If you ever say you are "straight acting" that is a copout

[aaggii]

Do you guys realize that it´s an expression, and like most expression it´s not meant to be taken literally. We all know what straight acting means. Well, some of us do. How is telling someone not to describe themselves as straight-acting different than telling someone not to describe themselves as flamboyant or feminine? So stop this crap with ¨how straight are you if you suck a dick?¨ Straight and straight acting are 2 different things, even if they use the same word.

 

[refujiunderground]

Masculine and straight-acting are two different things. Women can act masculine, but we wouldn't call it straight acting. A lot of straight people don't even really relate to what society deems as masculine.

really? how are they different?

 

[Rolyo85]

Do you guys realize that it´s an expression, and like most expression it´s not meant to be taken literally. We all know what straight acting means. Well, some of us do. How is telling someone not to describe themselves as straight-acting different than telling someone not to describe themselves as flamboyant or feminine? So stop this crap with ¨how straight are you if you suck a dick?¨ Straight and straight acting are 2 different things, even if they use the same word.

Another drive by shooter who didn't bother to read the thread between his last and his current post...

 

[youfiad]

I think I was shockingly clear, in that I was decimating your rather high percentage of a term that "can have" more than one meaning.

But now that you're saying that people that don't see the term in the way that you have deemed "correct" as sadly pathetic, I'll just note that i'm no longer crossing intellectual swords.

And I say that, not in being "hostile" as is being accused for daring to counter a thought, but in stating that some things can be different to different people, AND have merit behind it.

I'm not part of the group of people going around deeming others' words as incorrect because I don't understand it. If I don't agree with the usage of a word, I simply move on. I don't sit around bitching about a word that I don't like.

As far as me "deeming it correct", I never said that. What I did say as their is a sort of consistency in the usage of the term.

 

[aaggii]

Another drive by shooter who didn't bother to read the thread between his last and his current post...

I actually did and it felt like what I said needed to be said. Again.

 

[Rolyo85]

Re: If you ever say you are "straight acting" that is a copout

It's been addressed already. If you believed the arguments to be lacking, you could have challenged them instead of just repeating the initial statement they were responding to.

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I'm not part of the group of people going around deeming others' words as incorrect because I don't understand it. If I don't agree with the usage of a word, I simply move on. I don't sit around bitching about a word that I don't like.

As far as me "deeming it correct", I never said that. What I did say as their is a sort of consistency in the usage of the term.

If you'd read the topic instead of embarrassing yourself, you'd have known WHY people have a problem with this term and not in a "if you don't like it, don't use it kind of way". Alas, you didn't.

 

[youfiad]

Do you guys realize that it´s an expression, and like most expression it´s not meant to be taken literally. We all know what straight acting means. Well, some of us do. How is telling someone not to describe themselves as straight-acting different than telling someone not to describe themselves as flamboyant or feminine? So stop this crap with ¨how straight are you if you suck a dick?¨ Straight and straight acting are 2 different things, even if they use the same word.

I've tried that approach on previous "Omg straight-acting makes no sense" threads. It doesn't work.

 

[Rolyo85]

I've tried that approach on previous "Omg straight-acting makes no sense" threads. It doesn't work.

What happened - they had actual responses to it?

 

[youfiad]

Re: If you ever say you are "straight acting" that is a copout

It's been addressed already. If you believed the arguments to be lacking, you could have challenged them instead of just repeating the initial statement they were responding to.

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If you'd read the topic instead of embarrassing yourself, you'd have known WHY people have a problem with this term and not in a "if you don't like it, don't use it kind of way". Alas, you didn't.

Embarrassing myself? I don't feel embarrassed. I actually feel sympathy for those who don't understand basic communication or linguistics.

I understand why people have a problem with the word. I just think they're crazy and whinny little babies looking for something to complain about. That's all.

Embarrassing myself? Laughable.

Anyways, I'm going to bed. This straight-acting gay guy has been in the middle of far too much drama for his straight-acting self. People are going to start asking questions soon.

 

[aaggii]

What happened - they had actual responses to it?

As bad as they were, they were better than yours. Keep a conversation up and lose the know-it-all sarcasm.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Do you guys realize that it´s an expression, and like most expression it´s not meant to be taken literally. We all know what straight acting means. Well, some of us do. How is telling someone not to describe themselves as straight-acting different than telling someone not to describe themselves as flamboyant or feminine? So stop this crap with ¨how straight are you if you suck a dick?¨ Straight and straight acting are 2 different things, even if they use the same word.

The implication of straight acting is the opposite of femininity, but in some eyes adds to it the added nuance of not "appearing" gay at all, or being separate from so-called "gay" behavior, or passing for straight(which is why people say crap like "how straight are you if you suck a dick), or a number of other things, whereas masculine says the exact same thing without the implied slight, or in some instances, insult.

I think that's what we call a term that means more than one thing. Complex, that.

This stated, I am going to do something important... like eat ice cream or brush my hair.

 

[aaggii]

The implication of straight acting is the opposite of femininity, but in some eyes adds to it the added nuance of not "appearing" gay at all, or being separate from so-called "gay" behavior, or passing for straight(which is why people say crap like "how straight are you if you suck a dick), or a number of other things, whereas masculine says the exact same thing without the implied slight, or in some instances, insult.

I think that's what we call a term that means more than one thing. Complex, that.

This stated, I am going to do something important... like eat ice cream or brush my hair.

This applies to those obsessed with not being perceived as gay, which for me is not straight-acting, but gay shame or internalized homophobia, you name it. This has a psychological base attached and the solution is not ¨stop doing it¨. But we are talking about straight-acting. There are not rules about it, just characteristics that some share: not dropping your pants when lady gaga comes on, being into fooball, drinking beer and not apple martinis.. you already know it. It doesn´t mean that all straight people are like this, of course. It´s not doing it to prove something to someone, it´s doing it because that´s you. For the 10th time: it doesn´t put down anyone else claiming that you are straight-acting.

 

[Rolyo85]

As bad as they were, they were better than yours. Keep a conversation up and lose the know-it-all sarcasm.

I am sorry, but after ignoring all that text, sarcasm is all you get. If you want more, address what I've written throughout the topic. Then you'll get a serious response, I've already shown I am willing to engage in discussing this.

 

[Rolyo85]

Re: If you ever say you are "straight acting" that is a copout

Embarrassing myself? I don't feel embarrassed. I actually feel sympathy for those who don't understand basic communication or linguistics.

I understand why people have a problem with the word. I just think they're crazy and whinny little babies looking for something to complain about. That's all.

Embarrassing myself? Laughable.

Anyways, I'm going to bed. This straight-acting gay guy has been in the middle of far too much drama for his straight-acting self. People are going to start asking questions soon.

Lol:

*drops into topic*

*ignores everything and says something dumb that's 6 pages outdated*

*gets trolled*

*accuses everyone of drama and storms out*

 

[aaggii]

I am sorry, but after ignoring all that text, sarcasm is all you get. If you want more, address what I've written throughout the topic. Then you'll get a serious response, I've already shown I am willing to engage in discussing this.

After ignoring what? I´ve read the full 6 pages, this subject is interesting and in spite of all of us here having different opinions about a subject, I enjoy a good conversation and I enjoy reading the arguments of each team here. I know I might be wrong about different things, this is why I´m open to discuss, but your sarcasm seems to be a defensive response for everybody you don´t agree with. Don´t mock the users, be respectful or don´t say anything at all.

 

[Sausy]

Damn, after all this I need a good, stiff drink... pardon the pun. And I don't EVER drink.

I don't like nor use the term, straight "acting". I prefer masculine, feminine... even then most gay men are some combination, not predominantly either. Yet I'm not going to get all huffy trying to lord it over those who have one particular view or another. I come here to try to have some fun with others like me or those supportive of us. There are so many things that have worked against us in society for so long, yet we get a lot of disharmony and intellectual snobbery for those who would rather be obstinate than really want to be a community. And yes, we're all different... we're not going to all like the same things, act the same way nor should we. But c'mon, to agree to disagree is one thing, but fuck... enough is enough, you don't have to ALWAYS get in the last word or lord it over everyone with a sense of snarky superiority. And for the record, this will be my only comment on this thread.

 

[Rolyo85]

After ignoring what? I´ve read the full 6 pages, this subject is interesting and in spite of all of us here having different opinions about a subject, I enjoy a good conversation and I enjoy reading the arguments of each team here. I know I might be wrong about different things, this is why I´m open to discuss, but your sarcasm seems to be a defensive response for everybody you don´t agree with. Don´t mock the users, be respectful or don´t say anything at all.

You are wrong. It's not a defensive response, it's a sign of exasperation. I wasted a LOT of time to write those posts, to try and articulate what I mean, to make my points clear and compelling. And in response, 6 pages later, I get the ABSOLUTE EXACT comments I began answering to (not just from you, but from others too), as if I haven't written anything. And it's not simply a matter of disagreement, that's ok, but it seems as if nobody even bothered to read my posts at all, because none of the responses actually address any of my points.

So no, it's not defensive. It's frustrated.

 

[aaggii]

6 pages filled with arguments, pro and against your view. People responded to your points, even if they didn´t quote you. You need to read again this thread. I will.

 

[Rolyo85]

6 pages filled with arguments, pro and against your view. People responded to your points, even if they didn´t quote you. You need to read again this thread. I will.

The main points really never did get addressed. Like the existence of homophobic baggage attached to the term. Other than Mitch's "no, it's not true!", there has been no real response to this.

 

[blackbeltninja]

whereas masculine says the exact same thing without the implied slight, or in some instances, insult.

The problem with this is that as soon as someone says they aren't into feminine guys - presumably if masculine is okay to use and is easily understood, so is feminine - we have exactly the same shitstorm over the term and the divisions it causes here in the village.

So where does this leave us?

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