terms with my sexuality. I am frustrated with myself. I do admit that I need to get out more from the computer, and come more into contact with other gay men & get involved in positive organizations for gay men.

As what Phaedra Parks on "Real Housewives of Atlanta" says -- "Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future."

I'm struggling in my personal life right now, but as long as I get rid of my demons, I hope that I will have brighter days ahead.

Maybe even someday I'll make you proud.

If you are being honest about everything my serious recommendation is to see a Psychologist. I don't say that in a condescending manner, I think if you are to ever live a truly happy and serious life it's something that needs to happen.

 

[Kulindahr]

If you are being honest about everything my serious recommendation is to see a Psychologist. I don't say that in a condescending manner, I think if you are to ever live a truly happy and serious life it's something that needs to happen.

Yes. I still see a psychologist about "coming out issues", which include ongoing conflicts in my own head between what I was brought up indoctrinated that I was supposed to be, and the me I'd like to be now that I know who I am.

Too bad I can't send the bill to the bigots who managed to get me growing up believing sex is evil.

 

[Just_Believe18]

I disagree here. I do not find it appropriate for "JayQueer" to continue to post here. If you think he/she should continue, you need to answer these questions:

1. What do you expect "JayQueer" to do? Continue to post as an Indian Gay Republican when clearly that is something he/she is not?

2. Continue to tolerate homophobic comments about what kind of sex gay males choose to have?

3. Do you want he/she to continue to fantasize about "curry holes" and "White, masculine, Republican men in their big mansions and luxurious beds?"

Everything about the identity of "JayQueer" is a lie, except for perhaps that he/she has definitely claimed to be a gay male. However, the user has offered no apology, or any attempt at changing their behavior. In fact, the user still is feeding off this attention and is basking in the relative sympathy that is being offered.

So if "JayQueer" is not going to be banned, then I would like to know how the Administration intends to address his/her behavior. Because the status quo is not acceptable, and we're not going to move forward and wait for "JayQueer"'s next forum thread on the 2012 election, or how he/she fantasizes about having his/her "curry hole" stuffed by a "masculine, white, Republican." It's just stupid, if it's not real.

 

[ShihTzuTylenol]

I've never watched the OC so I can't really comment on what gays can do on that show, but I doubt I'd be interested in something so far fetched as that, HA! "change?" that's crap, no wonder the guy is still doing High School pastoring lol

 

[kallipolis]

There is no doubt that there is a great conflict ongoing in the life of the person who posts here as JayQueer, and that many of his claims to be who he is are highly suspect, even mendacious.

However....JayQueer has also proven himself to be a skilful operator representing minority opinions that often are in conflict with the views of the majority posting on this site. This is no bad thing for me posting here to learn from the contributions of those posters who stimulate my interest in their opinions; more especially those opinions that oppose my own political outlook, obliging me to broaden my understandings.

I would dread to believe that a minority opinion, well articulated should be denied access to this site simply because of the poster's personal conflicts with his sexual orientation.

 

[Just_Believe18]

I would dread to believe that a minority opinion, well articulated should be denied access to this site simply because of the poster's personal conflicts with his sexual orientation.

Except that his/her identity is a lie. We have other true, conservative gay posters here who are undermined by his/her stereotypical interpretations of how he/she views a gay conservative. Which is why he/she has never had support on the CE&P forum from any conservative. All of this is actually a confirmation of how everyone has always felt about "JayQueer." That he is a character, a cartoon of a false image that doesn't exist. Now that we know it's this strangely bizarre person making up stories, we can conclude there's no such person as JayQueer (only an attention seeking individual of epically sad proportions).

 

[kallipolis]

Except that his/her identity is a lie. We have other true, conservative gay posters here who are undermined by his/her stereotypical interpretations of how he/she views a gay conservative. Which is why he/she has never had support on the CE&P forum from any conservative. All of this is actually a confirmation of how everyone has always felt about "JayQueer." That he is a character, a cartoon of a false image that doesn't exist. Now that we know it's this strangely bizarre person making up stories, we can conclude there's no such person as JayQueer (only an attention seeking individual of epically sad proportions).

I am in no position to psycho-analyse any poster on this site, and will not do so.

We are aware of the inconsistencies in JayQueer's representation of his image.

I am much more focused on JayQueer's opinions that permit me to learn something worthwhile, from the perspective of a conservative living with fears that incarcerate him in a cell of his own construction.

I am rather more inclined to want to help a gay men struggling to come to terms with his sexual orientation.

The politics forum needs a variety of opposing opinions to make it attractive, for those posters such as myself who prefer to read those opinions, in order to re-assess my own political position on any given topic under discussion.

Over the years that I have been posting on this site I would hazard a guess that many posters misrepresent their true self. This does not impact on my reading of their respective opinions.

Putting matters in perspective we are posting our opinions on a discussion board, rather than deciding on matters of life, and death.

 

[rareboy]

Except that his/her identity is a lie. We have other true, conservative gay posters here who are undermined by his/her stereotypical interpretations of how he/she views a gay conservative. Which is why he/she has never had support on the CE&P forum from any conservative. All of this is actually a confirmation of how everyone has always felt about "JayQueer." That he is a character, a cartoon of a false image that doesn't exist. Now that we know it's this strangely bizarre person making up stories, we can conclude there's no such person as JayQueer (only an attention seeking individual of epically sad proportions).

^ This. and this....

I disagree here. I do not find it appropriate for "JayQueer" to continue to post here. If you think he/she should continue, you need to answer these questions:

1. What do you expect "JayQueer" to do? Continue to post as an Indian Gay Republican when clearly that is something he/she is not?

2. Continue to tolerate homophobic comments about what kind of sex gay males choose to have?

3. Do you want he/she to continue to fantasize about "curry holes" and "White, masculine, Republican men in their big mansions and luxurious beds?"

Everything about the identity of "JayQueer" is a lie, except for perhaps that he/she has definitely claimed to be a gay male. However, the user has offered no apology, or any attempt at changing their behavior. In fact, the user still is feeding off this attention and is basking in the relative sympathy that is being offered.

So if "JayQueer" is not going to be banned, then I would like to know how the Administration intends to address his/her behavior. Because the status quo is not acceptable, and we're not going to move forward and wait for "JayQueer"'s next forum thread on the 2012 election, or how he/she fantasizes about having his/her "curry hole" stuffed by a "masculine, white, Republican." It's just stupid, if it's not real.

I don't give a shit if someone wants to bother a site for bored conservative white housewives, but I do object to anyone on this site throwing pity parties for their fake avatars and doing their utmost to create havoc and disruption with stories about their fake lives and fake families that most often reinforce negative stereotypes.

We don't need actors or made up 'characters' to be articulating minority viewpoints. There are already real people, sincere in their beliefs, who do that very well on this site. And contrary to the opinion expressed by Kalli, it has not been not skilfully done. In fact, it arguably came close to destroying any effective discussion on CE&P and in thread after thread on this board, it has only appeared to be designed to set posters against each other or to create a general atmosphere of disharmony and some other website.

When I read the Gay_in_DB posts on a variety of subjects, I don't see a conflicted homosexual in any of them, so if the OP is this other avatar on that site, then I can't even buy into the backstory that they are young or particularly troubled by their sexuality.

I can't even buy into the idea that they are necessarily male.....because too many of their posts seem to read like a woman pretending to be a male homosexual would write.

But I am content here.

Jayqueer has finally effectively admitted that he/she is a fake. And that is vindication enough for me.

 

[Just_Believe18]

@kallipolis
Well, if you want to respond, reply to, and debate a simulation of a stereotyped human being, then knock yourself out. I'll focus instead on the real conservative JUB posters who are true to themselves and aren't interested in pretending to fantasize over white, Republican, masculine men who own Ford F-150s that they park in their colonial style mansions.

You deserve much more respect for your intelligence and input than JayQueer has given you, kallipolis.