Op-Ed Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

[Kulindahr]

Or trigger happy...

Which makes them scarier.

Kinda like a guy out hunting who forgets where his shotgun is pointing and shoots a fellow hunter.

 

[CTorontoC]

well everyone who actually follow foreign policy awwm ro agree that Iran wanted this deal because the public there wants them to do something about the sanctions, and voted in a new leader mainly on that issue.

the idea that republicans are somehow better for foreign diplomacy (or anything) is pretty laughable. Obama is leagues better than Bush was.

It is a fallacy to believe there is a new government in Iran. The 8 (I think that was the number) candidates who ran in their 'elections' all had to be given the blessing of the real leaders of Iran the SUPREME leader who vastly outranks their president. Policy will not change substantially, because they won't allow it. The regime still engages in its standard duplicity, saying one thing in English to the world, and another in Farsi. They still demonize Israel and vow its destruction and the West is still the enemy.

The new president is just a shiny facade they've placed over their evil regime. They are not pursuing nuclear power, they are pursuing nuclear weapons as they always have. They're trying to even the balance of power with their arch nemesis Israel. It is still illegal to be gay in Iran, or to disagree with the government in any way and it's punishable by death. When the sanctions went in, they diverted money from their populace, depriving them of food and other basic necessities to continue pushing forward with their 'peaceful nuclear program.'

Regular Iranians don't even support this deal, though some do. Many feel sanctions SHOULD have continued despite their awful effects because at least then, there was SOME hope the regime might collapse, SOME hope that the country might be able to transform itself as it tried to do last time Ahmedinjad was 'elected.' This is still an unstable country run by nutters. Obama wants to look like he accomplished something meaningful in his time as president. After all Obamacare didn't work out as expected (whatever the reason) and he has essentially ignored the massacre of 100,000 Syrians after some tough talk earlier this year. He was looking for a way to pat himself on the back and rapprochement with Iran seemed like a good bet. Those who blindly follow Obama regardless of his ineptitude will sing his praises and the republicans hate him anyways so he had little to lose.

The Iranians saw an easy mark and they took advantage of him. Obama clearly lacks the spine to continue Americas tradition of trying to do the right thing and he may have just made the largest political blunder since the Vietnam war. The 8 billion dollars Iran now has at its disposal will undoubtedly be used to lessen the plight of the Iranian people to some extent but if history is any indication, the vast majority of those funds will be directed towards their military program, terrorist organizations, the Syrian massacre and their 'peaceful nuclear program'

Frankly, I don't understand how 'world leaders' can be so patently naive. I don't propose to have an answer to the standoff but I do believe this is a step backwards. More sanctions for longer might have eventually inspired the Iranian people to rise up again as they did a few years ago or it may not have. I don't think bombing Iran into the stone age would be the solution either as it would likely cause collateral damage that would further incense the Muslim world (then again cartoons and a wacko pastor in the south incense them to violence so .... ) Maybe all those aircraft carriers and missile boats and all the advanced American armaments could have been used to bomb their nuclear program at least.. that was probably the best idea but the damn bleeding hearts in the U.S. would have cried foul and the Democrats rely on those bleeding hearts for votes. Obama was already in it pretty deep with them for his drone assassinations and other militaristic (read: American) practices.

Iran is not a friendly, nice country. Things don't run there in a way any North American or European would recognize but most people don't know anything about Iran except whatever their shepherds tell them to believe. I know assassinations of political leaders quietly became faux pas many years ago but in the case of Iran, wiping out the clerical order might have been a good idea too *shrug*. I personally feel religion in general has no place in the modern world, let alone theocracies but that's just me.

Maybe the new pope can solve all this, he seems like a pretty smart guy.

 

[kallipolis]

^Transparently your "understandings" are not shared by the governments of The United States, The United Kingdom, France, Germany et al whose intelligence services are rather better informed on life in Iran.....

 

[kallipolis]

well everyone who actually follow foreign policy awwm ro agree that Iran wanted this deal because the public there wants them to do something about the sanctions, and voted in a new leader mainly on that issue.

the idea that republicans are somehow better for foreign diplomacy (or anything) is pretty laughable. Obama is leagues better than Bush was.

Correct......

 

[CTorontoC]

^Transparently your "understandings" are not shared by the governments of The United States, The United Kingdom, France, Germany et al whose intelligence services are rather better informed on life in Iran.....

If they based their assessments on the intelligence community, the stance of the country wouldn't change when the governing party did. Also, it is naive to think the decisions of the aforementioned governments are based on logic and fact alone. Politics are far more complicated than that. My understanding of Iran comes from Iranians I've spoken to or read about and research I've done in 10 years of academic political science. Your assumptions are baseless and I'm not even sure what you are referring to by "life in Iran." The only intelligence services member I've heard speak openly on this issue anyways it's the former cia chief and he wasn't happy with the deal.

The supreme leaders of the country haven't changed, therefore it it's highly unlikely that their policy overall has. I'm glad you have such faith in the governments of the world. The same governments that are doing such a bang up job on everything... global warming, poverty, famine, war all of these things have been eliminated by the infallible governments of Europe and the United States... *giggle*

 

[kallipolis]

^I am well aware that the more hawkish apologists of Israel are very concerned that their traditional allies are assuming a much more engaging policy with Iran....a policy that I believe will lessen tensions throughout the Middle East....meantime, your personal opinion is noted.

 

[Jack Springer]

you right wingers are so unbelievably dumb

its thanks to obama that sanctions have worked for the first time, basically, ever. and its thanks to them that we might actually get a concrete peace deal and avoid having to go to war again.

... a concrete peace deal is based on what? A fake agreement that does nothing to curtail Iran's move into a nuclear war power?

Once Iran has the bomb .. so will at least Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Kerry, the french speaking SOS, has nothing -- no concessions or promises. We gave them their money back and stopped the sanctions. Sanctions will never be put in place again.

The US and it's allies were fools for trusting Iran. Only time will tell.

Left wingers are so unbelievably dumb.

 

[kallipolis]

^The same "thinking" encouraged the United States into a war in Vietnam based on the so called domino theory....

Even the more balanced security, and military analysts in Israel understand that engagement with Iran will help cool down the region's violence....where Iran's fingers are actively involved in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan....it's much, much more than restraining Iran's development of nuclear weapons....it's a matter of geo-political common sense that Iran is part of the solution to the destablisation of the Middle East...with the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Germany and others recognising that sanctions imposed on Iran is merely pouring fuel on the furnace....and adding to the misery of the peoples of the Middle East.

 

[Jack Springer]

^The same "thinking" encouraged the United States into a war in Vietnam based on the so called domino theory....

Even the more balanced security, and military analysts in Israel understand that engagement with Iran will help cool down the region's violence....where Iran's fingers are actively involved in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan....it's much, much more than restraining Iran's development of nuclear weapons....it's a matter of geo-political common sense that Iran is part of the solution to the destablisation of the Middle East...with the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Germany and others recognising that sanctions imposed on Iran is merely pouring fuel on the furnace....and adding to the misery of the peoples of the Middle East.

Do you honestly think that Iran is serious and has changed their thinking about the west? I'd like you to show me some proof.

 

[kallipolis]

Do you honestly think that Iran is serious and has changed their thinking about the west? I'd like you to show me some proof.

Yes.....the proof is available to those nations that have chosen to engage with Iran...including your own....I do not work for the CIA, or MI6 therefore cannot provide you with the quality of intelligence that you are demanding.

 

[T-Rexx]

... a concrete peace deal is based on what? A fake agreement that does nothing to curtail Iran's move into a nuclear war power?

Once Iran has the bomb .. so will at least Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Kerry, the french speaking SOS, has nothing -- no concessions or promises. We gave them their money back and stopped the sanctions. Sanctions will never be put in place again.

The US and it's allies were fools for trusting Iran. Only time will tell.

Left wingers are so unbelievably dumb.

Obviously, you don't like peace with Iran.

So, what do you propose? Starting a war with Iran?

Do you Republicans have a solution to any problem that doesn't involve killing people?

 

[Jack Springer]

Obviously, you don't like peace with Iran.

So, what do you propose? Starting a war with Iran?

Do you Republicans have a solution to any problem that doesn't involve killing people?

Why did you go to the extreme? In no way did I say I wanted to go to war with Iran.

If you read what I wrote, I was asking what 'the agreement' did for the west .. it does a lot for Iran .. but I don't see anything he does for us.

Possibly you can answer that.

Don't worry, liberals and democrats have won the war on causing the most deaths -- almost 60 million babies have died during the last 60 years in the USA of liberal and democrat ideology.

 

[Jack Springer]

Yes.....the proof is available to those nations that have chosen to engage with Iran...including your own....I do not work for the CIA, or MI6 therefore cannot provide you with the quality of intelligence that you are demanding.

So you follow blindly.

 

[Alnitak]

In your opinion, what is the best way to prevent Iran from getting a bomb from here, methods which Israel and the US have not tried.

No takers?

 

[rareboy]

I think that the way to approach it is to bring Iran back into the community of civilized nations and in the same way as the rapprochement with the USSR and China finally brought about significant relaxation of hostile intentions and in the case of the former, helped undercut the entire regime....so bringing Iran into the discussion on an intensive basis will effectively destroy the stranglehold that the Revolutionary Guard and the Ayatollahs have on the people of Iran.

 

[Benvolio]

The most severe sanctions possible, quickly imposed were the only chance we had without war. Gradually applying sanctions allowed Obama to make many speeches, while allowing Iran to adjust,mandate now letting up the pressure was designed to fail. Meanwhlie Iran had several years to beef up its military with purchases from Russia, No Korea and China, while dispersing its nuclear facilities and putting them under ground. It is probably no longer feasible to use military force and Iran will get the bomb. I do not believe Obama ever intended to prevent it. Nothing on his Teleprompter told him to get serious.

 

[naglfarii]

... a concrete peace deal is based on what? A fake agreement that does nothing to curtail Iran's move into a nuclear war power?

Once Iran has the bomb .. so will at least Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Kerry, the french speaking SOS, has nothing -- no concessions or promises. We gave them their money back and stopped the sanctions. Sanctions will never be put in place again.

The US and it's allies were fools for trusting Iran. Only time will tell.

Left wingers are so unbelievably dumb.

I don't think you know a single thing about this deal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...deal-what-are-the-terms-of-the-agreement.html

the deal does plenty, and the worst sanctions are still in place.

its only a first step too, but it totally halts any possible weaponization of uranium or plutonium. so when you say it does nothing, it only makes you look like a complete moron

 

[naglfarii]

The most severe sanctions possible, quickly imposed were the only chance we had without war. Gradually applying sanctions allowed Obama to make many speeches, while allowing Iran to adjust,mandate now letting up the pressure was designed to fail. Meanwhlie Iran had several years to beef up its military with purchases from Russia, No Korea and China, while dispersing its nuclear facilities and putting them under ground. It is probably no longer feasible to use military force and Iran will get the bomb. I do not believe Obama ever intended to prevent it. Nothing on his Teleprompter told him to get serious.

the sanctions on iran are the most severe in history by a large margin

again, right wingers, you are clueless. you've been lied to by fox news and your awful right wing blogs, about basically everything. this is what they call the conservative bubble, where you believe in a totally different 'reality' than what exists.

 

[kallipolis]

So you follow blindly.

No, I'm better informed....than you.

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the sanctions on iran are the most severe in history by a large margin

again, right wingers, you are clueless. you've been lied to by fox news and your awful right wing blogs, about basically everything. this is what they call the conservative bubble, where you believe in a totally different 'reality' than what exists.

Encore..........................

 

[Kulindahr]

No takers?

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