Kevin Spacey Charged With Felony Sexual Assault

[luckynumbah7]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/18-old-said-caught-kevin-200229346.html
The alleged victim managed to tape Spacey. To me if you can video tape someone touching your penis... you're not too drunk to say "no".

Setups involve texting your girlfriend and 'a picture's worth a thousand words for winning an argument o'disbelief' with said chicky, now, is it? Because there couldn't possibly be something akin to an an invisible umbilical cord attached to most phones of the under thirty set that doesn't involve nefarious purpose?

The younger years are always on their phone, including when they're talking with other people. Hell, so are quite a few older people. It's not difficult to notice someone using their phone. And you can't read texts under the table so I can't consider it entrapment when the device was acknowledged. Just because the over 35 set forget that phones are ubiquitous with youth doesn't make it entrapment, it's not a wire and that wasn't a sting operation.

And remember, sexual assault in legal terms must be physical and repetitive after a negative response is given. Especially on tape. District attorney's don't generally bring out sexual assault felony charges for "He grabbed your crotch, you declined, he apologized for the confusion and so you stopped plying him with alcoholic comestibles."

Perhaps you could explain how multiple 'let's not' and subsequent touching is entrapment? Sexual assault has a rather specific definition in law. It's 'physically hit on 'em, don't acknowledge the error of your perception or their declining and then continue with the behavior ".

It wouldn't have been any better if he'd left after the second or third or however many recordings he'd gotten, either, since Spacey's actions still involved 'He isn't responding how I hope, let's keep trying'. When you add that he tried to pick someone up in a restaurant where he knows not everyone is legal and he's buying booze 'shifty behavior' doesn't even begin to cover it.

Or we could discuss the theme of guys trying very, very hard to ignore that a successful guy is using all the tricks of the trade to get someone in bed without actually looking for consent. Wearing someone down doesn't quite meet that consent definition in my book and I'd like to know how you're justifying the behavior when it involves liquor and someone many years older buying said liquor with sexual motivations on the table when there's apparently video evidence of pervasive declining.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Ah, I'd meant to put in a line at the bottom there and I'm pretty sure my timer has expired, so let me add it here;

Touching someone until they're physically forced to leave is not where 'Acceptance of declining the offer' begins.

Perhaps that should've been the first sentence of my original reply. Succinct and doesn't belabor the point, tho I'm not personally certain there actually is a way to overstate the basics.

-edited on a technicality - Spacey didn't use allthe tricks for 'how to get away in a guilt-free mental manner'. Seems mostly just booze, utilizing niaviette & 'how could I have possibly foreseen these circumstances I've put myself in shoulder-shrugging.' Y'know, personal ass-saving type of thing.

 

[020msm]

Excuse me but this kid pretends to be 23, gets shit house plastered at a bar with a celeb known for making advances to men, Snapchats a 1 second video and sends it to his GF??? And spacey is in trouble for this? If I see someone sitting In a bar drinking I’m assuming they’re 21 or over.. 18 is no longer a juvenile so what’s the issue here? This kid lied about his age, is above the age of consent and last time I checked making a pass at someone wasn’t illegal... NOT TO EXCUSE SPACY’s past behavior but this REEKS OF BULLSHIT

 

[mikey3000]

Yup a set up. I think the man (18 is a man) should really be taught a lesson and fucked hard in the ass. He wants to play an adult's game, he gets the adult prize.

 

[Alistair]

He was a busboy at the bar so the bar would have known his age. I fault them for allowing him to drink on their premises.

 

[gsdx]

^ Maybe that's why Mommy is the complainant. This story is beginning to smell like money.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Excuse me but this kid pretends to be 23, gets shit house plastered at a bar with a celeb known for making advances to men, Snapchats a 1 second video and sends it to his GF??? And spacey is in trouble for this? If I see someone sitting In a bar drinking I’m assuming they’re 21 or over.. 18 is no longer a juvenile so what’s the issue here? This kid lied about his age, is above the age of consent and last time I checked making a pass at someone wasn’t illegal... NOT TO EXCUSE SPACY’s past behavior but this REEKS OF BULLSHIT

My issue is he didn't check for age despite being old enough to know that not everyone wanderin' around in a place serving alcohol is legal to drink and he doesn't seem to tend to take no thanks for an answer.

If Busboy has 1 vid at a second, that's one thing. But, you know, I suspect he's got several at many a second complete with multiple hand removal, because of that whole 'sexual assault as a definition must be shown to be repetitive (or so harsh as to be beyond the pale, but here it's probably just repetitive.)

You know who doesn't like their conviction rate to looking shoddy on their resume for advancement? The prosecuting district attorney who is well aware of the legal definition of sexual assault. Touching someone's thigh doesn't generally cut it. Unless, of course, you keep doing it despite multiple removals and it gets recorded.

Hearing someone tell me they're 23 does not inspire my belief that they're actually 23 when there's liquor available and I'm over 21. This especially does not change when the venue serving the drinks employs and serves food (and liquor only with parental guidance) to the underaged.

Busboy worked in the place, unless I'm remembering the info wrongly. And since there are teenagers there under 18, not requesting ID before you ply with liquor is ....eh. Hell, I've met 14 yr olds who look like adult men (and I do mean adult, not the younger look Spacey goes for), so not checking ID is, yes, the fault of the guy who didn't check. Unless the venue employs a bouncer who cards at the door and you're already inside, people need to take some damned responsibility.

Rare does not mean nonexistent. Just because you don't expect it doesn't mean you don't plan for it. Otherwise seat belts would never have been invented.

And maybe people could google the place, because the interior certainly didn't match my imagination when I first read events. Doesn't look to be a place where most think they'd be gating hit on in so blatant a fashion without prior notice. A $30+ plate for a business meeting or a pricey liquid lunch, but not socially considered a pick up joint.

There's also fuckall saying that the underaged aren't allowed to sit at a bar when that bar also serves food and calls itself a restaurant. Quite popular with teenagers, bar stools. Or at least I was never told to skedaddle.

My brother and I went to bars often enough underage, no liquor involved, though my father (or his 3rd wife) was usually floating around somewhere. Though not always - I've harbored a penchant for chicken wing specials for 25 years or so, loitering by the bar is old hat for food service.

If you want a bar to pick someone up in, don't choose one where minors are welcome just because it's coded as a restaurant and serves food. Otherwise the ID check is on you when you're ordering the drinks and the bartender/server, rest their silly little probably-fired soul, is likely under the impression that the guy was previously carded by someone else due to the empty drinks already on the table. That Spacey would've had to have ordered. Because busboy wasn't 21.

 

[belamyi]

This thread is fascinating, the responses imply that if a young man is engaged in illegal drinking and is at least 18, that it is perfectly fine to touch his cock and play with it, against his will.

I guess their point is that the chick had no will...

 

[luckynumbah7]

^ Maybe that's why Mommy is the complainant. This story is beginning to smell like money.

I think Mommy's the complainant because mommy is the only one allowed to buy her kid booze so he can learn to drink responsibly. Which he clearly hasn't learned as he's lied about his age, so bad job there. Mommy also might be pissy because Spacey gets handsy, doesn't let up and there's film of it; people aren't very good at dealing with the conception that other people's sexual decisions aren't hurricane-blameless.

Tho she does have a real fragrant whiff of 'Not my boy!" about her.

If this thread were about someone who didn't have previous longstanding issues with inappropriate sexual questions and nonconsensual touch I could see the reasoning behind 'he only hit on him once, Ze Hand Was Moved Away, all cheer as the face-saving no was acknowledged and so the conversation went back on track with minimal awkwardness for all involved', but as it is - what are the chances of that being caught on film, really. Slim, I'd think. Mighty slim.

 

[Kahaih]

/\ Is anything preserved on film?

From what I've read/understand, the big appeal of Snapchat is that everything is erased immediately after it's sent. No recordings/images/words to pass around on the net.

Has anyone produced a video?

 

[peeonme]

This young man lying about his age or drinking illegally has nothing to do with the charges that Spacey is facing. To say that it does reminds me of when women who had been sexually assaulted had to account for why they were at a certain part of town or why they were dressed in a provocative way. It's irrelevant.
What matters is what if anything Spacey did and if there is reason to believe that he did it against the alleged victims wishes. I still find the video angel of this kind of strange.

 

[Kahaih]

/\ If all we have to go by is the 18yo's story, then his integrity/character most definitely should be scrutinized. That includes his ability and willingness to lie to get booze.

The two stories/links don't match up.

In the first article, his mother goes on about a stranger telling the 18yo he should run away when he, the 18yo, got up to use the restroom.

In the Yahoo article, the 18yo claims he took his leave when Spacey went to the restroom.

Now, either the 18yo's mother is lying, or the 18yo lied to his mother.

 

[020msm]

What I heard is even more bizarre. After the 18 yo was claimed to be molested, he asks Spacey can they have a selfie.
the selfie:https://i0.wp.com/noticiasdebarraca...inco-años-en-prisión.jpg?resize=735,400&ssl=1

 

[peeonme]

/\ If all we have to go by is the 18yo's story, then his integrity/character most definitely should be scrutinized. That includes his ability and willingness to lie to get booze.

The two stories/links don't match up.

In the first article, his mother goes on about a stranger telling the 18yo he should run away when he, the 18yo, got up to use the restroom.

In the Yahoo article, the 18yo claims he took his leave when Spacey went to the restroom.

Now, either the 18yo's mother is lying, or the 18yo lied to his mother.

If a persons testimony in court under oath can be questioned because they had told a lie to obtain booze, then not many of us would be credible witnesses.
All we have heard is 'hearsay' what matters is the evidence that the prosecution has against Stacey and if Stacy's attorney can put up a defense that maintains Stacy's presumed innocence.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I've been critical of women who wait and wait and wait until they say something years later.

that is immeasurably terrible.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

What I heard is even more bizarre. After the 18 yo was claimed to be molested, he asks Spacey can they have a selfie.
the selfie:https://i0.wp.com/noticiasdebarraca...inco-años-en-prisión.jpg?resize=735,400&ssl=1

for the love of decency we cannot start justifying rape and molestation. they took a pic together so all is forgiven? i know yall's default mode is to stick up for a fellow wgm but you gotta draw the line somewhere.

tina turner took lots of pics with Ike, so i guess it's ok that he beat the fuck out of her, probably half to death on multiple occasions. this elementary, dishonest, one-dimensional perception of abuse or abusive relationships is very unsettling.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

that is immeasurably terrible.

* on your behalf

 

[mikey3000]

The bar had a legal responsibility, via their liquir license, to verify the man's age before letting him enter and consume alcohol. Spacy had every right to asume that the man was indeed 21 or over. If the guy lied about his age to get into the bar, the onus is on the bar.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Spacy had every right to asume that the man was indeed 21 or over..

the fuck he didn't, that's that entitlement bs. you can't fuck a minor then tell the judge "I had every right to assume...." I'm sure Big Bubba your cellmate is gonna love to hear all about it. For the next thirty year.

 

[peeonme]

The bar had a legal responsibility, via their liquir license, to verify the man's age before letting him enter and consume alcohol. Spacy had every right to asume that the man was indeed 21 or over. If the guy lied about his age to get into the bar, the onus is on the bar.

So, once they found that he was 18 they would tell Spacey not to assault him? This is not about underage drinking or sex with a minor. It is about sexually assaulting another male.