Sadly I am hearing that the most liberal county in the state is already being overrepresented(at least according to Fivethirtyeight). If that's true then that's another blow to our side... 
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Maine People's Veto, will it pass or fail?
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Are these votes taking into account absentee ballots or have they already been included?
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Yeah not good. This is all Jesus' fault.
^ I just saw this update on line also.
Not losing hope, it's close and there are a lot of uncounted votes out there.
Not losing hope, it's close and there are a lot of uncounted votes out there.
Yes 201944 51.79%
No 187964 48.21%
And a few minutes later, it's a bit worse.
Still time, though!
No 187964 48.21%
And a few minutes later, it's a bit worse.
Still time, though!
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I would like to give thanks to the Religous Right, the Mormons and the Republicans for destroying gay marriage in Maine.
Thanks alot!
Thanks alot!
Have they included absentee ballots in this measure? If not maybe that will help No on 1's tally?
Either way it is disheartening to watch these people vote on something that should already be our right....
Either way it is disheartening to watch these people vote on something that should already be our right....
How long have they been fighting for this? A hundred years at least!
Come on, get real.
No gays were even considering marriage until conservative Andrew Sullivan brought it up about 20 years ago, to face derision by the gay establishment/majority.
Until he proposed this, all we were wanting was civil unions and domestic partnerships.
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gap is 20,000 votes. It's over.
At least Washington State's Referendum 71 (everything but marriage) may pass.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010195579_apwadomesticpartnerships2ndld.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010195579_apwadomesticpartnerships2ndld.html
It's over guys. We just need to take this anger to Obama and our Senators and Congressmen. So sad. I really thought that just maybe we had a chance. Looks like fear and homophbia and ignorance are still rampant in these states. They just outnumber us. That's just a fact.
This needs to be taken to the federal level now. I don't see us winning but federally. Keep up the fight and turn this anger into action.
I know it's a bad time to ask, but how much did Obama and his folks do to support us?
Specifically, in Maine, in this fight?
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It very well could but it's still pretty early. At 50% of precincts reporting it looked like Question 1 might be defeated in Maine.
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What really mortifies me is the smug look on her face that that cunt of Maggie Gallagher must have right now!!!!
Imma gonna go outside and kill a kitten
Imma gonna go outside and kill a kitten
With 82% of precincts in:
Yes 246740 52.31%
No 224913 47.69%
It's probably over.
Yes 246740 52.31%
No 224913 47.69%
It's probably over.
^Whatever, elvin1.
Did the President make any appearances, or his Cabinet?
Did any announcements of full support come from the White House?
When his Attorney General was asked about the race, he feigned ignorance......
Did the President make any appearances, or his Cabinet?
Did any announcements of full support come from the White House?
When his Attorney General was asked about the race, he feigned ignorance......
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How in the world do they get off blaming Obama?
Republicans are always the ones who create and push anti-gay legislations.
Republicans are always the ones who try to block or veto pro-gay laws.
Republicans are always the ones who speak out against gay rights.
And they're blaming Democrats?!
EPIC FAIL
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I think this beyond a shadow of a doubt, shows how incredibly difficult it is to actually bring about change.
No matter how much people protest, stomp their feet, picket, or anything else ... none of that appears to matter in the big scheme of things. It's out of our control.
Why? Because people are too engrained with their thought process when it comes to Homosexuality. And it comes down to two things:
1) Religion
2) Education
It does not appear that you can "educate" older voters on Homosexuality or Religion. They are lost causes. They don't want to be "educated" on either issue, because they have been taught through religion that any deviation to what The Bible says is blasphemy on this topic.
We are fighting a battle against Seniors that can not be won in the conventional sense.
We also have to accept the reality of the situation that it simply is not our time. You can work as hard as you want, but it isn't going to do a damn bit of good. Time is the only thing that will make a difference.
The solution is the investment in the future through future generations. And the way to do that is by education on this in our schools, as well as combating religion (also in our schools).
And along with that, is the natural process of Generational Turnover. Certainly a grim point of view, yes ... but the only way change is going to happen is through people dying and new, better educated people coming in.
We just were born in a bad time period here, gang. Maybe in another 20 years or so after some Seniors pass away and after we've had more time to educate the youth on both religion and homosexuality.
And no offense to our older members here on JUB. Because I'm sure you are equally as frustrated.
No matter how much people protest, stomp their feet, picket, or anything else ... none of that appears to matter in the big scheme of things. It's out of our control.
Why? Because people are too engrained with their thought process when it comes to Homosexuality. And it comes down to two things:
1) Religion
2) Education
It does not appear that you can "educate" older voters on Homosexuality or Religion. They are lost causes. They don't want to be "educated" on either issue, because they have been taught through religion that any deviation to what The Bible says is blasphemy on this topic.
We are fighting a battle against Seniors that can not be won in the conventional sense.
We also have to accept the reality of the situation that it simply is not our time. You can work as hard as you want, but it isn't going to do a damn bit of good. Time is the only thing that will make a difference.
The solution is the investment in the future through future generations. And the way to do that is by education on this in our schools, as well as combating religion (also in our schools).
And along with that, is the natural process of Generational Turnover. Certainly a grim point of view, yes ... but the only way change is going to happen is through people dying and new, better educated people coming in.
We just were born in a bad time period here, gang. Maybe in another 20 years or so after some Seniors pass away and after we've had more time to educate the youth on both religion and homosexuality.
And no offense to our older members here on JUB. Because I'm sure you are equally as frustrated.
