Oh No! It's Another Thread About Circumcision.

[JohnnyAnger]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

It seems a bit of an overstate some of it from this guy, who as far as I know has been challenged a lot over his papers. In fact the Royal Australasian College of Physicians (RACP) declared a number of his papers unscientific, as well as his book being called "A serious disservice to parents" by the director of the Sydney Sexual Health Centre in a really damning review of his book - http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=50
I don't really care either way on the actual debate, but lets try and keep the debate scientific if that is the route we want to go down...

 

[Vitamin]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

Obviously, we need to oulaw all male foreskin.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

bahahahahaha - he claims that the presence of a foreskin “serves as an impediment to sexual intercourse” and that “circumcision facilitates procreation”!!!!!!!!!!! Cos uncut guys really struggle to have babies....

 

[unloadonme]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

Dr Morris appears to have quite a fan base.

https://www.facebook.com/FireBrianMorris

 

[RaKroma]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

It seems a bit of an overstate some of it from this guy, who as far as I know has been challenged a lot over his papers. In fact the Royal Australasian College of Physicians (RACP) declared a number of his papers unscientific, as well as his book being called "A serious disservice to parents" by the director of the Sydney Sexual Health Centre in a really damning review of his book - http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=50
I don't really care either way on the actual debate, but lets try and keep the debate scientific if that is the route we want to go down...

Character assassinations are not convincing when the study involved multiple healthcare professionals and not only that, a study that carries the name of Mayo Clinic. If you're not aware of Mayo Clinic, they won't allow some tin-foil doctor to be associated with them. We would need evidence of peer-review of this study that debunks its credibility.

 

[sixthson]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

So, RaKroma, you plan to have your sons circumcised then?

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

Character assassinations are not convincing when the study involved multiple healthcare professionals and not only that, a study that carries the name of Mayo Clinic. If you're not aware of Mayo Clinic, they won't allow some tin-foil doctor to be associated with them. We would need evidence of peer-review of this study that debunks its credibility.

Wait wait wait - you are standing up for the same doctor who wont go before peer-review! Morris, when it comes to this topic, won't put his work forward for peer review and has constantly be challenged by clinicians and meta anaylsis experts. His a fine molecular geneticist, but this is really not his area and he is putting forward very dodgy unscientific claims hence lots in the medical world lining up to take shots at him.
http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/news/2014...ling-for-the-return-of-male-circumcision.aspx
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16502947?dopt=AbstractPlus
http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=50
It also appears that massive driving factor in his view point is that his really really into circumcision fetish stuff, and links to a lot of erotic stories about it on his home page.

Still I don't know why I am falling into arguing this. Circumcision really does not interest me either way in daily life, but I really think this guy is hyping the dangers of being uncut which are fairly minimal in the western world. Its also a bit weird for us all to get caught up in this seeing as we are all adults and have had the decision made for us (of course we can get circumcised later on in life if we want, but that's pretty rare) and as a gay site I doubt many of us are planning to have kids and thus probably don't need to make the decision for others. I also think having a sexual preference for cut or uncut is pretty weird and fetishy - its fine if you do have a preference, but if it makes you not go with someone that you fancy it starts seeming a little odd.

 

[peeonme]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

From what I have read, circumcision was promoted by a Dr. Harvey Kellogg, back in the late 1800's, it was thought that masturbation caused epilepsy, mental retardation, club feet and other problems.

This practice of infant circumcision was seen as a way of preventing boys from doing what all boys do, beating off.

Boys still jack off, as has been pointed out we use lube if need be.

In modern medicine it is a money maker, plus infant foreskin is used in skin grafts, with no payback to the donor

 

[Telstra]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

I'm an expert on foreskin because i got one.
Uncircumcised cock do need more time to clean properly and clean more often.

 

[RaKroma]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

Wait wait wait - you are standing up for the same doctor who wont go before peer-review! Morris, when it comes to this topic, won't put his work forward for peer review and has constantly be challenged by clinicians and meta anaylsis experts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayo_Clinic_Proceedings You can't have your study posted in a prestigious medical journal that only publishes peer-reviewed studies. And at least his career was in medical sciences, unlike that physicist who opened his own site to attack circumcision articles and promote his own biased fetish for foreskins. Like I said, the foreskin mafia runs all these none authoritative sites, confuse and muddle scientific reports to discredit scientists just like the Republicans who hire think tanks to confuse and discredit scientific reports when it comes to climate and protecting oil industry.

 

[sixthson]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

So, RaKroma, you plan to have your sons circumcised then?

Would you answer this, please? It might help to understand why it is so important to you.

I never quoted myself before.

 

[palbert]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

And tomorrow we will have an other clinical study establishing otherwise. Blah, blah, blah. Like either one will be used to make a decision.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

If circumcision prevents HIV, HPV, UTIs, penile cancer, prostate cancer then European countries should have higher rates of all of these diseases and conditions. They don't. On the whole, Europeans don't have problems from "retaining" their foreskin when compared to the easily-treatable problems that females have from retaining their foreskin, aka clitoral hood. The United States has some of the highest rates of STIs and ailments amongst other countries in its class. International researchers are in agreement that circumcision is not the answer, and certainly not a vaccine.

Cutting off healthy, functional tissue is not medicine: it's a human rights violation. The Council of Europe, the Nordic Sexology Association, the Royal Dutch Medical Association, Terre des Femme the Norwegian Union of Nurses and numerous other organizations are speaking out against forced genital surgeries on healthy children. They all agree that non-therapeutic male infant circumcision is a human rights violation.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

If circumcision prevents HIV, HPV, UTIs, penile cancer, prostate cancer then European countries should have higher rates of all of these diseases and conditions. They don't. On the whole, Europeans don't have problems from "retaining" their foreskin when compared to the easily-treatable problems that females have from retaining their foreskin, aka clitoral hood. The United States has some of the highest rates of STIs and ailments amongst other countries in its class. International researchers are in agreement that circumcision is not the answer, and certainly not a vaccine.

Cutting off healthy, functional tissue is not medicine: it's a human rights violation. The Council of Europe, the Nordic Sexology Association, the Royal Dutch Medical Association, Terre des Femme the Norwegian Union of Nurses and numerous other organizations are speaking out against forced genital surgeries on healthy children. They all agree that non-therapeutic male infant circumcision is a human rights violation.

God I don't know why I ctrl-p'd that in, I really don't want this debate to ever go on. Some people are cut, some people are not - both are fine and equal

 

[Essex Boy]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

Only Peeonme has so far made the really important point: follow the money. American boys are circumscised for one reason only, the doctor can add it to the bill. The National Health Service in the UK is free at the point of use and circumcision here is almost unknown. If this led to physical problems or disease later on it would have been noticed long ago--the Government collects and publishes copious health statistics. As for inability to retract the foreskin, my understanding is that this is not uncommon up to puberty and rarely needs surgery.

It's nice to be reminded now and then that sober-minded men of science also enjoy a good handbag fight.

 

[hylas]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

Eh. Simply put, I don't believe the study. I think if 50% of uncircumsized men had some kind of related problem, we'd have noticed here in Europe.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

No one who is opinionated about these things is going to have any kind of study.

If I have children, they will be circumcised.

 

[Alnitak]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

Oh this debate. Uncut dicks are also grotesque and repulsive.

 

[johaninsc]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

oh joy...

another cut vs uncut thread

 

[LuckysRevenge]

Re: Mayo Clinic rerpot: benefits of circumcision far outweigh the risks

No one who is opinionated about these things is going to have any kind of study.

If I have children, they will be circumcised.

Totally fucked up this post.

Anyone who is opinionated on this topic is going to be swayed by any study.*