Paul Ryan is Mitt Romney's running mate?

[MystikWizard]

In Ryan's budget it does not mention veterans once. He has left out all benefits for veterans just when all those guys are coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan with terrible wounds. Anyone voting for Romney and Ryan are heartless.

Probably true. From what he's been described as, he is "obsessed" with the budget, and is a straight numbers guy. He will articulate a picture how the United States is on the verge of economic collapse by being on the track it is right now. And he will most likely either distort facts or distort the predicted consequences of not going in the path that he and Romney outline for America.

Unfortunately, he appeared to have cast votes for both of the bailouts, before he was against it. So that is a strike against him to Tea Partiers. But one they will quickly overlook.

All the promises of what they will do are great (in their mind) ... but that depends on having a Congress to pass what they propose. I love how when Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates talk about what they'll do, they completely pretend the Legislative Branch doesn't exist.

 

[asianb]

another reason to question the choice of Ryan, with the approval rating of Congress so low why Paul Ryan? He has become the symbol of What doesn't work in Congress?

 

[maxpowr9]

Unfortunately, he appeared to have cast votes for both of the bailouts, before he was against it. So that is a strike against him to Tea Partiers. But one they will quickly overlook.

As I said in another topic, neo-cons are not fiscally conservative unless they want to cut on All fronts. This is why any person who gives a whim doesn't take them seriously.

 

[Sammie13]

Issues aside, I think by the time we look back at this election, the GOP will be alot like Democrats post-election in 1988 who most decided that the man on the bottom of the ticket should have been on the top. Lloyd Bentsen had a natural appeal to people that Dukakis could not summon. I think Ryan, a laid back midwesterner, is just someone whom people feel comfortable. I've seen him on numerous talk shows the last few years and, while I disagree with his budget, I always came away feeling like he articulated it well. He can take numbers and massage them into conversation in a way that Bill Clinton could. He is a pretty good salesman. I have no idea how he is going to be with stump speeches. One-on-one TV chats is completely different from a campaign rally, which is not conducive to detail.

I feel like in a debate with Biden, I give a big edge to Ryan. Biden, at best, was a tie versus Palin.

Still, I think team Obama will be able to turn people off to this budget. It requires alot of sacrifice. His budget ideas make sense. But, just like carrots and broccoli make good health since, I still don't want to eat it. I think the people most impacted by the Medicare plans would be adults 40-55 who stand to lose the most. That's a large voting block that turns out

 

[Sammie13]

It is fucking ridiculous. I pay for my 62 yo mother and 27 yo nephew who has preexisting conditions.... the healthcare law will put thousands back into my pocket and back into the economy.

Jayhawk, you may already know this, but if not I'll mention that under ObamaCare a pre-exisiting condition health plan does exist (and has for about 2 years) that is govt-backed. My mother had a pre- condition and private insurance was over $2000 a month so she was uninsured (dad was medicare eligible when he retired). It was an issue since she fell back in November and it was nearly impossible to find an ortho who would see her without insurance (who turns down cash?). So, an attorney friend told me about this program. Her rate is about $500 a month now and it's pretty solid insur/drug coverage. A week after the Supreme Crt decison, United Ins took over her program. This might help with your nephew (and mom if she has a pre-exiting issue).

This has truly been one of the best aspects of ObamaCare that, unless someone like you and I are in this situation, one can't really appreciate.

http://www.healthcare.gov/news/factsheets/2010/11/new-plan-options-2011.html

 

[JayHawk]

No i know that Sammie. You can ask long time posters here. I have been for the longest time a very conservative person. However recent life events pushed to the forefront the unfair nature of our health system. Then the republicans held our country and our people hostage for their own political gains. They have refused to make legislation to help Americans because it takes away from their rhetoric that Obama is what is wrong with this country. Obama may not be the best leader imagined but he is light years ahead of any republican. The final year where republicans do everything under their power to hurt AMericans including voter disenfranchisement and not supporting a farm bill during a drought means they are IMHO treasonous bastards that need to be flushed from the American political system like the turds they are.

hopefully once all the lunatics are thouroughly removed from office we can have a renewed republican party that actually supports equals right under the rubric of government non intervention, perhaps they can act upon their own designed plans for healthcare and make a system that is as worthwhile and advanced as landing a rover on a spot on mars with relative ease.

No right now the republicans are anything and everything but the answer to any problem big or small.

 

[Ninja108]

As Jayhawk pointed out,the goal of the Republician party is to ensure Obama is a one term president. And if that means seeing the country go to hell to accomplish that,so be it.

 

[Sammie13]

No i know that Sammie. You can ask long time posters here. I have been for the longest time a very conservative person. However recent life events pushed to the forefront the unfair nature of our health system. Then the republicans held our country and our people hostage for their own political gains. They have refused to make legislation to help Americans because it takes away from their rhetoric that Obama is what is wrong with this country. Obama may not be the best leader imagined but he is light years ahead of any republican. The final year where republicans do everything under their power to hurt AMericans including voter disenfranchisement and not supporting a farm bill during a drought means they are IMHO treasonous bastards that need to be flushed from the American political system like the turds they are.

hopefully once all the lunatics are thouroughly removed from office we can have a renewed republican party that actually supports equals right under the rubric of government non intervention, perhaps they can act upon their own designed plans for healthcare and make a system that is as worthwhile and advanced as landing a rover on a spot on mars with relative ease.

No right now the republicans are anything and everything but the answer to any problem big or small.

I concur with you. I'm a fiscal conservative to some degree. I belive in accountabillty and reforms to welfare, etc. I know there are abuses. But, I also acknowledge we have social programs that are needed . My righty friends like to think black and white...that everybody is ripping off these programs. That's absurd. And I've seen the insurance challenges up close and it stinks. I always hear that stat, which is true, that 70%ish of Americans like their health insurance. That's right -- only because at any given time only 30%are having to USE their insurance. You often don't know how broken or damaged something is until you need it. Most people don't grasp how expensive insurance is when they are gainfully employed with insurance benefits. And how quickly your insurance company will boot you when you start making claims or if you get another year older. Private insurance doesn't want a 60 year olds business. So, if Medicare goes private, why would they want a 70 year olds business? And it's a losing proposition for the insurance company, if I'm Blue Cross, I'm not going to make any money off of a 70 year old customer.

I'd love to see both parties scrapped but it will never happen. They are so out of tune with the people. They make us pick between extreme-left and extreme-right. I always say most answers lie in the middle but the parties' control is on the extreme edges.

 

[JayQueer]

I concur with you. I'm a fiscal conservative to some degree. I belive in accountabillty and reforms to welfare, etc. I know there are abuses. But, I also acknowledge we have social programs that are needed . My righty friends like to think black and white...that everybody is ripping off these programs. That's absurd. And I've seen the insurance challenges up close and it stinks. I always hear that stat, which is true, that 70%ish of Americans like their health insurance. That's right -- only because at any given time only 30%are having to USE their insurance. You often don't know how broken or damaged something is until you need it. Most people don't grasp how expensive insurance is when they are gainfully employed with insurance benefits. And how quickly your insurance company will boot you when you start making claims or if you get another year older. Private insurance doesn't want a 60 year olds business. So, if Medicare goes private, why would they want a 70 year olds business? And it's a losing proposition for the insurance company, if I'm Blue Cross, I'm not going to make any money off of a 70 year old customer.

I'd love to see both parties scrapped but it will never happen. They are so out of tune with the people. They make us pick between extreme-left and extreme-right. I always say most answers lie in the middle but the parties' control is on the extreme edges.

OMG. I totally agree!!

Team Sammie!!!

 

[Sammie13]

Romney/Ryan. Love this quote: "As Barry Switzer, former head coach at Oklahoma, once said, "Both of these guys were born on third base, and acted like they hit a triple"

Good read by Paul Begala about Ryan: Paul Begala on How With Ryan, Romney Has the Plutocrat Ticket - The Daily Beast

 

[portchar1908]

enjoy the day, it soon will pass, and we'll be scratching and saying "paul ryan who". I hope President Obama's team sent Romney a thank you card today.

 

[MisterMajestic]

Paul's roll-out speech was better than Romney's and we'll see if he adds any meat or if he'll simply stick to Trashing Barry to bits as only a Veep can do....Paul has a beautiful family and they should have been on stage along with the Romneys the entire time......

Paul doesnt care if he loses the election...he' so THANKFUL for being Crowned.....It's all about becoming a Political Rock Star...Paul was amazed @ how Barack Obama became an over-night sensation @ the 2004 Democratic Convention and even more amazed @ Sarah Palin's crowning @ the 2008 Republican convention..He knows if the 2012 ticket wins the race then HE wins..If the ticket loses the race then HE still wins...

Paul can wear his Crown for the rest of his Political career if he plays his cards right...If he has any Common-sense he should put it to good use and remember the 3 specific course-notes from Palin 101....

1. Bash Obama all the time and everywhere. Embrace his haters..

2. Tell your base EVERYTHING they wanna hear. You are the Piper they are your Rats.

3. if the campaign really looks bad by October just Say and do your own Fucking thing and the base will LOVE you for it..The Republicans don't like Romney they simply hate Barry more....Mitt doesnt really wanna be President, he's ONLY pleasing Ann...

 

[chance1]

Issues aside, I think by the time we look back at this election, the GOP will be alot like Democrats post-election in 1988 who most decided that the man on the bottom of the ticket should have been on the top. Lloyd Bentsen had a natural appeal to people that Dukakis could not summon. I think Ryan, a laid back midwesterner, is just someone whom people feel comfortable. I've seen him on numerous talk shows the last few years and, while I disagree with his budget, I always came away feeling like he articulated it well. He can take numbers and massage them into conversation in a way that Bill Clinton could. He is a pretty good salesman. I have no idea how he is going to be with stump speeches. One-on-one TV chats is completely different from a campaign rally, which is not conducive to detail.

I feel like in a debate with Biden, I give a big edge to Ryan. Biden, at best, was a tie versus Palin.

Still, I think team Obama will be able to turn people off to this budget. It requires alot of sacrifice. His budget ideas make sense. But, just like carrots and broccoli make good health since, I still don't want to eat it. I think the people most impacted by the Medicare plans would be adults 40-55 who stand to lose the most. That's a large voting block that turns out

wonderful post - dead on

Ryan has a lot of Clinton in him - he relates on TV - ironically enough listening to POTUS, the story goes that he's an introvert and when on Fox a while back with Chris Wallace - they brought him a birthday cake (it was his birthday) - he wouldn't eat any - "i don't eat sweets" he says

it appears he might have some "odd duck" in him - the POTUS lady then said "imagine Ryan going from town to town being inundated with local foods none of which are likely healthy - and him eating with a frown or not eating at all - LOL

Ryan is a fitness freak - supposedly jacked - but eschews unhealthy fare

hmmmmm

i digress

my gut is his appeal will not withstand the demagoguery of pushing old folks off a cliff

which will be (it's already started) the left narrative

but great post sammie

 

[chance1]

Romney/Ryan. Love this quote: "As Barry Switzer, former head coach at Oklahoma, once said, "Both of these guys were born on third base, and acted like they hit a triple"

Good read by Paul Begala about Ryan: Paul Begala on How With Ryan, Romney Has the Plutocrat Ticket - The Daily Beast

awww - and u were doing so well Begala is a mess - Anderson Cooper filleted him a week back on the Joe Soptic piece as Paul couldn't help but defend the indefensible

as for Ryan having no experience, did Obama?

Begala is as disingenuous as they come - and is a walking talking talking points plugged in 24/7

and no one takes him seriously

 

[CowboyBob]

Ryan is not a complement to Mitt Romney. He's an injection of energy, like Sarah Palin was for John McCain or Jack Kemp was for Bob Dole. Conservatives are thrilled but for all the wrong reasons.

 

[JayHawk]

Paul's roll-out speech was better than Romney's and we'll see if he adds any meat or if he'll simply stick to Trashing Barry to bits as only a Veep can do....Paul has a beautiful family and they should have been on stage along with the Romneys the entire time......

Paul doesnt care if he loses the election...he' so THANKFUL for being Crowned.....It's all about becoming a Political Rock Star...Paul was amazed @ how Barack Obama became an over-night sensation @ the 2004 Democratic Convention and even more amazed @ Sarah Palin's crowning @ the 2008 Republican convention..He knows if the 2012 ticket wins the race then HE wins..If the ticket loses the race then HE still wins...

Paul can wear his Crown for the rest of his Political career if he plays his cards right...If he has any Common-sense he should put it to good use and remember the 3 specific course-notes from Palin 101....

1. Bash Obama all the time and everywhere. Embrace his haters..

2. Tell your base EVERYTHING they wanna hear. You are the Piper they are your Rats.

3. if the campaign really looks bad by October just Say and do your own Fucking thing and the base will LOVE you for it..The Republicans don't like Romney they simply hate Barry more....Mitt doesnt really wanna be President, he's ONLY pleasing Ann...

That is dead on and Ryan actually could use some of the political Capitol bestowed by such an outcome. Unlike Palin who simply quit her term before it was over because glam was better than working.

 

[chance1]

You'd think the ops would combine all the Paul Ryan stuff but they're taking their queue from Stephanie Cutter - better to have more threads with more "points of view" - LOL

Paul Ryan talks about what motivates him

he wanted to be an economist
he wants to make a difference
worked for Jack Kemp - his mentor - and Bill Bennett
lost his dad at a young age - time is of the essence
he's a policy wonk - he should get together with Chris Hayes
doesn't want broken systems (entitlements) to go unfixed
believes in smaller govt.
promise of equal oppty, - not equal outcomes - I like that

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[maxpowr9]

You'd think the ops would combine all the Paul Ryan stuff but they're taking their queue from Stephanie Cutter - better to have more threads with more "points of view" - LOL

Paul Ryan talks about what motivates him
believes in smaller govt.

LOL what? If that were the case, he wouldn't have voted for TARP. Again, talking heads can't do any research and just spew the first thought that enters their mind.

This is the typical neo-con mindset of "do as I say, not as I do." I looked at what he did [voting record in congress] and it reaffirms the previous sentence.

 

[Sammie13]

You'd think the ops would combine all the Paul Ryan stuff but they're taking their queue from Stephanie Cutter - better to have more threads with more "points of view" - LOL

Paul Ryan talks about what motivates him

he wanted to be an economist
he wants to make a difference
worked for Jack Kemp - his mentor - and Bill Bennett
lost his dad at a young age - time is of the essence
he's a policy wonk - he should get together with Chris Hayes
doesn't want broken systems (entitlements) to go unfixed
believes in smaller govt.
promise of equal oppty, - not equal outcomes - I like that

I'll respond to several of your posts in one. First, glad you liked my summary of Ryan and his impact. Isn't it nice that you and I can disagree on whom we're supporting, and not have to retort to the name calling that goes on around here? We can agree while disagreeing. Not typically the ways of this forum.

I'm not sure that what you're calling the left narrative is indeed a falsehood. Everything I've seen indicates his Medicare "re-tooling" is not a good thing for the pocketbooks (albeit to a smaller degree) of the current Medicare population and perhaps the next decade's Medicare population, but for the people under 55, it will be a big economic burden. For me, yeah I like the notion of doing the right thing for my country, but I'm just honest in saying I don't want to be the first wave to foot the bill. In less than 20 years, I can not imagine how much healthcare will cost for the elderly, but I would hate to know that it would eat all of the savings and SS I would have. People count on Medicare. I expect it to be there when I hit 65 (and, by the way, I do not endorse Ryan's drive to raise retirement to 70). He's got alot of explaining to do if he's going to win over people with this plan. If I was Obama, I would not just focus on the older population; this is an issue that if explained properly would not fly with most middle age people. I think Ryan should have targeted this plan with adults starting with 18 to 25 year olds. Role them into the next generation of Medicare at the beginning of their adult life so that you're not changing the rules in mid-life.

As for Ryan's 'motivations', I saw some of that on TV today. He is a good guy, and I'll take him at his word. He seems very sincere. I even liked Kemp and Bennett (despite strong disagreements at times with Bennett...but I like a political wordsmith and that he is...much like Pat Buchanon whom I always enjoy listening) as his mentors. This whole GOP fixation on smaller govt...sometimes I think that horse has long since left the barn. For examaple, Americans want Medicare. It is and will continuely to be very expensive...maybe govt should just accept that this is an entitlement that people simply expect...and deal with it. I think govt needs to prioritize and do the things that are most important very well rather than try to do too many things half-ass.

Btw, I like Begala. He puts campaignology in an easy to understand langauge and is a great strategists. Yeah, he's partisan big-time. But, I also have always found him quite intelligent when he puts on the 'hat' of the other sides' strategist. He does often give credit where it's due in regards to strategy (not policy).

 

[CowboyBob]

The Ryan Ball Lickers Club RBLC are shooting their loads all over this man

The RBLC doesn't set their standards very high if they think he's "awesome"

Not even the catholic church likes Eddie or Herman

The only hope the RBLC has is if their voter suppression tactics work

but it wont