'Oh! Susanna' songwriter's statue removed from Pittsburgh park after criticism

[NotHardUp1]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

What I see in Hot Topics is thread after thread about what the white man/cop/system is doing to the black man.

What I don't see is the supposed racist threads saying Black people are ruining our schools, taking our jobs, committing all the crime, marrying our women, or whatever claim the Klan and those like them actually do promote.

In absence of any of that kind of rhetoric or propaganda, instead we only hear the rantings of tirades without anyone from the other side here to respond. It's a fucking echo chamber.

I've never seen a thread in Hot Topics championing white supremacy, or suggesting blacks should not have equal access to opportunity.

I have seen some highly prejudiced propaganda against Islam, against Florida, against the South, and even against America, but not about black people.

 

[SeaCore]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

When contrasted with the statement about the Jewish community I certainly don't get that impression.

Lets assume I'm wrong though! That's still a deeply negative attitude that might not be doing them any favors. Change the scale from the Black community to those individuals and investigate that!

 

[NotHardUp1]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

True.

I would agree that our dealing with our negativism is the most important thing we can do to improve our lives, which would go equally well directed to the one posting the endless threads about how bad life is if you're black. God knows posting it on JUB isn't changing any minds or the world, just promoting bitterness.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

Wait, didn't Peeonme state that he attributed it to individuals, not to the "Black community"? He went out of his way to make it clear he wasn't condemning Blacks as a group.

Are you doing a straw man thing here, claiming Peeonme has just denigrated all blacks instead of the drummer with the favorite beat?

Reading Peeonme's post history shows clearly that he doesn't criticize or attack Blacks as a community.

He said black community in this very thread. That would definitely making it a group characterization. Though I’m not questioning his post history just the post in this thread.

 

[rareboy]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

True.

I would agree that our dealing with our negativism is the most important thing we can do to improve our lives, which would go equally well directed to the one posting the endless threads about how bad life is if you're black. God knows posting it on JUB isn't changing any minds or the world, just promoting bitterness.

Interesting that you see it only as promoting bitterness instead of introspection and awareness.....

 

[Cormac135]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

True.

I would agree that our dealing with our negativism is the most important thing we can do to improve our lives, which would go equally well directed to the one posting the endless threads about how bad life is if you're black. God knows posting it on JUB isn't changing any minds or the world, just promoting bitterness.

Indeed, i'm sick of him calling anyone out who doesn't agree with him as a white devil, he indeed has the right message but just the wrong forum, let him try this stuff over on StormFront or some other right wing shitshow, sadly too many people have pandered to him here.

 

[rareboy]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

This might be something for people to watch and ponder.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-backlash-montgomery-alabama?CMP=share_btn_fb

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

Indeed, i'm sick of him calling anyone out who doesn't agree with him as a white devil, he indeed has the right message but just the wrong forum, let him try this stuff over on StormFront or some other right wing shitshow, sadly too many people have pandered to him here.

It’s not pandering, people agree with him. His discussions serve a purpose when there is racism on here. If you don’t like it that’s fine. Don’t read the posts, but I find it odd people have more of a problem with his posts rather then actual racism on here.

 

[Latimer]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

They were identical to shows that use a fat person as the butt of the joke, or a fey gay, or a dumb blonde. Their function was to reinforce prejudices.

No, the function is not to reinforce prejudice: the function is to get a laugh. Differences get laughs, extremes get laughs, snobs get laughs, rustics get laughs, stupidity and cluelessness get laughs. I could go on and I will, because remembering comedic turns makes me happy: Marguerite Dumont in Marx Bros comedies is a quadruper: a fat, rich, clueless snob. Groucho is Jewish, Harpo, Irish, Chico, Italian--don't know about the other two. Hyphenites are funny. Recent immigrants are even funnier. Foreigners can be hysterical! Gay Italian narcissist fashion designer Beddini in Top Hat is one of the highlights of the film. Stupid, egotistical jock Buzz Lightyear is much more fun to watch than good-guy Woody. For chrissake, Jackie Gleason built a career on being fat. (Although by today's standards he looks simply moderately overweight, sad to say.) Stupid master, wiley slave, cuckholded husband, Plautus had it all. Commedia dell'Arte is nothing but stereotypes, G & S is nothing but stereotypes. Why are the Mechanicks in Midsummer Night's Dream played with Cockney accents? Lower class accents are funny except when they're sexy. Sometimes they're both! Sometimes they're neither!

Funny stereotypes have been around forever and will continue forever. And when publicly surpressed be assured they will continue in private conversation and secret thought.

 

[peeonme]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

He said black community in this very thread. That would definitely making it a group characterization. Though I’m not questioning his post history just the post in this thread.

The black culture in America is know by all to be misogynistic and homophobic. I have heard blacks tell gays to "not hitch their cart to the civil rights movement".

I said black culture, not black community. I make a distinction between the two.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

Either one is making a blanket statement about a group of people.

 

[Cormac135]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

It’s not pandering, people agree with him. His discussions serve a purpose when there is racism on here. If you don’t like it that’s fine. Don’t read the posts, but I find it odd people have more of a problem with his posts rather then actual racism on here.

His discussions serve no purpose other than to call out anyone who doesn't buy into his agenda of the black man being the continual victim at the hand of whitey, we all know there are one or two racists on here, but to call out people like Peeonme and Hard-Up is nothing but trolling, and every time he belittles and talks down to people there you are high fiving and egging him on like a mean girl.

 

[gsdx]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

Sorry about that, I tend to forget I'm used to active research - it's probably easier for me to know how to research than it is for someone giving their best effort who, I often forget, may be unused to it.

Thanks for that. I'm pretty good at research, but I have to be aware of something in order to research it. My only 'banjo' connection with Steven Foster is 'O Susanna', which is why I referenced it in my post. However, when you gave me the 'Uncle Ned' cue, I had something to research, which I did. If anything came out of this exchange, it is the fact that I learned something that I didn't know before.

No day is wasted if you learn something new.

 

[peeonme]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

Either one is making a blanket statement about a group of people.

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

Sort of like the title of this thread?

 

[SeaCore]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

I said black culture, not black community. I make a distinction between the two.

In this context what is the distinction? Wouldn't Black culture reflect Black community?

 

[peeonme]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

In this context what is the distinction? Wouldn't Black culture reflect Black community?

Not all blacks go with the flow when it comes to black culture. They don't use Ebonics or reflect what is regarded by some as a black life style.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

Sort of like the title of this thread?

There is a difference between white people are saying something is reverse racism and saying black culture is misogynistic and homophobic. Both of blanket statements but one of them is claiming a “culture” is hateful.

 

[gsdx]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

I'm reminded of school libraries banning Mark Twain's stories because of the racial connotations and language in them. I'm sure many people still see 'Huckleberry Finn' as a racist story because Huck and Jim become friends and go on an adventure together. The same thing is happening with Foster now. Were Twain's stories and Foster's songs considered racist when they were written and composed?

I think it's more important to teach the history of why people talked and wrote the way they did back in the 1800s than to rewrite history and pretend it didn't happen just for the sake of political correctness.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

I'm reminded of school libraries banning Mark Twain's stories because of the racial connotations and language in them. I'm sure many people still see 'Huckleberry Finn' as a racist story because Huck and Jim become friends and go on an adventure together. The same thing is happening with Foster now. Were Twain's stories and Foster's songs considered racist when they were written and composed?

I think it's more important to teach the history of why people talked and wrote the way they did back in the 1800s than to rewrite history and pretend it didn't happen just for the sake of political correctness.

I agree with you about the Mark Twain books, though I never read those stories, I am doubting they have racist intentions at all. So bannin or altering them doesn’t really do any good.

Though I don’t find that to be in the same vein as the statues. I say statues because this isn’t the first instance of this.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: A statue- complete with banjo-pickin slave, honoring a racist songwriter was taken down and white people are calling it reverse racism

Sort of like the title of this thread?

An uncharitable reading considering white people did call it reverse racism. It's a favored concept you can see in the comments section which was also referred to in the original post.

You buggers realize that quite a bit of racist behavior is unconscious, right? Pointing out the behavioral/viewpoint discrepancy is not an attack on how good you try to be as a human being, it's just a matter of course. Shit. Happens. Everyone contributes to that, many a mess both tiny and gargantuan. It's much simpler and healthier in the long run to accept that fact of life and work on it than it is to insist there couldn't possibly be an issue with any view or behavior less than, say, a slur.

Kind've like how misogynistic slurs are pointed to in rap by many a white person but the obvious parallels in other musical genres are rarely recognized for the misogyny they're replicating. It's not brought up because the extent of it not realized. That's not a conscious behavior. But it's still endorsing misogyny by inadvertently promoting ignorance.

Arguing that all (general) you's behavior is above reproach because it may not be as deliberately racist as a slur or a lynching isn't how issues are resolved.

They ain't resolved by pretending that your own possibly nascent guilt that you've been fucking up a bit is really this other person's fault for bringing racism up, either.