You Rolyo, are flat-out the biggest hypocrite i have ever encountered on JUB. Not only are you a hypocrite, but you're a petulant one. You're an ignorant one. And you're a pretentious one too.
I think the only response I can give that would do this justice and be in the right age group, would be "your mom"? Hope that covers it.
You claim that you're here, open for a discussion, and that it's other people failing to listen to you. Yet you're entry into this thread was not one of someone giving an amiable opinion, it was the harshest rhetoric towards other members of the gay community, describing how you loathe them. Since you are not new to JUB, and this topic aint a new one either, you would have known full well that such rhetoric would have caused a grievance.
Being open for a discussion doesn't equate being friendly and pretending all opinions are equal. Yours for example, so far has been completely undefended and - to use your terms - ignorant. I am open to hearing an actual argument from your side, but that doesn't mean I expect you actually have one. Because, of course, you don't. And my initial post was meant to stir the pot, I am not gonna deny that. Which clearly it did, as we are now on page 8 and still having fun. You're welcome ^_^
When straight-acting guys like myself have entered the thread to give our voice to the debate, you do nothing but dismiss how we feel, in favour of prioritizing what you deem to be the gay concensus about the usage of the term. Essentially you have no concern about how 'other' gay men feel. Your way is the right way and you're closed-minded about how anybody else happens to feel. It doesn't even stop you to think that in this thread of about how many unique posters? 30? 40?, that at least 10% of those self identify as straight-acting. But it doesn't matter to you, because like always, you know best, but then that's how most militant types are.
You're really not very straight-acting with these tantrums. You're pretty damn gay-acting, actually. There, I used your own terminology. That's validation, right?
Now seriously. You have - since your very first post here - tried to make this about censorship, about people telling you how to feel and what to do, and I get it, I really do. It's so much easier to be a victim, to have people unjustly meddle in your life, telling you who you are, how you should feel... Except... nobody here did that. I don't give a fuck how ultra masculine you feel, how much you hate gay bars, how feminine guys disgust you, or how you're not "at all into gay politics" or whatever other self-affirming identity qualities you are implying when you call yourself "straight-acting". I promise, I really
really could not care ANY less about any of that. From the very beginning this argument has been EXCLUSIVELY about the term you have chosen to describe them.
The term SA is problematic. You can whine all you want about how it shouldn't be, how it's "our" fault ("us" being presumably queeny femmy pretentious activist scene gays) that it is, etc., but point stands - it IS problematic. Even buzzer who was sorta on your side, agreed that it is and stopped supporting you.
But frankly, and speaking of hypocrisy - my biggest problem with YOU specifically, is that you are militant about it. About a term you couldn't care less about. Because somewhere in the past, somebody pointed out how offensive it is, and maybe they did it in a judgy rude way, like I did here, and your initial reaction was embarrassment for not having thought about it, followed - sadly - immediately by indignation of the "how dare they be accusing when I'd never thought about it!" type, which resulted in a knee-jerk dedication to defending the term because "how dare they!" is always the best motivation to do the opposite of what "they" say. You do NOT have any argumentation to defend this choice. You yourself made a total joke out of your defense when you basically boiled it down to "well, it's a couple of syllables shorter than the other phrase I could use". Seriously, guy? A term with such problems and your defense for using it is that you're too lazy to type two extra syllables? And then you wonder why people don't respect your position?
Its not SA guys picking a fight here, its the likes of you who insist on imposing your own belief. You WANT SA guys to think like you do, because that validates your god complex, and god help anyone who pipes up to say "well actually, this is how I see things". You're not prepared to just accept or even tolerate, truly ironic, and this is proven by a comment you made in this last post to me, where you refer to this debate as an ARGUMENT. That's what drives you, you love being able to ankle-bite at posters that differ in opinion with. Half the reason i don't bother to respond to you in other threads.
Whine whine whine. I'm sorry, I tune "you just want to force everyone to agree!" rants out, they make my dick soft. Seriously? I want everyone to think like me? No shit! And why are YOU arguing on the internet - because you value opposing views and you want to grow as a person during a meaningful debate? Rrrrrrright.
Of course it is not SA guys picking a fight. They haven't thought about it, they don't care, and really - using this term shows how little they
know about the history and psychology of the minority they so eagerly try to distance themselves from. Well, excuse the SHIT out of me if other members of that same minority feel you're just holding self-acceptance among gay people back and actually have the temerity to speak up. And it's a big big BIG BIG BIG fight, really - a random shitty term you use to get dick online. It makes such a HUGE difference in your life that it's totally worth the propagation of negative stereotypes.
You decry vehemently the use of the term SA as being wrong because it propogates a harmful stereotype that straight = masculine, completely ignoring that A) in GENERAL, that's simple truth, that B), you want me to prove how i'm NOT harming you by using the term instead of YOU, who is arguing against it, explaining at all how it actually does cause you any harm, other than it leaves a bitter thought in your mind about potential interpretation, which by the way is very variable as this thread shows, and C), that you complain against negative stereotyping ONLY when it suits you to do so. I've mentioned this before i know, but its worth repeating because it proves you're a hypocrite. You quite happily in numerous threads before now, referred to heterosexuals as breeders. That's hardly propagating a positive stereotype now is it? Yet that's ok to you.
What's "propogate"?
And so we come to the real rub - that you actually DO believe straight men are more masculine than gays. And then you will come and claim you aren't internalized homophobic? Oh, sorry, not liking your own group of human beings and finding them inferior to the one you can never be part of is not at all self-hating. It's just... um... yeah. That.
I did explain how it causes harm. To me directly - not so much. I live in a community that doesn't eat its own. But propagating the general stereotype you just directly stated, is harmful to the community as a whole, of which I am part. SO, indirectly - yes, you harm me, by promoting self-hatred within the gay community. It's a simple concept and I've repeated it multiple times here. Please refrain from claiming I haven't. It's annoying.
As for the term "breeder", it is a joke. Not a SINGLE straight person I have EVER encountered, has been offended by it. Most didn't even know it existed. That's how little the majority cares about the slurs minorities might use against them. Not to mention this one is rarely ever serious. It's always indignant homos that get offended on behalf of straight people when they here the word "breeder". But yeah, I am totally shamed by your fake indignation. And let's ignore how much of a NO impact it has on any community anywhere. What matters is that I am a hypocrite. Sigh.
And consistently you seek to undermine other gay men by justifying femme traits and behaviours on one hand, whilst dissmissing any counter-culture as being a problem to the other. Its a problem because you CHOOSE it to be, not because it actually is. It doesn't matter how many SA guys stand up in this thread and try to explain how the terminology feels right for THEM, for ME, and why you shouldn't be so virulently against not just the term, but the guys who have adopted it (loathe them you said), because it doesn't mean or represent to us what you say it does, nor does it affect you in any way that you can factually prove. Its not SA guys propogating homophobia, its YOU.
Enough said as far as i'm concerned. I'm straight-acting. You don't like it, we get it. What else is there.
Yeah, that last one really didn't work very well for you, did it? :/ Me, the homophobe. It doesn't quite gel... Sorry, better luck next time.
Same old 'my claptrap' is more applicable than yours so i won't listen and in fact insult you and babble on like a child, resorting to pathetic actions such as pointing out spelling errors....tedious rolyo, tedious.
