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I didn't know this, if you are fat just starve often ...

https://www.livestrong.com/article/394573-does-fasting-speed-up-metabolism/

What Fasting Does to Metabolism

When you severely limit calories, your body senses this shortage of fuel and slows down its functioning to conserve energy. Instead of boosting your metabolism, you may experience a suppression of your resting metabolism equal to as much as 20 percent. Your resting metabolism is based on the energy your body uses to fuel basic functions, such as pumping blood and breathing. These activities don't stop, your body just becomes more efficient and burns fewer calories to do them than it would when adequately fed.

This is one of the reasons very low-calorie diets and fasts don't often bring about the results you'd expect. Your body is fighting what it perceives as starvation by slowing the rate at which it burns calories.

Fasting Leads to Muscle Loss

Fasting diminishes your RMR, or resting metabolic rate, because it may have a negative effect on your body composition. Your body may interpret your fast as starvation from a famine. As a result, it starts to use lean muscle for energy and holds onto fat to sustain you during this perceived starvation. Muscle demands more energy, or calories, to maintain than fat. When you lose muscle, your metabolism slows down and so does weight loss.

If you stay on a fast long enough, your body may also start to use more than just your biceps for fuel. Fewer than 800 calories a day for a long period of time can wreak havoc on the functioning of your heart muscle, warns the National Institute for Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Disorders. Your heart may be reduced in size, which subsequently leads to a slowed pulse, erratic rhythms, dangerously low blood pressure and eventual heart failure.
 
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This excerpt from a longer discussion lists side effects from prolonged fasts. Left out were the paragraphs from the same article that site studies showing positive results from short term fasting:

"...the strategy can decrease inflammation, lower the amount of lipids--or fat--in the blood...Animal studies have shown...that intermittent fasting may have a positive effect on blood sugar levels and the ability to metabolize fat, particularly visceral fat [that] increases the risk of chronic disease."

Please take a look at the following pieces:

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/fasting-benefits#section1

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/intermittent-fasting-surprising-update-2018062914156

https://www.johnshopkinshealthrevie...cles/are-there-any-proven-benefits-to-fasting
 
"Cardio exercise will make you lose weight."
"Skipping meals will put you in starvation mode and crash your metabolism."
"If you skip meals, your body will break down your muscle for food."

There's all sorts of conflicting information. Then you throw in a truly proven false statement, 'vaccines cause autism', or global warming or spiders to make your claims seem more reasonable.

you sort of skipped the details.
Your body will use the fat reserve first is it not ???
 
https://www.livestrong.com/article/394573-does-fasting-speed-up-metabolism/

What Fasting Does to Metabolism

When you severely limit calories, your body senses this shortage of fuel and slows down its functioning to conserve energy. Instead of boosting your metabolism, you may experience a suppression of your resting metabolism equal to as much as 20 percent. Your resting metabolism is based on the energy your body uses to fuel basic functions, such as pumping blood and breathing. These activities don't stop, your body just becomes more efficient and burns fewer calories to do them than it would when adequately fed.

This is one of the reasons very low-calorie diets and fasts don't often bring about the results you'd expect. Your body is fighting what it perceives as starvation by slowing the rate at which it burns calories.

Fasting Leads to Muscle Loss

Fasting diminishes your RMR, or resting metabolic rate, because it may have a negative effect on your body composition. Your body may interpret your fast as starvation from a famine. As a result, it starts to use lean muscle for energy and holds onto fat to sustain you during this perceived starvation. Muscle demands more energy, or calories, to maintain than fat. When you lose muscle, your metabolism slows down and so does weight loss.

If you stay on a fast long enough, your body may also start to use more than just your biceps for fuel. Fewer than 800 calories a day for a long period of time can wreak havoc on the functioning of your heart muscle, warns the National Institute for Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Disorders. Your heart may be reduced in size, which subsequently leads to a slowed pulse, erratic rhythms, dangerously low blood pressure and eventual heart failure.

You're talking about prolonged fasting. This is downright intellectual dishonesty because in the rest of the thread I repeatedly talked about intermittent fasting.
 
Prolonged intermittent fasting and if fasting is so fabulous it should stand up to a little scrutiny. You may not know it but there's a lot of scams and fads in the weight control industry. Thins robbing fats then gaslighting the victims for not having willpower.
 
Prolonged intermittent fasting and if fasting is so fabulous it should stand up to a little scrutiny. You may not know it but there's a lot of scams and fads in the weight control industry. Thins robbing fats then gaslighting the victims for not having willpower.

Again, I did not start intermittent fasting to lose weight. Since my teens, I'd been plagued with various health issues. Intermittent fasting has cured me of all of that. Even my lactose intolerance has gone away completely. And all it took was for me to eat one meal a day 4-5 days a week.

You can scrutinize it all you want. I welcome it. I'm just telling you it has benefited my husband (who is white) and me (who is Asian with had a lot of medical problems) tremendously. And working out during our fasted state has given us gains like no other time in the past.

Why not try it out and see what you think? :)
 
ya'll should just engage in fisticuffs already tbh

 
They're not hard to find. Type 2 diabetes, cancer, eating disorders, the production of free radicals, pancreatic problems, cardiovascular disease, damage to the DNA... just to name a few.

You're saying eating once a day gives you type 2? Can you link me to where you found that? Because eating once a day cured me of type 2. Doctor even took me off prediabetic status.
 
^ I have already told you that the information is freely available on Google. Do whatever the hell you want. You asked. I answered. I'm done.
 
^ I have already told you that the information is freely available on Google. Do whatever the hell you want. You asked. I answered. I'm done.
It's really not a good idea to send someone on a google search when you're challenging viewpoints.
The google results you get are different from the ones I get, even using the exact same search terms.
It's not for any nefarious purpose, but google reflects our biases. Ordinarily when we're searching for something we have a specific thing in mind. Google tries to take a guess at what you want to find, what you're more likely to click on. And that tends to be helpful! You get what you wanted quicker.
But when you're trying to challenge yourself google recognizes that we like stuff that aligns with our views. And so it'll aim to give you results that do just that.

And don't take my word on it, here's a Wikipedia describing the concept more in-depth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_bubble


Though to be fair. Aristo you literally haven't posted any links for other people and that's bad. I don't take any of your zombie myth claims seriously, and I want to note that this is separate from if I agree or disagree with them.
Why don't you share the sites that you started reading when you began exploring this lifestyle?
 
You're saying eating once a day gives you type 2? Can you link me to where you found that? Because eating once a day cured me of type 2. Doctor even took me off prediabetic status.

Not entirely sure, but I thought I had read that you were on Metformin, If so, has your doctor take you off of it?

and if not, what's your dosage and at what times do you take it?

just curious as I'm also having excellent results in managing my diabetes....haven't had to take a shot of *insulin since January 10th; now taking two 500mg. tabs of Met in the am, and again at early pm-ish (lunch)
January 2nd. my A1C was 5.6


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orders for insulin are now to check blood sugar before meals. If below 150, take no insulin. If above, take 3 units of Novolog..if sugar is close to 200 or above, take 4 units
 
Not entirely sure, but I thought I had read that you were on Metformin, If so, has your doctor take you off of it?

and if not, what's your dosage and at what times do you take it?

just curious as I'm also having excellent results in managing my diabetes....haven't had to take a shot of *insulin since January 10th; now taking two 500mg. tabs of Met in the am, and again at early pm-ish (lunch)
January 2nd. my A1C was 5.6


*
orders for insulin are now to check blood sugar before meals. If below 150, take no insulin. If above, take 3 units of Novolog..if sugar is close to 200 or above, take 4 units

I am off all meds. All blood test results show normal for a healthy male. This is the result of 6 months of intermittent fasting 4-5 days a week. And this is after 20 years of health problems.
 
It's really not a good idea to send someone on a google search when you're challenging viewpoints.
The google results you get are different from the ones I get, even using the exact same search terms.
It's not for any nefarious purpose, but google reflects our biases. Ordinarily when we're searching for something we have a specific thing in mind. Google tries to take a guess at what you want to find, what you're more likely to click on. And that tends to be helpful! You get what you wanted quicker.
But when you're trying to challenge yourself google recognizes that we like stuff that aligns with our views. And so it'll aim to give you results that do just that.

And don't take my word on it, here's a Wikipedia describing the concept more in-depth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_bubble


Though to be fair. Aristo you literally haven't posted any links for other people and that's bad. I don't take any of your zombie myth claims seriously, and I want to note that this is separate from if I agree or disagree with them.
Why don't you share the sites that you started reading when you began exploring this lifestyle?

I'm currently in Cancun on vacation. Hardnto find links and stuff on my phone.
 
I'm currently in Cancun on vacation. Hardnto find links and stuff on my phone.
I suppose? Research comes very naturally to me so the platform I do it on isn't an issue. Though I can see why it's easier answer something off the cuff and thus give more time for you and your spouse.

I'm definitely interested in seeing what ya pull up when ya get the time!
 
^ "Viewpoints" being the key word. Not "Werewolf Myths and Reality". Your own certainty of a "viewpoint" does not make it fact, although others tend to follow people who act certain.
 
I'm just sick and tired of apartheid culture where the top 1% of body narcissists dictate their "moral" superiority to 70% of fat people. Poisoning our minds with an anorexic pop-culture... marketed from birth and enforced by self-shame. Not to mention the segregationists who want to separate fat and thin people.

Then there are carnival barkers who try to exploit shame and make money for themselves from the whole situation. This can happen because nobody knows what the hell is going on when it comes to weight.

The logical thing to do provide overweight people with tax credits and free club memberships by taxing thin people.
 
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