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Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

Kuli,

You present some very thoughtful observations on this human tragedy.
 
Jack Springer said:
It's funny how some of the same arguments used against Christianity here are the same type of arguments used against gay people on other sites.
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Hilarious ;)

The righteous gays imitating those they hate
 
Kulindahr said:
No. But Congress should use their Art 1 Sec 8 authority over the militia to require safe storage standards, including special requirements for households with mentally ill people judged a potential risk to themselves. The crime here would be something like "negligence of storage standards, leading to loss of innocent life".

Yeah, that's kind of the same as manslaughter. But people aren't going to take their firearms seriously until the responsibility for doing so is made obnoxiously clear.
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Agreed. If I left some ordnance out and accessible to anyone and a unstable person got a hold of it, then proceeded to kill a few hundred people then I would face charges. This is no different to me. Every life is precious.
 
chance1 said:
if you'd like to focus on my pov by all means

but it would help if you got it

i've been clear - but i'll do it again

a young man committed suicide - who the father is is irrelevant

one poster here suggested here that if he were warren's son he'd have committed suicide too
then suggested the son was gay and that's why he did it

other dead hearts focused on warren the dad

the good news is that enough people - not you - focused on what's important - and it's not rick warren here

empathy or sympathy for rick warren ? that's up to you

using this thread as a battering ram ?

thanks but no
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Nice.

I like how you completely skipped past my opening remarks in your response:

centexfarmer said:
Imagine being the friend of someone's son that you had to bury because that friend's family was too caught up in the teachings of Pastor Rick Warren's message to his followers.

Not the message of Christ, or the Bible, but Rick Warren's message of "Christ's Love."

I think that's what a lot of guys who are posting that they're upset about, that or you either don't or choose to get.

Failing to at least acknowledge some of where their hatred for Rick Warren and his message comes from, and the lack of compassion that they're willing to share toward him and the death of his son, might be where you're finding your disconnect here.
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When I was 20 years old, my cousin who was three months older than me, got up one morning and laid out his clothes for work.

Somewhere between doing that, and taking his shower he decided that he wouldn't be going through his normal routine that day.

Instead with the towel still draped around his waist he walked down the hallway of his parents house, found the loaded shotgun in his Dad's closet, returned to his room, laid down on the floor, placed the shot gun against his chest, and with his big toe managed to engage the trigger.

My Cousin was not Gay, and did not have a history of "mental illness."

But his parents were his world.

At that point they literally controlled every aspect of his life, regardless of how successful he had been in making his own life decisions.

I had another Cousin who, after spending years trying to beat addiction, was caught by his youngest son shooting herion into his veins at in his Garage.

While his son went to find his mother, and my Cousin's wife my cousin found an extension cord, tossed it over an exposed beam, wrapped it around his neck and stepped off the dryer.

It didn't kill him right away, but he did manage to snap his neck and put himself into a coma where, as a member of his family decide that the best thing to do was to just pull the plug on him.

Then there's my last boyfriend.

Who's family, once they discovered that their son was in a "Gay Relationship" yanked him away from me and his daughter and sent him to live with his Aunt in Las Vegas, Nevada.

They were the Rick Warren types.

While he was in Las Vegas my boyfriend was introduced to Crystal Meth, where he succeeded in destroying not only his life, but those who loved him.

But in the eyes of his father at least, "Better Dead than Gay."

Using this thread as a "battering ram?"

I'd have to say it's mild in comparison to reality.

Something you seem loath to acknowledge.

and frankly your personalization of my posting with your outrageous music choice offering disqualifies you from making any reasonable case
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I recently left you another offering. :cool:

as does your jekyl and hyde moderator/poster/moderator/poster bit

hope that helps
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Interesting that out of all of the members here that I've personally met face to face, and have become friends with outside of JUB, you're the only one who seems to have found themselves incapable of making the distinction.

But it's clear to you that I don't get it, and to you I'm incoherent in my offerings here.

I'm thankful that I'm not dependent upon you as a friend, or member of my family to determine my own self worth.

Otherwise what would there be to live for?
 
Jack Springer said:
It's funny how some of the same arguments used against Christianity here are the same type of arguments used against gay people on other sites.
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If you're going to make such a bold statement, the least you could do is present some sort of support for it?

(Based on previous situations asking you to back up your arguments, I'm not holding my breath for an explanation anytime soon.)
 
I don't get why he killed himself. Seems that his position really wasn't that bad. I've been through worse and I'm still here. Granted I didn't have a rich father and all the media attention. :P

RIP. Not really into this big conservative homophobic family dispute.

Sorry that the family lost their son. But he's foolish for killing himself due to his position.

It really isn't hard to ex communicate yourself from your family.
 
Rolyo85 said:
I am sorry for my high expectations - I assumed you'd compute that since I'm asking - having obviously already read the thread - it is NOT apparent to me. [additional comments removed by moderator]
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If you can't see the comparison --- you're just as bad as the people you are condemning.
 
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You two need to reread your own posts. You make the son gay -- no proof, you keep using the word hate to describe the actions of Warren -- it's the same thing -- you could as easily post on a hate gay site -- just change the wording.
 
Jack Springer said:
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You two need to reread your own posts. You make the son gay -- no proof, you keep using the word hate to describe the actions of Warren -- it's the same thing -- you could as easily post on a hate gay site -- just change the wording.
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C'mon [Text: Removed].... Answer the question....

Present some sort of support for your post stating: "It's funny how some of the same arguments used against Christianity here are the same type of arguments used against gay people on other sites."

Answer the question [Text: Removed]....
 
He described his son as a "kind, gentle and compassionate man" with a "brilliant intellect" and who was sensitive to the needs of others.

"Kay and I often marveled at his courage to keep moving in spite of his relentless pain. I'll never forget how, many years ago, after another approach had failed to give relief, Matthew said, 'Dad, I know I'm going to heaven. Why can't I just die and end this pain?' but he kept going for another decade."

Clinical depression is very real and all the Medicine in the World can't cure it..What you do is be there for your Loved one always Loving them and telling them how much you Love them. Matthew had access to the Best Doctors & Medicine & he lived to be 27. His suicide will either cause the Warren family to take up a cause or they will grieve in silence for the rest of their lives...

When you're Blessed with Fame & Fortune and lose the gift of a child you should use your Celebrity to help others in the same situation. So I'm gonna wait and see what the Warren Family chooses to do. I know from personal experience that DEATH can turn your ENTIRE family up-side-down and you're never the same again....

Death can be so rough on a family because your heart aches and your Mind plays back memories....I don't see how Parents that lose a child at any age can get out of bed in the morning...If it was my child I would be done and check myself into a facility...I wouldnt be able to cope with that at all....
 
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