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Obama 2001 Interview on NPR-Restribute the Wealth

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It's not about being able and willing to work..Most people are able and willing to work at jobs they are paid well to perform.

Just an anecdote: a lawn care / landscaping company which was constantly busy in the neighborhood where I lived when at OSU became the study of some students (in sociology? economics?). During the time of that three-month study, there was a sudden change in employee retention and productivity, both upward.
The change took place in the first few weeks after increasing from minimum wage to $8.00/hr for all employees who'd been there six months.

So spare me your capitalist/republican rhetoric..You people don't give a shit about the people that work for you ,and it shows everytime you open your mouth.As I've said,I've worked in Union shops and non union shops.The union shops were far superior in every aspect.

And I worked in a place that was non-union and went union -- and after the change, productivity and quality went down.
It's a mixed bag.


The working conditions are poor,as is the treatment at many docks.It's not uncommon to have a 6 am appointment and still not be loaded at 4 pm.I recieve no pay for that time.In the meantime,I've seen a shift of workers come and go.

Many times,like yesterday and today,I have no load,and am forced to loiter in expensive truckstops.When I bitch about it my company will reluctantly pay me $50.00 a day layover pay, but it is never offered.

For the first problem, I don't understand why the company you're moving the load for doesn't require the company doing the loading to pay a penalty for dithering around, and pay you for waiting. After all, while you're watching other people not work, you're working for them. As a small business guy, if I send an employee to pick up materials at a supply store, and he has to wait two hours because they've screwed it up or are busy and can't load as promised, my employee gets paid for waiting -- and then I complain like the dickens later about the supply people keeping my employee standing around wasting his time (I got a discount on a load that way once).

The second issue does seem to be one susceptible to collective bargaining. My concern would be that once again, a union would be born for good reason, then swiftly become an instrument of greed that effectively conspires to keep prices high for ordinary Americans.

I've been working since I'm 13 years old,and have never had a boss that just walked up to me and said ''Kenny, I recognize the hard work and commitment you demonstrate,I'm gonna give you a raise''..Never happened Captain.

I did get longevity raises,and raises that I had to ask for, but never, I repeat, never was one offered.

I had one offered just because of my quality/productivity. I got another because the foreman overheard that I was thinking of finding another place to work. And I was the one picked for overtime (triple-time, under the circumstances!) because I'd shown I was dependable and all. But most people I know have never even gotten their longevity raises without making an issue of it, even when their productivity made most of the workers look as active as slugs.

So I say fuck bosses,especially ''the small business owner'' they are the worst to work for.They will always tell you how small they are and how they are struggling to stay in business,thats why you don't have benefits or haven't seen a raise lately.

As a small business owner, I can tell you they're usually right! And a lot of that is due to government regulation that drives expenses up, limits opportunities, and otherwise hobbles businesses too small to hire lobbyists.

So you can badmouth ideas that spread the wealth around,whatever.

I say the time is coming when people will take what is not given.

Small businesses do more to spread the wealth around that most anything else around, so don't badmouth them.

That time is likely coming. But going much more socialist than we are will only postpone it.
 
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If we think that the people should stand up for themselves.. man, we're ANTI-AMERICAN and whatever other buzzwords they can think of.

"Stand up for themselves".
What a phrase -- both parties insist they're the ones who do it.

I guess it depends on whether you mean they should stand up for themselves by taking charge of their own situations and altering them, or stand up by making use of raw force to take what they haven't earned.
 
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Quoted for quality:

Henry many people, perhaps even some of your ancestors, came to this country to escape exactly the same concentration of wealth which you keep defending. Ours was to be an egalitarian society which, among other things, means equality in economic rights which becomes less and less likely the more wealth is concentrated.

You do a disservice to many of those at the bottom of the economic ladder who physically work harder, and for much less, than those at the higher end of the ladder. You have a very narrow view of what makes a business successful exhibited by your belief that should small businesses see their tax rates increase slightly they will lay people off or won't be able to create more jobs.

If you own a small business and are making $400,000 a yr under Obama's plan your taxes will increase $5400 a yr......not so much that you'll fire anybody and not enough for you to hire anybody should you not have to pay it.

Further most businesses I know of are currently far more concerned with a possible loss of business because of a declining economy than they are with any possible tax increase no matter how much it concerns you. And that could force them to lay people off.

Good businessmen care about their customers as much as they care about themselves and if you own a restaurant, for instance, the fact that people are likely to be spending fewer nights out at your establishment is on your mind much more than tax policy.

As the supposed party of business you might think republicans might understand that but their incessant cry for tax cuts has blinded them to certain business realities. When Reagan ran in 1980 and wanted to reduce taxes the top tax rate was 70% and it was a disincentive. But today's republicans get themselves all worked up over whether the top rate should be 36% or 39.6% with the same zeal as those who opposed the 70% top rate and all they succeed in doing is making themselves look silly.
 
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One last point.

Canada has many of the "socialist" things that Republicans are all terrified of... things like Universal Health Care and a better social support system.

the standard of living there is higher, people live longer and are healthier.. the dollar is in better shape, they have affordable education and crime and the "misery index" is lower.

We could maybe learn something from them?

What, like...

don't go to war and spend a couple trillion messing up a country that hadn't hurt us?
 
Re: Obama 2001 Interview on NPR-Restribute the Wea

*sings and does a broadway riverdance routine* Blame Canada, blame Canada...
 
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If only, then I can stop arguing grade 10 history with him(at least grade 10 Canadian history). Seriously, wtf did you guys learn about Russia in school???
LOL, we were taught to 'Duck and Cover' when Russia decided to launch an atomic attack.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixy5FBLnh7o&NR=1[/ame]
 
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...and instead investing in the future of the country. I mean, you can hate socialism all you want, they obviously know something we don't.

We could take the money (we didn't have in the first place!) Bush has wasted in Iraq and still not have enough to cover repair and deferred maintenance for the country's transportation system... that's not socialism to most people, and it sure needs done!
 
Re: Obama 2001 Interview on NPR-Restribute the Wea

If only, then I can stop arguing grade 10 history with him(at least grade 10 Canadian history). Seriously, wtf did you guys learn about Russia in school???

Our history books ended in the 1980s, thus there was no Russia.
 
Re: Obama 2001 Interview on NPR-Restribute the Wea

well maybe we can redistribute some money to education in whatever town you live in and change that?

too late, I graduated (with honors).
 
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Our history books ended in the 1980s, thus there was no Russia.


There was no Russia in your history books?

My history books say before it was the USSR it was Russia.


... I graduated (with honors).


Do tell. :rolleyes:
 
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People actually, I should say, WILLINGLY, watched that BS??
Yes and we believed every word of it! When I grew up in the early 1950s, television was just in its infancy and kids rarely questioned authority figures like policemen, teachers and parents. Truth is, we weren't very smart back then! #-o
 
Re: Obama 2001 Interview on NPR-Restribute the Wea

Yes and we believed every word of it! When I grew up in the early 1950s, television was just in its infancy and kids rarely questioned authority figures like policemen, teachers and parents. Truth is, we weren't very smart back then! #-o

Actually, back then you could usually trust police, teachers, and parents.
 
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That's what you think.

I think it's about fuckin' time. The gap between the rich and the poor was growing to alarming levels---never a good thing for a democracy.

But socialism is the wrong way to go to correct that. Unfortunately, it's a simple route people don't have to really think about.
 
Re: Obama 2001 Interview on NPR-Restribute the Wea

His assertion that union members want to get "something for nothing" is rude, insulting, elitist, and just flat-out wrong; union members work hard, damn hard, for a living--they're not welfare queens. .

The absolute literal truth strikes home doesn't it. The list of union excesses is virtually endless.

No competent hard-working man or woman needs the so-called 'protection' of unions.
 
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The absolute literal truth strikes home doesn't it. The list of union excesses is virtually endless.

No competent hard-working man or woman needs the so-called 'protection' of unions.


Your first point is well taken. And, further, unions have caused the shutting down of some perfectly good and reasonable workplaces.

Your second point, however, is dead wrong. A lot of people who work hard and are competent at their job don't have the personality or power to stand up for themselves, or can't understand economic issues like credit, insurance and retirement. Unions have served a really useful function for millions of American workers, and even if you don't care about those individuals and their families, their needs being taken care of through their own pay is helpful to our society at large.
 
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