Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

The only person I have any concern and pity for is Rick's son. Poor guy must have either suffered from depression/mental illness or was gay and couldn't reconcile his sexual identity with the homophobic garbage his father spouted off.

I couldn't even give .1 % of a fuck for the Guy Fieri of Mega-Churches. It's hard to shed tears for someone who supported both Prop 8 and Uganda's "Kill the gays" bill. I guess Ricky forgot one of the most famous sayings from the Bible: "You reap what you sow".

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

i don't hate rick warren

i don't agree with many of his positions

saying hateful things about the man when his son just committed suicide is pathetic

and hateful

hope that helps

Just because his son died doesn't give Rick a free pass on the asshattery he's done.

Maybe we should take pity on Kim Jong Un because his daddy died?

 

[MisterMajestic]

My Heart & Prayers go out to the Warren Family..I'm not a Parent and I don't know what it must feel like to lose a child...Peace be with them....

Rick Warren was and Probably still is against Gay Marriage and so was every Democratic Politician at one point including Obama....The Democrats didnt come around until yesterday so people need to be careful how they throw stones...

Change takes time and young people that represent the Christian Left are on that path...

 

[scream4ever]

It is a tragedy indeed. I hope that this causes Rick Warren to reflect on the gay youth that kill themselves though.

 

[CowboyBob]

It is a tragedy indeed. I hope that this causes Rick Warren to reflect on the gay youth that kill themselves though.

It won't. People like Warren will twist this tragedy to blame the evil homosexuals.

 

[Mariatenebre]

This is terrible news. Prayers for the Warren family.

Several of my neighbors attend Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback Church, and I've met Pastor Warren once. He is a very sensible, compassionate man.

This man is far from sensible and compassionate. He has worked long against LGBT equality and even has ties to the mess going on in Uganda.

How so? My prayers & thoughts are with the Warren family during this difficult time.

Pastor Rick Warren doesn't support gay marriage but as far as conservative Christians go, he is more tolerant than many other conservative Christians out there.

President Obama liked Pastor Warren enough to visit his church during the 2008 election, and he invited him to give the invocation during his first inauguration.

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Well considering that I am not for Obama supporting this guy either your quote falls on deaf ears. Tell me do you support his work on the situation in Uganda?

 

[JustMe5]

It might make me sound like a horrible person

Gee, ya think? Depression, suicide, and the loss of a child are all horrible things.

 

[rareboy]

It won't. People like Warren will twist this tragedy to blame the evil homosexuals.

Pretty much this.

Since the Rick Warrens of this world think that homosexuality is a mental illness and an affront against their vengeful old testament god, he will probably just mark all of this up to the devil and just move on with an intensified hatred of anything that doesn't conform to his very special understanding of what the iron age gods expect from mankind.

 

[Just_Believe18]

There is much criticism to be had for Rick Warren, but making a thread about his son's suicide as a platform for hating him is morbidly disturbing.

That was a terrible comment, rareboy.

 

[Rolyo85]

You know what? Whatever. I feel sad for the boy and his mother, it's a tragedy and it shouldn't happen. I don't give a flying fuck about Rick Warren's grief. He deserves all the sorrow in the world as far as I am concerned. It's just sad that it took someone else's life to inflict it on him...

 

[Kulindahr]

Warren is one of a horde of professionally publicly-"perfect" preachers who are impossible to live with because they can't let go of their worldview and actually see their family. They have one story about the world, and no room for anything that doesn't fit. Everyone around them has to be forced into the "right" mold, and when those people don't fit, it causes untold suffering for them as the perpetrator insists on dealing with them as they are in his view of things, not as they really are. For family members, it becomes impossible to live with the dissonance, because they can't see themselves as a person because they aren't treated as one. Inevitably, they regard themselves as failures because everyone around thinks the preacher and his pretense are so wonderful... but they don't fit in.

I have little doubt that Warren provided the major impetus to his own son's death. I pray it will lead him to repent and learn to love, but have little hope he will.

 

[chrisrobin]

He is a very sensible, compassionate man.

I have a problem with "Rev." Warren and his sanctioning of homosexual genocide in Uganda. Perhaps you should go there and find out how sensible and compassionate he really is!

 

[Centexfarmer]

I have little doubt that Warren provided the major impetus to his own son's death. I pray it will lead him to repent and learn to love, but have little hope he will.

Me too.

My best friend in High School was one of the biggest "homophobes" that I knew growing up.

It eventually "ended" our friendship.

Years and "high school reunions" later, we're back to being friends but never like we were.

I'm out now, and so is his youngest son.

The only thing that complicates this is that my "homophobic" best friend back in high school, has since "found Jesus."

I don't think that any of us can possible know what's going through Rick Warren's heart and mind, but I'd put my money on he's either dealing with his complicity (if any truly exists) in his contribution to his son taking his own life; through both his thoughts, actions and words, or rabidly in denial that his actions or words had anything at all to do with it at all.

I do know personally, that if my best friend from high school, if his Gay Son killed himself, and he thought for one second that he did or said something that might have contributed to his son's suffering, that he would be not only devastated, but irreconcilable.

So if one is confused about how to deal with the news from the outside, there is scripture already in place for those quick to judge:

Galatians 6:7-8 KJV:

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;

As a Gay Man, who's experienced his fair share of suffering at the hands of so called "Christians" and their interpretation of "Christ's Love," I've chosen to be more "Christ Like" than Christian, and allow that judgement for someone else.

 

[chance1]

it's refreshing that a handful here recognize what is

while others transfer their own hatred and "have no doubt"

some people clearly should have more doubt in their lives

and get out of their bubble

kudos to JB for calling out the bullshit

but it shouldn't be so hard to do

it should be easy

 

[Kulindahr]

All that rareboy did was describe a reaction I have observed in more than one group of "evangelicals" in similar situations. Perhaps you don't think this thread the appropriate place to take note of that truth, but I disagree: truth is especially appropriate when someone has died; there should be no platitudes, only stark reality.

 

[chance1]

Oh once again with the prayers....

If I were Rick Warren's son, I'd kill myself too.

Oh and Jayqueer? The only reason that Warren got on the inauguration podium was to try to placate the rabid, bitter white southern baptists after the election.

I've seen some mention along the way today that someone who claims to have known him said that he was a homo.

All that rareboy did was describe a reaction I have observed in more than one group of "evangelicals" in similar situations. Perhaps you don't think this thread the appropriate place to take note of that truth, but I disagree: truth is especially appropriate when someone has died; there should be no platitudes, only stark reality.

hardly what you described

not at all

 

[Kulindahr]

hardly what you described

not at all

I should have known you'd deliberately "fail" to get it, so:

It won't. People like Warren will twist this tragedy to blame the evil homosexuals.

Pretty much this.

Since the Rick Warrens of this world think that homosexuality is a mental illness and an affront against their vengeful old testament god, he will probably just mark all of this up to the devil and just move on with an intensified hatred of anything that doesn't conform to his very special understanding of what the iron age gods expect from mankind.

 

[rareboy]

^ Quoted for truth.

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Whatever.

I said what I meant and I meant what I said.

If I had had to live a life, particularly as a homo, trapped in an old testament household where I was thought to be more of an abomination of Satan than a true child of God, I would have drunk hemlock years before this.

Of course what I wrote was terrible. Because, as I understand it, what helped lead to this was terrible too.

 

[Telstra]

I don't "feel for the family"
I feel for the dead. He lived such a short life.

 

[rareboy]

^ Exactly.

....and all those grief ladies out there mumbling their 'prayers' for Pastor Warren and the family....do you also say a prayer for each and ever homo kid or young adult who kills themselves because of the self-hatred (and often the hatred of their families and communities) as a result of the ugly and hate filled, and frankly anti-Christian apostasy that Warren stands for?