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president Obama and transgender bathroom controversy

Benvolio said:
The Constitution does not give the Federal government, much less the President, to regulate toilets, dressing rooms, and showers. As always, I am concerned by our march toward a one party totalitarian state in which everything is controlled by the government. I am concerned with diminishing democracy, as every decision is made at the top. The attempt to distort the toilet discrimination is nonsense, unless the boys rooms and girls rooms are substantially different. I am concerned that the rights and wishes of the majority are always subordinated the wishes of the minorities, no matter how small. This controversy is because the transgender people are not comfortable unless dressing etc with the opposite sex, who intern are not comfortable with the trans people. But to the dictator, only the wishes of the tiny, tiny, minority should be considered.
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Tyranny of the majority eh?

What absolute codswallop. You think that Republicans, at any level of government, should never have their power tempered.
You want a totalitarian GOP state, without any checks and balances.

All this talk about dictators would wash, however it rings hollow and laughably false when one level of government is telling a lower level to stop harming its citizens.

Oh, and the changing room thing is moot when it comes to toilets and banning coed bathrooms, which you're painfully unable to answer to. Idiocy.
 
^Noteworthy knowing that a mature, and civilised society should protect its weakest from abuse by the majority.
 
An educational article that struck my interest published in an English language newspaper on the island of Cyprus. Despite many conversations with transgender persons, over a drink in a gay bar, I have never discussed the trials that a transgender person suffers day, to day. This piece was informative, and enabled me to appreciate...just a little....that human life can appear to be, what it is not.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/05/22/transgender-cyprus-former-prisoner-remembers/

I quote:

My prison was my body. A body that everyone thought meant I must be female, but which was, in fact, an elaborate place of punishment that fate or biology had imposed upon me. My prison went everywhere with me. It was invisible to everyone else, but me. In my heart and in my mind, I was, and have always been, male, but no one then could guess the truth about my identity, although it’s safe to assume people thought me gay, given my masculine body language and the way I dressed.
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kallipolis said:
^Noteworthy knowing that a mature, and civilised society should protect its weakest from abuse by the majority.
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What abuse? Women don't want men lurking in their bathrooms, locker rooms and showers. And you think the men are being abused if the women don't want them?
 
Kabluey said:
Tyranny of the majority eh?

What absolute codswallop. You think that Republicans, at any level of government, should never have their power tempered.
You want a totalitarian GOP state, without any checks and balances.

All this talk about dictators would wash, however it rings hollow and laughably false when one level of government is telling a lower level to stop harming its citizens.

Oh, and the changing room thing is moot when it comes to toilets and banning coed bathrooms, which you're painfully unable to answer to. Idiocy.
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Who is harming whom? Your dismissal of democracy and embrace of one many rule totally confirms my worst fears for America.
 
kallipolis said:
Are you a women, speaking for all women?
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Ben is noticeably recalcitrant when asked about his or her identity.
It's quite possible that he is in actuality a she. Who knows.
It is unusual though that Ben never talks about the male perspective from the first person, and seems hung up on women as victims.
Could it be... hypocrisy from an online transvestite?

Regardless, Ben's idea that any one level of government should be able institute laws that restrict the right for people to do things they previously did without harm is bizarre. And the justifications and arguments he's used are weak, the usual Republican talking points of freedom and taxes don't even fit this issue.
 
No, Ben is a classic white male right winger who, like all the lawmakers involved in this mess, always profess to know what is best for women and what women really want or need.

But as has been pointed out, Benvolio is all for a repressive state where conservatives enact legislation that suits his world view but screaming about government interference when it doesn't.

Since a number of legislators in this case didn't even know all that they were voting on in this trojan horse legislation....it is absurd to say the the bill even represented the will of the people even at the state level.

Benvolio will keep dancing around and around on this issue asking us to think of the poor women and children...but the real complaint is always about States rights and at the heart of that is his hatred of the black man in the white house...who he thinks is trying to destroy white values and the white nation.

Oddly enough...over on Stormfront....it seems that most people think that people should be able to use the bathroom they are most comfortable with.....I actually thought that they'd be losing their shit over the possibility of some non-white perv being after the white women.

Of course there are those who think like Benvolio and it is a good to be reminded that they are out there.

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1158594/
 
Benvolio said:
What abuse? Women don't want men lurking in their bathrooms, locker rooms and showers. And you think the men are being abused if the women don't want them?
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Abuse like how there was no controversy around this issue until your political party found it convenient to make one, and now there are rednecks barring or beating people for attempting to use public restrooms.
 
xbuzzerx said:
Abuse like how there was no controversy around this issue until your political party found it convenient to make one, and now there are rednecks barring or beating people for attempting to use public restrooms.
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No for generations we have had indoor plumbing, with men's rooms for men and women's room for women. No problem. But then, Czar Hussein decided to issue an imperial decree allowing men to use the womens rooms and women the mens.
 
You are wrong.

America isn't that long away from the time when everyone used a privy in the backyard and men and women often shared the same facility. In fact it was probably well into the mid-twentieth century before everyone had indoor plumbing in the US. And it was well beyond that before the US no longer had toilets for Whites only and for 'Coloureds'. So don't lecture us on America's toilet habits.

Again. he only reason you are hung up on this is nakedly clear from the language you use.

Your hatred of 'Czar' 'Hussein' isn't even a dog whistle call. It is exactly the same language that they use on Stormfront.

This is how we see right through you. This is only about your irrational rabid Obamahate. Nothing more. Nothing less.

And your refusal to acknowledge that the citation that I posted that made it crystal clear that the guidance memo sent out by the DOJ and the DOE does not have the force of law...makes it equally clear that you are part of the claque that is only using this whole thing as a cudgel to beat the bad black man who has dared to say that there is no room for prejudice in US schools.

There is no punishment for not following the guidance memo. No one will be arrested or go to jail.

The DOE has just clarified the terms of the agreement they have with recipients of federal funding....and if some states think that making up laws to proscribe where people can piss is good for their state...they should have no issue with giving up dollars from a federal department that they all profess to hate so much anyway.
 
The DOJ has filed a suit to force the state to obey.
 
Very importantly: The University of North Carolina is defying the Governor of North Carolina.

Also, a major player in North Carolina -- the state's public university system -- defied the governor and legislature and told the Justice Department on Monday it intends to act "in compliance with federal law" as it relates to House Bill 2, known as HB2.

The Justice Department seeks declaratory relief and threatens to curtail federal funding to the North Carolina Department of Public Safety and the University of North Carolina.

With hundreds of millions of dollars in funding at stake, UNC System President Margaret Spellings said longstanding policy prohibits university personnel from discriminating on the basis of, among other things, gender identity, sex, or sexual orientation.
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This is perfect demonstration that if there was any government over-reach...it was the State government of North Carolina.

Without consultation or respect for institutions like the university, the legislature moved to curtail rights that transgender people already had.

"It was not so very long ago that states, including North Carolina, had other signs above restrooms, water fountains, and on public accommodations, keeping people out based on a distinction without a difference. We've moved beyond those dark days," Lynch said.
 
Kabluey said:
Ben is noticeably recalcitrant when asked about his or her identity.
It's quite possible that he is in actuality a she. Who knows.
It is unusual though that Ben never talks about the male perspective from the first person, and seems hung up on women as victims.
Could it be... hypocrisy from an online transvestite?

Regardless, Ben's idea that any one level of government should be able institute laws that restrict the right for people to do things they previously did without harm is bizarre. And the justifications and arguments he's used are weak, the usual Republican talking points of freedom and taxes don't even fit this issue.
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I always suspected that Ben was here because the Pastor of some right wing megachurch told her to go scourge the homos!

See, I always pictured Ben in a ratty trailer-park somewhere in Arkansas, curlers in her brassy lank hair, ketchup on her faded pink house-robe, sitting at the table in the musty kitchen. Typing away on an old laptop she got at the pawn shop. Cigarette hanging out one side of her puckered mouth - becoming one long ash, while she sips on cheap gin from a chipped coffee mug.
 
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