Occupy Wall Street

[White Eagle]

Something I came across this AM and will have to search for more info. I don't understand how if the article is dated Oct 1, why haven't we seen something about it.
It's interesting and hoping it will come true.I have a feeling that Active Duty cannot be in a protest such as this. We will have to see.

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c...-to-back-up-the-protestors-–-god-love-em/6782

OccupyWallStreet – Various U.S Marines and Army Will be Arriving to Back up the Protestors – God Love Em
Posted on October 1, 2011 by Mark Schumacher

It’s good to hear we have back up from our service men who know the difference between right and wrong. It hasn’t taken long for our troops to understand that our freedoms in which they fight for on a daily basis are at stake. When the Constitution of the United States gets pushed too far, it pushes back. Thank the Good Lord for all that is good, in this corrupt and unconstitutional nightmare that we now find ourselves embroiled in.

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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/1...bringing-reinforcements-to-occupy-the-nation/

Semper Fi: Occupy Marines Bringing Reinforcements To Occupy The Nation
October 22, 2011
By Stephen D. Foster Jr.

What began as the gathering of just a few US Marines has now become a major organized movement to get Marines and military personnell of all branches to Occupy America nationwide. You can thank Marine Sgt. Shamar Thomas for that. His actions last week have inspired service men and women across the country to take a stand for the American people and join the Occupy protests.

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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/1...-if-the-cops-wont-beat-protesters-on-command/

Occupy Police: What Happens If The Cops Won’t Beat Protesters On Command?
October 23, 2011
By Justin "Filthy Liberal Scum" Rosario

As a counterpoint to Occupy Marines, which is spreading to all the branches of the military, a new movement is brewing that will send shivers of terror down the spines of the powers that be: Occupy Police.

It’s only a few days old and has almost no presence as of yet but it has a name and a name is a powerful thing. Once a thing is named, it has a shape. Once it has a shape, it will have a voice. Where there is a voice, there is power. Occupy Wall St. itself is a prime example of this. The anger and discontent at the abuses of Wall St. had no name and, therefore, no power. The Tea Party almost gave voice to it but it was stolen by the corporations before it could find itself.

 

[White Eagle]

This article claims it to be veterans of the military to be in Occupy.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/23/occupy-movement-spins-off-occupymarines-and-occupy-police/

Occupy movement spins off OccupyMARINES and Occupy Police
By Muriel Kane
Sunday, October 23, 2011

The Occupy Wall Street movement has recently expanded beyond merely occupying parks and other physical territory and is staking out a new realm of metaphorical occupations that includes both OccupyMARINES and Occupy Police.

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According to Business Insider, members of the new movement began by reaching out to other former marines but “have now called on veterans of other branches of the military to lend their support to help ‘talk sense’ to police and recruit them into supporting the Occupy movement.”

 

[fetaby]

American Indians had no concept of private land ownership. It didn't exist in their culture. So, how can you steal something from someone who doesn't even assert so much as a claim of ownership?

You have as much right to own real estate as you do a new Ford pickup. The Ford dealer has a finite quantity that he holds by force, does he not? It's that way with everything in life. You need money, or something that someone else values to exchange for something you want that someone else has.

:/

Hmmm, how long before we air having to pay someone for the air we breathe?

 

[TickTockMan]

just wondering, but couldn't you frame that exact same article as "Only 33% of Americans Support Occupy Wall Street Protests"?

They could have, but it wouldn't have made much sense.

 

[Kulindahr]

American Indians had no concept of private land ownership. It didn't exist in their culture. So, how can you steal something from someone who doesn't even assert so much as a claim of ownership?

Not so -- they just didn't have the plunderer's concept of property. Just because they lacked a concept of "private land ownership" doesn't mean there was no theft. A parallel now would be if I and some armed companions moved into a national park and laid claim to the land and argued it wasn't theft because the land wasn't private property.

You have as much right to own real estate as you do a new Ford pickup. The Ford dealer has a finite quantity that he holds by force, does he not? It's that way with everything in life. You need money, or something that someone else values to exchange for something you want that someone else has.

No, the Ford dealer doesn't have a finite quantity -- he has as many as the factory can turn out, and he thinks he'll need. If seven billion people had the money, they could pre-order from a single dealer, and that dealer would have seven billion pickups, as they moved across his lot.

Real estate cannot be created. It is not manufactured. It exists prior to humanity. As such, it is in a category by itself. The ONLY basis for 'ownership' of real estate is force; the basis for ownership of a Ford is its manufacture.

 

[Kulindahr]

Something I came across this AM and will have to search for more info. I don't understand how if the article is dated Oct 1, why haven't we seen something about it.
It's interesting and hoping it will come true.I have a feeling that active duty cannot be in a protest such as this. We will have to see.

A friend of Gandhi once said that freedom is saying no. It would be wonderful if the police began to endorse freedom by saying no to abuse, no to violence against the peaceful, no to stifling the voices of their fellow Americans.

 

[White Eagle]

"Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children." --Ancient Indian Proverb

 

[White Eagle]

Kuli so true!!!!

 

[Jack Springer]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ[/ame]

 

[palemale]

American Indians had no concept of private land ownership. It didn't exist in their culture. So, how can you steal something from someone who doesn't even assert so much as a claim of ownership?

Silly argument and shows your complete lack of understanding of the term property and it's legal implications. Property is not limited to real estate. In Anglo-American jurisprudence, property is understood as a bundle of rights that enable a person or group of people to assert dominion or control of something, either real or intangible. For example, we all understand the concept of intellectual property. Courts have found that public employees have property rights in their jobs. Ideas or jobs are intangible, but they are also property in some circumstances.

The American Indians certainly had a concept that they had some territory that they used for the benefit of the whole community over which the tribe exerted dominion. Thus, they had a concept of community ownership, but they didn't have a concept of boundaries that were recorded and could be bought and sold. The American and English colonists certainly stole those lands from the Indians. They didn't consider it theft because they saw the Indians as savages and sub-humans and no more entitled to rights than the wild animals that lived on the lands they stole.

Perhaps your ideology needs updating, by about two hundred years.

 

[Kulindahr]

"Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children." --Ancient Indian Proverb

The depth of thought there is profound. It beats "might makes right" by parsecs.

 

[White Eagle]

Here we go boys! Occupy Police is here. Altho I don't think they are part of Occupy Police, the Albany police and state troopers are refusing orders from the mayor and governor Cuomo.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/...rder-to-arrest-hundreds-of-occupy-protesters/

New York cops defy order to arrest hundreds of ‘Occupy Albany’ protesters
By Andrew Jones
Monday, October 24, 2011

Occupy Albany protesters in New York’s capital city received an unexpected ally over the week: The state and local authorities.

According to the Albany Times Union, New York state troopers and Albany police did not adhere to a curfew crackdown on protesters urged by Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) and Albany mayor Gerald Jennings.

Mass arrests seemed to be in the cards once Jennings directed officers to enforce the curfew on roughly 700 protesters occupying the city owned park. But as state police joined the local cops, protesters moved past the property line dividing city and state land.

http://www.timesunion.com/local/art...-arrests-police-and-2232934.php#ixzz1bietzrSH

Under pressure to make arrests, police and troopers push back

Governor's office urged mayor to press police to make arrests at protest
By BRENDAN J. LYONS Senior writer
Updated 09:17 a.m., Monday, October 24, 2011

ALBANY -- In a tense battle of wills, state troopers and Albany police held off making arrests of dozens of protesters near the Capitol over the weekend even as Albany's mayor, under pressure from Gov. Andrew Cuomo's administration, had urged his police chief to enforce a city curfew.

 

[White Eagle]

The depth of thought there is profound. It beats "might makes right" by parsecs.

I should have given you the link. there are more quotes there.

http://www.adl.org/education/curriculum_connections/NA_Quotes.asp

 

[jackoroe]

Here we go boys! Occupy Police is here. Altho I don't think they are part of Occupy Police, the Albany police and state troopers are refusing orders from the mayor and governor Cuomo.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/...rder-to-arrest-hundreds-of-occupy-protesters/



http://www.timesunion.com/local/art...-arrests-police-and-2232934.php#ixzz1bietzrSH

Good heavens, Democrats demanding protestors be arrested! Surely it must be the end of the world!

 

[Kulindahr]

I should have given you the link. there are more quotes there.

http://www.adl.org/education/curriculum_connections/NA_Quotes.asp

One cannot own what cannot be made.

 

[Kulindahr]

Good heavens, Democrats demanding protestors be arrested! Surely it must be the end of the world!

Politicians doing the bidding of their masters. Democrats and Republicans are just the two faces of the same Whore in Washington.

 

[Jack Springer]

A little balance . . . . .

14 yo Teen Raped at Occupy Dallas

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/24/accusations-of-teen-runaway-sexual-activity-at-occupy-dallas/

Seattle Protester Refuses to Let Police Officer Get in Car to Handle Other Duties

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo...s-Occupy-Seattle-enters-its-4th-2231286.php:-)

Here we go boys! Occupy Police is here. Altho I don't think they are part of Occupy Police, the Albany police and state troopers are refusing orders from the mayor and governor Cuomo.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/...rder-to-arrest-hundreds-of-occupy-protesters/

http://www.timesunion.com/local/art...-arrests-police-and-2232934.php#ixzz1bietzrSH

Cuomo is a democrat. I don't understand.

 

[andysayshi]

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."

-- Thomas Jefferson

I'm interested in your stance on this matter, Jackaroe, given your signature quote from Jefferson.

Are the OWS protesters not exerting their right to "the spirit of resistance" by denouncing their corrupted Governors and the greedy corporations who fund them?

 

[Kulindahr]

I'm interested in your stance on this matter, Jackaroe, given your signature quote from Jefferson.

Are the OWS protesters not exerting their right to "the spirit of resistance" by denouncing their corrupted Governors and the greedy corporations who fund them?

Seems he should be complaining that the protesters aren't taking arms, huh?

 

[jackoroe]

I'm interested in your stance on this matter, Jackaroe, given your signature quote from Jefferson.

Are the OWS protesters not exerting their right to "the spirit of resistance" by denouncing their corrupted Governors and the greedy corporations who fund them?

They are a leaderless, pointless group. There are some sensible libertarians among their number, but by and large they can't even agree what they want to accomplish. Taking arms and making specific demands would be a marked improvement.

Here's the Wikipedia entry on this grabastic mess of a supposed organization. Read it and get back to us if you can figure what their demands are. It's about as clear as mud.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street