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Occupy Wall Street

obviously I don't know the whole story, but if the police arrest someone for trespassing... they can't just walk away, can they? even if walking away means they're not trespassing anymore, the trespass already occured.

You don't get it!

Originally they were being arrested for doing a "bank run." (How is that legal in the first place?) Then, the story was changed to they were trespassing.

First: how is trespassing just that when they are CUSTOMERS.

Second: Trespassing means they REFUSE TO LEAVE. She LEFT. Then she was DRAGGED BACK IN. Therefore she was NOT trespassing.

Third: The people in that bank have SAID that they were NOT ALLOWED to leave. The police were clearly blocking their way out.

Fourth: You miss the biggest issue of all. I am not relying on media to get my information that is owned by the 1%. I rely on independent sources, video proof, etc.

You tell me, why are CUSTOMERS arrested? What were these people doing?
 
I dont think cops are all that. By no fucking means. Most of them are down right fucking mean BUT those cops deserve a medal for not putting that jackass in cuffs. He can protest all he wants but when he gets into the face of a cop sounding hysterical and thumping his chest then it isnt something that anyone should put up with much less the law officers in the streets.

So are you willing to have cops that get in people's faces and yell and use foul language to citizens locked up? That would be more important for liberty.

Police are public servants. They should be trained and prepared to be treated like servants.
 
It is true. If Citibank or any of the big four failed, the FDIC does not have enough money, or legal authority, to prevent its collapse. Even the head of the FDIC (a brilliant and straight-shooting woman) thought so in the midst of the crisis:

http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time...-citigroup-could-the-fdic-actually-take-over/



The problem with thinking like that is that bigger banks, generally, allow credit to flow more freely. (for better or for worse) Bigger banks, by way of their larger capitalization, are willing to take more risks with borrowers, which in turn helps generate economic activity. Your line of thought would result in smaller institutions that would not take risks and would hinder economic activity.

Of course there is a risk that their collapse could endanger the US economy, but that risk does NOT outweigh the benefits. While it might be easy and convenient to say 'bust them up', that's the lazy answer. It doesn't solve the problem and most certainly would NOT result in a better situation than the bank being large. There are trade-offs, and your 'solution' decimates the positive aspects of large banks in favor of some hazy, ill-defined benefits of smaller institutions.

The answer, which you curiously did not mention, and the RIGHT answer, is more stringent regulations on the types of risks banks like Citibank are allowed to take. The SIZE of the bank is not the issue; its what the bank does with its assets and is allowed to do with borrowers. If there is a bank that holds that much wealth in its coffers, the government should force it to temper the kinds of risks it takes; not all risks are bad, just like not all of them are good. But, quite simply, a bigger bank is able to take risks that smaller banks cannot, and absorb losses should those risks not be productive. THAT alone is enough reason to keep bigger banks around. (with some proper regulation, of course)

Fallacious premise. We used to have much smaller banks, and they didn't stifle economic activity.

Besides which, a threat to the economy of the country is a threat to liberty, just as a massive imbalance in wealth is a threat to liberty.
Neither should be allowed.
 
they were on private property. they were asked to leave and refused, thus trespassing.

Right there is an excellent reason that every last citibank customer in the country ought to pull their accounts immediately: they have customers arrested for being customers. Any corporation which endorses that shouldn't be trusted.

On the trespassing charge, it's standard procedure for the cops to give people a chance to leave, unless they've been engaging in egregiously offensive behavior. That means the cops had some other reason to arrest these people. Conclusion: they serve rich corporations before they serve people.
 
What that video PROVES is that the lie spinned by media that "they refused to leave" is just that, a LIE. She had left. They dragged her back in. She was a customer. She closed her account. There was no reason to arrest her.

I have no idea what the mainstream media is doing about that coverage because I refuse to partake in their bullshit anymore. That said they certainly can get it wrong. And no you dont get to be exonerated because you cause a disturbance on private property just because you leave. If you are clocked by a traffic camera doing 35 over the speed limit but later you slow down have you or have you not broken the law?

The bottom fucking line is those morons went into that bank to cause trouble otherwise they wouldn't have lookouts and video footage. I despise big banks but the method of protest is to vote with your feet. Go to a credit union. Easy choice.

So are you willing to have cops that get in people's faces and yell and use foul language to citizens locked up? That would be more important for liberty.

Police are public servants. They should be trained and prepared to be treated like servants.

This Kuli is quite possibly the most ignorant to the issue statement yet. NO in a parallel universe where the cops in that video are in peoples faces I think it should be illegal. BUT that isn't what is in the video. What is with the two sides of argument in this thread. Everyone is arguing two wrongs make it right.

The lady left so she shouldn't be in trouble... they made her be in trouble not her choice

The banks got help from our politicians so everyone else should get a bailout even if they have zero foreseeable means to pay it off... unlike the banks which do have a means to project payoff and then did so.

The guy was rude, threatening and belligerent to officers of the law but it is OK cause other cops have been bad too.

You people are letting your hearts get way in front of your heads.
 
I notice someone quoted the shitty things done apparently at the hands of the police. Yet although they quote the atrocities and call them ON TAPE I have yet to see the tape of the person's ear ripped off or the running down with a vehicle.

JayHawk In post 569 you say this:


This first video is the cop in the white shirt hits the guy in a green shirt, People at first thought it was a girl, but the guy is HIV positive. This is the one that lost the earring.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-sQ7LlBHeg&feature=related[/ame]

This second one is the cop parking his motorcycle on protesters leg.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSgh3vXr4Jc[/ame]


In this thread:
Occupy Wall Street
page 5 post #242 video 1 17 sec in white shirt beating with baton
video 3 same white shirt spraying pepper spray, unprovoked.
 
I have no idea what the mainstream media is doing about that coverage because I refuse to partake in their bullshit anymore. That said they certainly can get it wrong. And no you dont get to be exonerated because you cause a disturbance on private property just because you leave. If you are clocked by a traffic camera doing 35 over the speed limit but later you slow down have you or have you not broken the law?

The bottom fucking line is those morons went into that bank to cause trouble otherwise they wouldn't have lookouts and video footage. I despise big banks but the method of protest is to vote with your feet. Go to a credit union. Easy choice.



This Kuli is quite possibly the most ignorant to the issue statement yet. NO in a parallel universe where the cops in that video are in peoples faces I think it should be illegal. BUT that isn't what is in the video. What is with the two sides of argument in this thread. Everyone is arguing two wrongs make it right.

The lady left so she shouldn't be in trouble... they made her be in trouble not her choice

The banks got help from our politicians so everyone else should get a bailout even if they have zero foreseeable means to pay it off... unlike the banks which do have a means to project payoff and then did so.

The guy was rude, threatening and belligerent to officers of the law but it is OK cause other cops have been bad too.

You people are letting your hearts get way in front of your heads.

Speeding is completely different to "trespassing."

That customer clearly CLOSED HER ACCOUNT and after done with her business left. She was not TRESPASSING. She was a customer.

Finally, you say go with your feet to a credit union. Great, so you support what these CUSTOMERS were doing: CLOSING THEIR ACCOUNTS to go to smaller credit unions.

Don't you get it? These banks were holding the customer's money HOSTAGE and then arresting the CUSTOMERS for trying to do a TRANSACTION with THEIR MONEY.
 
Speeding is completely different to "trespassing."

That customer clearly CLOSED HER ACCOUNT and after done with her business left. She was not TRESPASSING. She was a customer.

Finally, you say go with your feet to a credit union. Great, so you support what these CUSTOMERS were doing: CLOSING THEIR ACCOUNTS to go to smaller credit unions.

Don't you get it? These banks were holding the customer's money HOSTAGE and then arresting the CUSTOMERS for trying to do a TRANSACTION with THEIR MONEY.

Hey, quit screaming at people.

I posted the vid of what happened inside the Citibank. Those protestors were fucking up. They have legitimate complaints and no solutions, they need to go back out to the sidewalks and raise awareness.

The TWO customers who hold accounts should go, alone, and close their accounts if that's the way they feel about it.

Preaching/screaming at the tellers is no way to garner traction. :##:

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On the other hand...

The vid I posted from the Santa Cruz BoA is exactly the opposite of your precious Citibank fiasco, but shows the one thing you're attempting to claim.

That some banks are prohibiting customers from closing their accounts.
 
Hey, quit screaming at people.

I posted the vid of what happened inside the Citibank. Those protestors were fucking up. They have legitimate complaints and no solutions, they need to go back out to the sidewalks and raise awareness.

The TWO customers who hold accounts should go, alone, and close their accounts if that's the way they feel about it.

Preaching/screaming at the tellers is no way to garner traction. :##:

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On the other hand...

The vid I posted from the Santa Cruz BoA is exactly the opposite of your precious Citibank fiasco, but shows the one thing you're attempting to claim.

That some banks are prohibiting customers from closing their accounts.

The difference in your video and my video is simple: you posted your video in claim about the people who were arrested. Those people were not arrested. The video I posted was the people who were arrested in reference to the articles you refer.

And, finally... only two customers were given the option of closing their accounts. The other customers were not as the bank would no longer let them, and then arrested everyone claiming they were protesters and trespassing. And again, I say that video clearly shows that is a lie, as they dragged the lady back inside.

Keep ignoring the truth, one day you will wake up and say, "Damn, why didn't I pay attention sooner?"
 
The difference in your video and my video is simple: you posted your video in claim about the people who were arrested. Those people were not arrested. The video I posted was the people who were arrested in reference to the articles you refer.

And, finally... only two customers were given the option of closing their accounts. The other customers were not as the bank would no longer let them, and then arrested everyone claiming they were protesters and trespassing. And again, I say that video clearly shows that is a lie, as they dragged the lady back inside.

Keep ignoring the truth, one day you will wake up and say, "Damn, why didn't I pay attention sooner?"

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Post #509

I'll even repost the vids to save you the trouble of clicking back...

Your vid...
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdeuuzXS_sY&feature=related[/ame]

The same bank, the same protestors, the same day, minutes before your video...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2vtXJ0k7AA&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

Forget waking up one day and saying why didn't I pay attention sooner. Try to pay attention now.

Exponential growth on a finite world, we're at the top of the bell curve. Might as well enjoy the show. :corn:
 
Well then, I apologize for being wrong. However, I still don't see a reason they should have been arrested. They were all still wanting to close their bank accounts.
 
Well then, I apologize for being wrong. However, I still don't see a reason they should have been arrested. They were all still wanting to close their bank accounts.

Wrong again. Only two of them actually had accounts.
 
No, it's okay because of:

freedom of speech
freedom of expression
they're public servants

So your point is that because they are public servants they should be shit upon whenever ANYONE who pays a dime in tax feels like it?

Are you for slavery because they thought treating people like shit because of their position in life was okie dokie too.

I do not support police brutality but I do not endorse public behavior that induces a violent reaction. That guy was doing what he was doing to get under their skin and they held their own. As I said I applaud them. the guy was obviously in the marines because that is a classic military training tactic to provoke. He knew exactly what he was doing and it is embarrassing behavior.

JayHawk In post 569 you say this:


This first video is the cop in the white shirt hits the guy in a green shirt, People at first thought it was a girl, but the guy is HIV positive. This is the one that lost the earring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-sQ7LlBHeg&feature=related

This second one is the cop parking his motorcycle on protesters leg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSgh3vXr4Jc


In this thread:
Occupy Wall Street
page 5 post #242 video 1 17 sec in white shirt beating with baton
video 3 same white shirt spraying pepper spray, unprovoked.

Okay the first video starts up with a cop running across the scene to punch a dude. DO any of you naively think that the first part of whatever that fucking idiot did was not cut out? I mean really? If that is the case why isnt there reems of video proving that cops are showing up to their day of work, sucking down their coffee and then flying off the handle to beat a random passerby that has HIV. Oh yeah they look for HIV positive guys to punch, not just hemophiliacs or cancer victims but HIV positive guys. Must punch them now.......

Fucking ridiculous.

The second video is pretty inexcusable. Although the cop does get of the bike and not pay attention to the guy under his bike because he knows that is no threat. I also notice there is zero footage of BEFORE because what the crowd was doing before obviously caused a group of officers to swarm into the area. Typically they do that when people are standing around doing nothing.... WTF ever.


Speeding is completely different to "trespassing."

That customer clearly CLOSED HER ACCOUNT and after done with her business left. She was not TRESPASSING. She was a customer.

Finally, you say go with your feet to a credit union. Great, so you support what these CUSTOMERS were doing: CLOSING THEIR ACCOUNTS to go to smaller credit unions.

Don't you get it? These banks were holding the customer's money HOSTAGE and then arresting the CUSTOMERS for trying to do a TRANSACTION with THEIR MONEY.

Speeding IS not DIFFERENT THAN TRESPASS. They are both misdemeanors (depending on the speed). And they are both simple infractions that are exceedingly easy to prove.

So last time you close an account you brought fifty of your friends and posted look outs and had video footage outside? Really? And since you are all knowing what exactly occurred in the bank? Why did the protestors feel it justified to publish the video from the civil argument at a Citi but none have come forward in the "dumb twat got arrested" case? Have you seen any of these protest? At least HALF the people are running video. So why is it they dont show how benign they were inside the citi where the arrest happened? Why is it they dont publish that video? Perhaps it is a bit incriminating?

No way.

Pull your heads out of your collective asses . I hate big banks but lying to achieve your goals make you them not different.
 
Wrong, they allowed two people to close their accounts before they closed for the day, early, and arrested everyone.

So picture yourself operating your business. When fifty people walk in and demand that you change the entire structure of society. Modify your corporation or we will hold your day and your customers hostage. these people yell at anyone who will listen. Do you sincerely think they were just waiting in line for their turn. Don't be a child.

They closed because the protest was disrupting their business to the point they had the disrupting persons arrested. The right to assemble DOES NOT allow for you to disrupt activity on privately owned businesses. So feel free to withdrawal your cash from citi and purchase a clue.
 
It was 22 people, don't inflate the number to satisfy your personal belief.

In the end, they were customers attempting to close their bank accounts. Period.
 
It was 22 people, don't inflate the number to satisfy your personal belief.

In the end, they were customers attempting to close their bank accounts. Period.



They were not trying to close their accounts, They were trying to cancel their loans. 2 totally different things. Closing your account is fine and legal. Trying to cancel a loan is not.

All I see these days is a lot of propaganda coming from both sides and it's making it difficult to see whats really going on.

You have edited videos making protesters look like idiots and edited videos making them look like poor innocent victims.


It's this kind of stuff thats making me sick and tired of the whole situation.


Plus I think they have the wrong idea. The rich elitists are sitting in their ivory towers laughing at the protestors. They should be Occupying their congressmans lawn not Wall Street.
 
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