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If you ever say you are "straight acting" that is a copout

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Re: If you ever say you are "straight acting" that is a copout

xbuzzerx said:
I'll tell you why I find discussions with you pointless. You present your point of view as some form of universal truth without exception, and with no regard for other points of view. This statement applies to no one else in the thread. Exchanges with you feel like a one sided conversation of listening to you explain how it is for everyone regardless of whether they think that's the case or not.
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Oh, well, that's an interesting side-bar. I'm not sure you were there in CE&P the day a combination of good points by JockBoy and Christopher Hitchens persuaded me to change my mind about Hamas during that period where Israel was intervening in what were ostensibly shipments of humanitarian aid originating in Turkey. Jockboy didn't do it by some combination of relativism and saying "all our opinions are equally loveable." He did it by presenting arguments that were more solid than mine, and which gave a better account of the facts on the ground, and which addressed my objections to his earlier formulations of his position.

I'm sorry if you find my opinions unusually seamless. In reflecting on your post, what I am perhaps even more certain of than in most positions I take, is that you underestimate the degree to which you hold your own paradigms to be universal.
 
Rolyo85 said:
Be more vague. NYC area includes a tenth of the country's population, spread in multitudes of very different communities.
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I lived in NYC for the last 8 years. Almost every single gay I know (and I don't know any closet gays) has and uses grindr.
 
A friend of mine could turn it on or off at the blink of an eye. In public, he would be as straight as can be. In private company, he could make Liberace look like Schwarzenegger. When I met him in the late 70s, I didn't know he was gay.

So. Was he acting gay or acting straight?
 
gsdx said:
A friend of mine could turn it on or off at the blink of an eye. In public, he would be as straight as can be. In private company, he could make Liberace look like Schwarzenegger. When I met him in the late 70s, I didn't know he was gay.

So. Was he acting gay or acting straight?
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He's a straight acting gay actor acting gay and not gay.

They are the enemy.
 
Re: If you ever say you are "straight acting" that is a copout

bankside said:
Oh, well, that's an interesting side-bar. I'm not sure you were there in CE&P the day a combination of good points by JockBoy and Christopher Hitchens persuaded me to change my mind about Hamas during that period where Israel was intervening in what were ostensibly shipments of humanitarian aid originating in Turkey. Jockboy didn't do it by some combination of relativism and saying "all our opinions are equally loveable." He did it by presenting arguments that were more solid than mine, and which gave a better account of the facts on the ground, and which addressed my objections to his earlier formulations of his position.

I'm sorry if you find my opinions unusually seamless. In reflecting on your post, what I am perhaps even more certain of than in most positions I take, is that you underestimate the degree to which you hold your own paradigms to be universal.
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The assumptions people instantly leap to about choices of words, particularly when the speaker has said that these assumptions are not correct, is not a matter of presenting objective facts or hard evidence and coming to the most reasonable conclusion. It's simply a matter of you believe someone is saying what they mean, or you believe they are lying.

Sorry Bankside, I'm unable to put my thoughts into a hard digital form for verification of their veracity for you.

By the way, since words have inalienable meanings regardless of what people think they mean when they say them, of what country do gay men who call themselves queens reign over?
 
Rolyo85 said:
Seriously, Kulindahr?
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Shrug, the question was serious.

If you and Bankside want to assert there's only one possible interpretation and the meaning of words used is explicit and fixed, you can't apply it selectively as convenient.
 
mitchymo said:
Oh come on, there is clearly a distinction there. That's guys calling others, not guys calling themselves.
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You are yet to refute my claim that you ARE calling me things by describing yourself as SA. In fact, you're yet to refute ANYTHING I've said. Your only response to me so far has been stomping your foot down and accusing me of making it up, with some assorted cries that you're being oppressed and that you didn't vote for me.
 
xbuzzerx said:
Shrug, the question was serious.

If you and Bankside want to assert there's only one possible interpretation and the meaning of words used is explicit and fixed, you can't apply it selectively as convenient.
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Actually we can, because that's how language works. Some TERMS (notice - not simply words but terms) are more flexible than others, this is simply a fact. Furthermore, nobody is saying SA doesn't mean what Mitch says it does. We are claiming it has a lot of ADDITIONAL meaning attached to it, and you can't just unattach it by claiming you "don't mean it like that."
 
Rolyo85 said:
Actually we can, because that's how language works. Some TERMS (notice - not simply words but terms) are more flexible than others, this is simply a fact. Furthermore, nobody is saying SA doesn't mean what Mitch says it does. We are claiming it has a lot of ADDITIONAL meaning attached to it, and you can't just unattach it by claiming you "don't mean it like that."
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And who gets to decide this, and which ones they are?
 
mitchymo said:
I didn't say you are the only one with the problem. I have not ignored your explanations, i just don't think you are right to be as judgemental as you are being and failing to listen to the opposing view. Frankly, its a huge deal being made about something which doesn't need to be.
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Words are important. If people are getting upset, them clearly it matters to them. And I have not really failed to listen to your opposing view, it's just that your opposing view is ignoring arguments instead of arguing with them. I say "there's baggage because..." And you say "there isn't, you're making it up." That's not acknowledging my point of view, that's dismissing it. Meanwhile, you're yet to present arguments for yours, besides "I am too lazy to type an extra syllable".
 
This thread has hereby lost its interest. I'm going to head up to the mountain casino to see a rock concert. Which may or may not be straight-acting or gay-acting. Or offensive. Or interesting.

Lex
 
mitchymo said:
What a load of cock-a-maimy babble!! No offence but talk straight.

But why should the SA guy have to deny himself an identity when femme guys get a free pas to label the entire community?
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When someone labels themselves or anyone else...it speaks only about them...and people's opinions on those labels and their usage are subjective so whatever it is you are trying to say about yourself or others may backfire or might give the other person an opinion of you opposite of what you intended.

I don't care what you label yourself but in my opinion if you are gay...any action you take or any behavior you exhibit is "gay acting"...because you are gay. If I wanted to support stereotypes I might see things differently...but I choose not to.
 
Rolyo85 said:
Common usage, scholarship, any number of factors, including discussions like this one. Sorry to disappoint, if you expected me to say "me" or "the supreme gay tribunal" ;)
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The use of the slang words "queen" and "straight-acting" within the context of this thread are slang. They're not fixed words with one meaning assigned by a higher scholarly power.

It was a poor attempt by Bankside to turn this into an objective argument when this is entirely about subjective perceptions.
 
G-Lexington said:
This thread has hereby lost its interest. I'm going to head up to the mountain casino to see a rock concert. Which may or may not be straight-acting or gay-acting. Or offensive. Or interesting.

Lex
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Wrong. Rock out.

Cock out optional. Unless you're seeing Limp Wrist - then it's mandatory.
 
xbuzzerx said:
The use of the slang words "queen" and "straight-acting" within the context of this thread are slang. They're not fixed words with one meaning assigned by a higher scholarly power.

It was a poor attempt by Bankside to turn this into an objective argument when this is entirely about subjective perceptions.
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I don't see why anyone should be bound by your conception of language or the meaning of words when you assert your own perspective to be subjective. You are standing on a patch of quicksand of your own making. Oh well.
 
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