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My Illegal Amnesty Issue Hypothesis

Ethnicity is an artificial construct, others don't decide what someone else considers oneself. It doesn't matter what Puerto Ricans consider "True Hispanics", because "True Hispanics" don't exist.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
However did you arrive at that remarkable conclusion?
 
Ethnicity is an artificial construct, others don't decide what someone else considers oneself. It doesn't matter what Puerto Ricans consider "True Hispanics", because "True Hispanics" don't exist.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
However did you arrive at that remarkable conclusion?

Well, since you did the honors in the first place, why don't you ask your associates and let us know what a "True Hispanic" is.
 
Yeah. . . like the Cubans who are given a "pass" as long as they can touch our soil before they get caught & turned-back. Ok for Cubanos, not ok for Mexicanos?

Hardly an analogous situation. Besides, the Cubans are not breaking our laws.

They're not? Then why do we have patrol boats turning them away in droves? If they get ashore without being caught, then, they're IN! Seems like I played a game something like that when I was a kid! What's the difference between a Cuban "refugee" and a Mexican "illegal alien?" Is it the politics of their leaders? Is it just because we have ridiculously different laws governing immigration from different countries? I really would like to [STRIKE]hear[/STRIKE] read your take on it.
 
A specific exception was made for Cubans, years ago, when they began to flee Castro's regime. Therefore, if they touch ground, they are legally in the country.

It seems silly, but that is the way politicans think and work (sadly).
 
Well, since you did the honors in the first place, why don't you ask your associates and let us know what a "True Hispanic" is.

They will tell you that it is a matter of ancestry, going back to Spain. And, they take it very seriously.
 
Well, since you did the honors in the first place, why don't you ask your associates and let us know what a "True Hispanic" is.

They will tell you that it is a matter of ancestry, going back to Spain. And, they take it very seriously.

Hmmmm. . . sounds like pure arrogance on the part of the Puerto Ricans you know. Mexico and many Caribbean Islands, as well as many Central & South American countries, were conquered or otherwise fell under the control of Spain for many, many years. Inter-marriage was commonplace in all these places due to the fact there were few women imported to the New World from Spain. Now, granted, the dilution & mix of Spanish with other bloods may be different, but, all can legitimately trace lineage of a huge portion of their population to Spain. Central American countries got a heavy mix of Inca, Toltec and other Native American bloods. Caribbean islands got a stronger mix of European and African, with just a bit of Native American (Carib Indians, for one).

And, I'm sorry I can't cite in regard to this. . . this is just my memories of reading and World History studies.
 
A specific exception was made for Cubans, years ago, when they began to flee Castro's regime. Therefore, if they touch ground, they are legally in the country.

It seems silly, but that is the way politicans think and work (sadly).

-tongue securely anchored in cheek- Then, DAMMIT, we need to change those laws! Let's keep the Commies from flooding Florida! Let's deport Mel Martinez!!!
 
Well, since you did the honors in the first place, why don't you ask your associates and let us know what a "True Hispanic" is.

They will tell you that it is a matter of ancestry, going back to Spain. And, they take it very seriously.

Hispanic traditionally meant anyone from Hispania (the Roman name for the Iberian Peninsula). Ethnic and racial terms change all the time, as it is a modern contruct, as I had said above. For example, Italians were not considered white in this country until the late 60s, Greeks and Italians are still not considered white in many countries. As for Hispanics, in the context of the US, Hispanics are people of Spain and everyone with origins in any of the Spanish speaking countries of the Americas, regardless of ancestry. Puerto Ricans are even more mixed than a lot of mainland Hispanics are, even though a large percentage of Puerto Ricans designate themselves to be "White" or "Spanish", genetics have shown something else, a widely publicized study by the US National Science Foundation showed that 61 percent of all Puerto Ricans have Amerindian mitochondrial DNA, 27 percent have African and 12 percent Caucasian. (Nuclear DNA, or the genetic material present in a gene's nucleus, is inherited in equal parts from one's father and mother. Mitochondrial DNA is inherited only from one's mother and does not change or blend with other materials over time.) You can read more about it here if you'd like: http://www.centrelink.org/KearnsDNA.html and here: http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/human_biology/v073/73.4martinez-cruzado.pdf
Anyways, my point was, ethnic and racial terms are modern constructs, and a lot of racial theories have been considered outdated in academia for a while now. Because of the lasting impact of colonialism and institutionalised racism, it has taken longer for people to decolonize their minds, than we had initially hoped for.
 
Hmmmm. . . sounds like pure arrogance on the part of the Puerto Ricans you know. Mexico and many Caribbean Islands, as well as many Central & South American countries, were conquered or otherwise fell under the control of Spain for many, many years. Inter-marriage was commonplace in all these places due to the fact there were few women imported to the New World from Spain. Now, granted, the dilution & mix of Spanish with other bloods may be different, but, all can legitimately trace lineage of a huge portion of their population to Spain. Central American countries got a heavy mix of Inca, Toltec and other Native American bloods. Caribbean islands got a stronger mix of European and African, with just a bit of Native American (Carib Indians, for one).

And, I'm sorry I can't cite in regard to this. . . this is just my memories of reading and World History studies.

You're quite to the point, I just added below that Puerto Ricans are no less mixed, they're equally mixed, if not more than Mexicans.
 
Sadly, the whole thing runs very deeply.
Case in point.

My partner's family is from Puerto Rico.
His father's side of the family are very light skinned.
His mother's family has some Indian blood, and are more brown, and he and his brother have inherited that trait.

Because of this, his paternal grandparents have never really acknowledged him and his brother - simply because he is darker skinned.

As I said, these people take it very seriously.
 
Sadly, the whole thing runs very deeply.
Case in point.

My partner's family is from Puerto Rico.
His father's side of the family are very light skinned.
His mother's family has some Indian blood, and are more brown, and he and his brother have inherited that trait.

Because of this, his paternal grandparents have never really acknowledged him and his brother - simply because he is darker skinned.

As I said, these people take it very seriously.

Ok, first, I am Mexican, loud and proud. Viva La Raza.

Second, if your partner doesnt recognize Mexicans as being Hispanic it is due to his own ignorance of the meaning of the term.
Puerto Rico, as well as Mexico, Cuba, all of Latin America, and all of South America with the exception of Brazil, was colonized by the Spanish. Without the mixture of native and Spanish blood, NONE of those nations would be considered Hispanic.

I am sorry that his grandparents dont acknowledge him because of his darker complection. That same prejudice exists in every Hispanic country. And sadly to say, if your partner doesnt consider other Hispanic nations to be truely Hispanic for whatever reason, he's being just as bad.

Finally, as for you assertion that Mexican illegals have no intentions of assimilating into our culture, have you ever asked yourself why?
Mexicans have ALWAYS been treated as second class citizens in this country. The education system in Mexico is not the strongest, and as such, most Mexicans come to this country with little to no knowledge of the English language. When they get here they are met with ignorance and intolerance, so why wouldnt they keep to themselves? And the truth is there are plenty of Mexican illegals who have definately attempted to assimilate into our culture. And when you see a Mexican on the street in American clothes, you still most likely think, dirty, lazy, or gang banger. One cant blame them for searching for a better life for themselves and for their children, but to say that they havent made the effort to become apart of our country is something that Americans themselves are just as responsible for.

And yet acceptance has never been Americas strong suit.
 
Just because your stupid state elects idiots (and that particular run-off election was ridiculous) doesn't mean we all would.

And for the record Im from Michigan, not California. I live in LA now, but was living in Brooklyn when that particular show of idiocy occurred.
 
Sadly, the whole thing runs very deeply.
Case in point.

My partner's family is from Puerto Rico.
His father's side of the family are very light skinned.
His mother's family has some Indian blood, and are more brown, and he and his brother have inherited that trait.

Because of this, his paternal grandparents have never really acknowledged him and his brother - simply because he is darker skinned.

As I said, these people take it very seriously.

Sorry, Henry, but their bigotry doesn't make them right.
 
Sorry, Henry, but their bigotry doesn't make them right.

Nobody said that it did.
 
You keep talking posting as if it does.

And you keep mis-interpreting things. Or, is it that you don't want to hear about people who have different views (right or wrong)?
 
You keep talking posting as if it does.

And you keep mis-interpreting things. Or, is it that you don't want to hear about people who have different views (right or wrong)?

Look. You are the one who brought your S.O. & his family into this. You are the one using them as examples for YOUR side of the discussion. I'm only pointing out how you're wrong. You made them an issue, not me.

PS. If you'd like help using the JUB's quote feature, I'd be happy to assist. It would save a lot of misunderstanding.
 
Look. You are the one who brought your S.O. & his family into this. You are the one using them as examples for YOUR side of the discussion. I'm only pointing out how you're wrong. You made them an issue, not me.

PS. If you'd like help using the JUB's quote feature, I'd be happy to assist. It would save a lot of misunderstanding.


Tell me where I said that my SO's family was an example of what you refer to "my side" of a discussion. I merely pointed out that some people think that way, rightly or wrongly.

As for the JUB quote feature, it appears to be like leftist dogma - too inflexible to work with.
 
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