Occupy Wall Street

[Kulindahr]

No, that's not actually true. There is a long list of regulations and laws that govern those parks, including not camping, not congregating in large groups, not sleeping over night, and not using it for any other purpose. All of these protestors have violated those regulations. YOU need to stop and actually understand the reality of the legal situation. The protesters have been allowed to remain by the good graces of the owners of the park, and no doubt pressure from members of the city council and the mayor's office. The owners could, at any time, ask the police to intervene and remove the protesters, and the protesters would have no choice but to leave.



That same poll also says people approve of the way the police have handled the situation.




Not quite. In many jurisdictions, you can protest, but you can't obstruct public walkways (like sidewalks). If you do, you'll be warned to move, or arrested.

Are you saying you support this situation?

If so, you're right there with at least two others in this thread, willing to legislate away the Bill of Rights by the addendum "except where prohibited by law".

 

[JB3]

Are you saying you support this situation?

If so, you're right there with at least two others in this thread, willing to legislate away the Bill of Rights by the addendum "except where prohibited by law".

Stop Kulindahr. Your sanctimonious 'holier than thou' attitude littered throughout this thread is quite unflattering on you.

The park is private, it has rules and regulations just like any other privately owned, publicly used area in the US. Protesters are not free to do whatever they please on private property. You know it, I know it, and the protesters know it.

 

[fetaby]

But more importantly is the strength of perception and awareness.

Suppose the park owner did ask the police to remove the protestors. Can you imagine the PR nightmare that would create?

Some of the main tenets of this protest is common knowledge.

It is common knowledge that corporations pump a shitton of money into Washington and in return receive favorable legislation.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Of course with man being man, it was only a matter of time that the American government strayed from the principles from which it began. Which makes the ironic resistance to this protest all the tastier.

 

[fetaby]

Stop Kulindahr. Your sanctimonious 'holier than thou' attitude littered throughout this thread is quite unflattering on you.

The park is private, it has rules and regulations just like any other privately owned, publicly used area in the US. Protesters are not free to do whatever they please on private property. You know it, I know it, and the protesters know it.

Thank the various gods and goddesses that they don't give a fuck.

When you're pushed to the wall, where else can you go?

 

[CowboyBob]

Stop Kulindahr. Your sanctimonious 'holier than thou' attitude littered throughout this thread is quite unflattering on you.

The park is private, it has rules and regulations just like any other privately owned, publicly used area in the US. Protesters are not free to do whatever they please on private property. You know it, I know it, and the protesters know it.

We're talking about the meltdown of the economy by Wall Street and corrupt bankers and you're worried about a small private park.

 

[JB3]

We're talking about the meltdown of the economy by Wall Street and corrupt bankers and you're worried about a small private park.

Interestingly, the contention you've made that the bankers are 'corrupt' is not one shared by the protesters. They believe the bankers and corporations are incredibly greedy, but do not believe that they are corrupt.

 

[Kulindahr]

Stop Kulindahr. Your sanctimonious 'holier than thou' attitude littered throughout this thread is quite unflattering on you.

The park is private, it has rules and regulations just like any other privately owned, publicly used area in the US. Protesters are not free to do whatever they please on private property. You know it, I know it, and the protesters know it.

I don't see the current plunderer's concept of private property as sacrosanct, and I don't see it as a Constitutional right. It's an artificial construct that has to give way to fundamental human rights.

 

[JB3]

I don't see the current plunderer's concept of private property as sacrosanct, and I don't see it as a Constitutional right. It's an artificial construct that has to give way to fundamental human rights.

Nonsense. Even the protesters understand the concept of private property. You'd do well to do the same.

Your conception of what's going on is no more 'better' or 'right' than anyone else's. That is also something that the protesters understand.

 

[Kulindahr]

We're talking about the meltdown of the economy by Wall Street and corrupt bankers and you're worried about a small private park.

It's the attitude that would have called the Redcoats on those Founding Fathers who organized the original tea party.

It's an attitude that forgets that the original protest of the colonists was not merely against the Crown, but against a giant corporation.

When any power becomes abusive of liberty, it loses all moral claim to property. The huge developers are part of the abusive power -- their park belongs to the people.

 

[Kulindahr]

Blah blah blah is all I hear out of that post. Even the protesters understand the concept of private property. You'd do well to do the same..

I don't see the current plunderer's concept of private property as sacrosanct, and I don't see it as a Constitutional right. It's an artificial construct that has to give way to fundamental human rights.

 

[JB3]

I don't see the current plunderer's concept of private property as sacrosanct, and I don't see it as a Constitutional right. It's an artificial construct that has to give way to fundamental human rights.

So you're just going to keep posting the same blithering insanity over and over again. Come now Kulindahr, that's no way to discuss what's actually happening.

 

[JB3]

It's the attitude that would have called the Redcoats on those Founding Fathers who organized the original tea party.

It's an attitude that forgets that the original protest of the colonists was not merely against the Crown, but against a giant corporation.

When any power becomes abusive of liberty, it loses all moral claim to property. The huge developers are part of the abusive power -- their park belongs to the people.

By your logic, I could claim that you are an abuser of liberty, and claim your property as the people's. The claim that you are making on behalf of us is the same. Do you see where the insanity you propagate leads? You have lost the plot Kulindahr.

 

[Kulindahr]

Interestingly, the contention you've made that the bankers are 'corrupt' is not one shared by the protesters. They believe the bankers and corporations are incredibly greedy, but do not believe that they are corrupt.

And you know all of them personally?

If they don't think the bankers are corrupt, they're incredibly ignorant -- only corrupt people would deliberately create financial instruments likely to fail and sell them to others as AAA investments, and only corrupt people would accept a bailout from the taxpayers and then award the very folks who caused the problem billions in bonuses.

 

[Kulindahr]

So you're just going to keep posting the same blithering insanity over and over again. Come now Kulindahr, that's no way to discuss what's actually happening.

As long as you keep ignoring a sound and fundamental criticism, I'll repeat it until you pay attention.

I don't see the current plunderer's concept of private property as sacrosanct, and I don't see it as a Constitutional right. It's an artificial construct that has to give way to fundamental human rights.

 

[Kulindahr]

By your logic, I could claim that you are an abuser of liberty, and claim your property as the people's. The claim that you are making on behalf of us is the same. Do you see where the insanity you propagate leads? You have lost the plot Kulindahr.

Really?

I presume, then, that you have, and can present, several hundred pages at least detailing how I have systematically plundered the vast majority of the populace, purposely set up millions of people to become homeless, deliberately engaged in activities which resulted in the collapse of the economy, and seek to pervert the legislative process to allow me to continue these activities under government protection.

 

[White Eagle]

Stop Kulindahr. Your sanctimonious 'holier than thou' attitude littered throughout this thread is quite unflattering on you.

The park is private, it has rules and regulations just like any other privately owned, publicly used area in the US. Protesters are not free to do whatever they please on private property. You know it, I know it, and the protesters know it.

Here's a WSJ article concerning Zuccotti Park.The Real Estate Board of New York wants to change the RULES so they can close the parks from 1am to 5am, however the protesters have the support of many local elected officials. It hass to go thru several boards to be done. This is of course unconstitutional IMHO.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204002304576631413421195574.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

OCTOBER 15, 2011

Park Rules Scrutinized


By ELIOT BROWN

Casting a wary eye on the four-week-old Occupy Wall Street encampment, a group representing some of the city's most influential landlords plans to ask the city to revamp the rules governing privately owned parks, including removing a requirement that they be open 24 hours a day

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The plazas are a common sight throughout Manhattan, a gift of city zoning rules that allow developers to build more office space if they also construct a public space. Rules require that many of them stay open 24 hours a day.

In a twist, this makes the privately owned plazas in some ways more accessible than public parks, many of which close at night.

So let's just wait and see if REBNY can get their 1% over the problem of OWS.
If you ask me they will not succeed.

 

[White Eagle]

Interestingly, the contention you've made that the bankers are 'corrupt' is not one shared by the protesters. They believe the bankers and corporations are incredibly greedy, but do not believe that they are corrupt.

Do you have a cite that the protesters don't believe the banks are corrupt?
Play by the rules please.

 

[barnbuddy]

US First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

funny how the framers didn't mention property rights,

or yelling "fire" in a theater

they knew sanctioning, even encouraging, protest would be present a threat to gov't stability

or private economic interests - and that was the intent

 

[CowboyBob]

Interestingly, the contention you've made that the bankers are 'corrupt' is not one shared by the protesters. They believe the bankers and corporations are incredibly greedy, but do not believe that they are corrupt.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A__KFbnOvsk[/ame]

Again, we're talking about the meltdown of the economy by Wall Street and corrupt bankers and you're worried about a small private park.

 

[fetaby]

Again, we're talking about the meltdown of the economy by Wall Street and corrupt bankers and you're worried about a small private park.

It's like fixating on the page number of a book rather than reading the text...