NSA data mining

[palbert]

A Top Secret diagram of the Google Exploitation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...1d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html

 

[palbert]

Under the Freedom of Information Act Al Jazeera (America) has obtained a copy of the NSA's suggested talking points to be used when answering inquiries concerning surveillance. (But you probably already know them.)

Revealed: NSA pushed 9/11 as key 'sound bite' to justify surveillance [<Link]

An internal NSA document recommended that officials use fear of attack when pressed to explain its programs

...
Under the sub-heading, “Sound Bites that Resonate,” the document suggests the statement: “I much prefer to be here today explaining these programs, than explaining another 9/11 event that we were not able to prevent.”

The 29 page pdf document is at

http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...ed911askeysoundbitetojustifysurveillance.html
and at
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ints-snowden-leaks-say-to-emphasize-911.shtml .

29 pages. Of talking points.

Busy news day. Waiting on the crescendo.

 

[Ben1]

 

[tigerfan482]

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A Top Secret diagram of the Google Exploitation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...1d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html

I love it. Google is shitting themselves because someone else can access all of the information they have managed to compile. And if they think countries like China or Russia aren't able to do similar things, they are fooling themselves and should go ahead and prepare another list of profanities for those revelations (assuming news outlets are willing to break from their "America The Bad Guy" theme to report on them.)

Under the Freedom of Information Act Al Jazeera (America) has obtained a copy of the NSA's suggested talking points to be used when answering inquiries concerning surveillance. (But you probably already know them.)



The 29 page pdf document is at

http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...ed911askeysoundbitetojustifysurveillance.html
and at
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ints-snowden-leaks-say-to-emphasize-911.shtml .

29 pages. Of talking points.

Busy news day. Waiting on the crescendo.

And this is news how? Virtually every organization in America, government and private sector, makes talking points for use in media interviews and discussions. Reminding people of a day like 9/11 and what it is that is trying to be prevented is indeed a way to get your message to stick with people. However, I also see 26 7/8 other pages of talking points that seemed to be glossed right over. I guess they just don't make interesting headlines.

 

[tigerfan482]

I have no doubt that Keith Alexander was pushed.....along with his deputy....the timing of the announcement reporting their departures was much too convenient to be anything else but an order from The President...while appreciating that the control freak will require definite proof.

I quote:

http://thestateweekly.com/nsa-boss-keith-alexander-to-voluntarily-retire-in-early-2014/

Clapper: “we have by and large complied with the spirit and intent of the law”

Ha Ha Ha He He He

So the short answer is no you don't have anything to backup up your assertions that are something "to be speculated upon". I would look more at the fact that the guy has been the Director of NSA for 8 years, more than double the time that an average general serves as the NSA director.

 

[kallipolis]

So the short answer is no you don't have anything to backup up your assertions that are something "to be speculated upon". I would look more at the fact that the guy has been the Director of NSA for 8 years, more than double the time that an average general serves as the NSA director.

I'd look to the fact that Keith Alexander, and his deputy are being removed of their posts as a result of the Snowden revelations, matters now being discussed in Congress......towards reform of the NSAs surveillance activities.....to deny the removal of the NSAs two top officials has not been influenced by the Snowden revelations is to bury your head in the sand.....

 

[kallipolis]

Edward Snowden has found work in Russia.....

http://cyprus-mail.com/2013/10/31/russian-lawyer-says-snowden-to-start-website-job/

I quote:

Former U.S. spy agency contractor Edward Snowden has found a job working for a website in Russia, where he was granted asylum after fleeing the United States, a Russian lawyer who is helping him said on Thursday.

 

[palbert]

Is this NSA's first categorical denial:

NSA: No spying on pope [<Link]

The NSA on Wednesday categorically rejected a report in an Italian newsmagazine that it spied on the Vatican ahead of this year's conclave to select a new pope.

“The National Security Agency does not target the Vatican,” NSA spokeswoman Vanee’ Vines said. “Assertions that NSA has targeted the Vatican, published in Italy’s Panorama magazine, are not true.”

Panorama sources its report that calls in and out of Vatican City were collected, which is consistent with the Vatican not being targeted. http://news.panorama.it/cronaca/papa-francesco-intercettato-ecco-come (Google translatable)

Shame when not targeting the Pope is news.

 

[palbert]

I love it. Google is shitting themselves because someone else can access all of the information they have managed to compile. And if they think countries like China or Russia aren't able to do similar things, they are fooling themselves and should go ahead and prepare another list of profanities for those revelations (assuming news outlets are willing to break from their "America The Bad Guy" theme to report on them.)

Your unstinting defense of the NSA is reaching the brevity warranted. I congratulate you on your growth.

 

[tigerfan482]

Your unstinting defense of the NSA is reaching the brevity warranted. I congratulate you on your growth.

All of my previous posts still stand. Your posting of news clips everyday with the same old news (that the US spies on foreign countries ) in them warrant brief responses and no need to re-post arguments made before.

 

[tigerfan482]

I'd look to the fact that Keith Alexander, and his deputy are being removed of their posts as a result of the Snowden revelations, matters now being discussed in Congress......towards reform of the NSAs surveillance activities.....to deny the removal of the NSAs two top officials has not been influenced by the Snowden revelations is to bury your head in the sand.....

Again, any evidence of them being removed from their posts other than tabloid conjecture to which even they admit they can't substantiate and is nothing more than speculation?

 

[kallipolis]

Again, any evidence of them being removed from their posts other than tabloid conjecture to which even they admit they can't substantiate and is nothing more than speculation?

A seasoned detective might well argue that the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming that Keith Alexander, and his deputy have been obliged to accept early retirement so much, so that the most loyal of NSA supporters might well be surprised by your insistance that the Snowden revelations, on-going can have had absolutely no influence on the dismissal of General Alexander, and his deputy.

 

[kallipolis]

It would appear that Edward Snowden may be invited to assist in Germany's investigations on the surveillance activities of the NSA:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/01/germany-edward-snowden-witness-nsa-inquiry

I quote:

Edward Snowden may be invited to Germany as a witness against the US National Security Agency.

Action is under way in the Bundestag to commission a parliamentary investigation into US intelligence service spying and a German politician met Snowden in Moscow on Thursday to discuss the matter.

 

[palbert]

From the blame the other guy department,

Pursuant to Executive Order 12333:

All NSA intelligence activities start with a validated foreign intelligence requirement, initiated by one or more Executive Branch intelligence consumers, and are run through a process managed by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. When those requirements are received by NSA, analysts look at the Information Need and determine the best way to satisfy it. That process involves identifying the foreign entities that have the information, researching how they communicate, and determining how best to access those communications in order to get the foreign intelligence information. The analysts identify selectors – e-mail addresses and phone numbers are examples – that help isolate the communications of the foreign entity and task those to collection systems. In those cases where there are not specific selectors available, the analysts will use metadata, similar to the address on the outside of an envelope, to attempt to develop selectors for their targets. Once they have them, they task the selectors to the collection systems in order to get access to the content, similar to the letter inside the envelope.

http://icontherecord.tumblr.com/post/65656690222/nsas-activities-valid-foreign-intelligence (Press release 10/31/2013)(foreign intelligence gathering)

Executive Order 12333:

EO 12333 sets out how the Intelligence Community (IC) is to conduct intelligence activities. The Order embodies principles that are designed to enable IC elements to carry out their missions in a manner that protects privacy and civil liberties. It provides that elements of the Intelligence Community are to collect, retain and disseminate information about United States persons pursuant to guidelines approved by the head of the IC element and the Attorney General, in consultation with the DNI.

Please note that EO 12333 guidelines are separate from the specific procedures required by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). FISA procedures apply to information that is collected, retained, and disseminated under FISA, and must first be reviewed and approved by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. The EO 12333 guidelines referred to herein do not in any way supersede or modify those procedures.

http://icontherecord.tumblr.com/tagged/EO-12333

Without further details, sounds a little attenuated. As news develops we shall see.

 

[tigerfan482]

A seasoned detective might well argue that the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming that Keith Alexander, and his deputy have been obliged to accept early retirement so much, so that the most loyal of NSA supporters might well be surprised by your insistance that the Snowden revelations, on-going can have had absolutely no influence on the dismissal of General Alexander, and his deputy.

And any logical person could argue that circumstantial evidence isn't really evidence at all. However, looking at the actual facts, we see that John C. Inglis (Source) started working at NSA in 1986, after spending 10 years in the Air Force as a pilot and a General. He is well into his federal retirement requirement and he's already getting a military pension. The evidence here seems to strongly favor the fact that he is just retiring.

With General Alexander, he's a 4 start general who has been in service since 1974 (that's 40 years of service) and has been Director of the NSA since 2005 (again, NSA's longest serving director at almost 9 years when he retires.) Again, sounds to me as if someone is at their retirement threshold and is just retiring.

Now given that both men were at their retirement requirements, this whole Snowden thing may have been their deciding factor ("I don't want to put up with this bullshit anymore"), but I haven't seen any evidence from you that they are being fired or forced out by anyone and I've seen plenty of evidence that suggests they were at the retirement point anyway.

From the blame the other guy department,

Pursuant to Executive Order 12333:



http://icontherecord.tumblr.com/post/65656690222/nsas-activities-valid-foreign-intelligence (Press release 10/31/2013)(foreign intelligence gathering)

Executive Order 12333:



http://icontherecord.tumblr.com/tagged/EO-12333

Without further details, sounds a little attenuated. As news develops we shall see.

I'm confused. What news? What is developing? There's nothing here but an explanation of E.O. 12333.

 

[bankside]

Tigerfan, I can't believe you're still here playing the same note.


You'll do better with your mandate to go read the 29 pages of media strategy. Or are there another 29 pages of social media strategy we haven't seen yet? If so, those pages need to be revised.

Every week more information comes to light that corroborates all of the concerns raised earlier this summer, which you then dismissed as being unfounded speculation. Evidently it is well-founded inference. And it reveals a security and surveillance apparatus without sufficient democratic oversight that has capacities, and often procedures, that go well beyond what is reasonable to support a free society.

 

[palbert]

... I'm confused. ...

I know that.

 

[kallipolis]

And any logical person could argue that circumstantial evidence isn't really evidence at all.

A logical person would argue that the timing of the public announcement of Keith Alexander's retirement, along with his deputy's departure coinciding with the storm created by the Snowden revelations was much more than a mere coincidence knowing, that in the political arena some one has to fall on their sword when disaster strikes......the appropriate fall guy being the man who ran the show at the NSA over the past several years, expanding the surveillance operations of the NSA.

Carl Jung would have postulated that Keith Alexander's well publicised retirement date, was much more than chance possibly, suggesting that the synchronicity of the announcement of Alexander's "dismissal," and the ongoing fury generated by the Snowden revelations is evidence that some one in the White House needed a scapegoat.

 

[Sausy]

The important thing is will Keith Alexander's "retirement" result in any substantive change at the NSA? Does the Obama administration "get it" now or is it merely content to just do something for cosmetic purposes, with no intent to reform the mission charge of the NSA?

 

[kallipolis]

^Time will tell..... the integrity of this administration to honour their word to put matters right.....is at stake.